Why won't God heal amputees?

reply to post by zerbot565


the point is still: God created us - and then its up to ourselves how we want to evolve -
He does not watch each and every human, wanting to please them....

There are natural rules that happens so that God dont have to watch each and every one of us.

Its called Karma

[edit on 25-11-2009 by AUM68]

Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by oliveoil

 

I think one of the major problems is the human chronology-view of time... They view their time on this earth as "IT", the clock ticking away and almost every moment is filled with pain and disappointment, however in the view of ETERNITY, this three score and ten in terms of human years is NOTHING and a vapour compared to the REALITY that is to come. What you have to ask yourself is that even though this life is hard, it is still temporary and does not even registar in eternity.....

Looking back will only bring pain, but looking forward to the reality of eternity brings hope after hope after hope, and reminds us that we can live that now by not letting the temporal humanistic troubles of the now affect the rest of our temporal lives, because in the view of eternity, those things may as well of never existed and their importance? Nothing..

[edit on 123030p://f30Wednesday by Selahobed]

Okay, This is great advise. Thank you.

reply to post by AUM68


que ?

is this a psedu new age pop culturistic view on christianity ?

i was under the notion that the christian god was all seeing and all knowing and for all i know god didnt create me , my mom and dad had sex and im the result of human labour.

yeah, perhaps you are right - but its common known that the texts in the bible not was written while Jesus was wandering around, teaching.
So taking the bible litteraly is plain insane.

watching the question - I see no point in anser why God wont heal an amputee, because it is insane calling christianity the one and only religion - having patent on God.

God is universal in all time, so we also have to see what other earlier religions have to say about God.

You call it new age ? - I call it simple minded to argue about God from a christian issue - thats why you guys cant find the facts and keep on stumbling.

So I ask again - what proof did you have in mind ?

reply to post by one_man24

Does God answer selfish prayers? The Apostle Paul prayed for God to remove a physical infirmity he described as a "thorn in the flesh". God said No, for My grace is sufficient for you.

Aw fro goodness sake< can't you see this is just a BS excuse for -

A) jesus lying

B) Not believing

C Jesus is imaginary


Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

I now await patiently for the pounders to reply that the words of the guy in the sky are not to be taken at face value and have some sort of strange meaning.

So jesus broke his promise to paul well there you go , who wants to trust a dude like that ?

Which God are you referring to? The one that came down from the sky, and interbreeded with man? Or the the master creator of the universe?
I would say the master creator has bigger things on its mind... as for the god that came to Earth long ago and created us... Maybe that god is waiting or us to stop blowing each others arms and legs off???

I'm sorry but the whole religion topic is rediculous. Religion is worse than any drug. It robs people (often at childhood) of a natural spiritual connection to all things, and replaces it with a divisive man-made, brain stunting, spiritual-retarding control scheme. And it becomes dangerously addictive... you take away a person's religion, they will pick up a gun and kill you. Forget Jesus's teachings of love thy enemy, they will kill you if you mess with their religion fix.

Religion creates followers on different teams, who despite supposedly believing in love, somehow are manipulated into killing other people in the name of their God. Look at all these soldiers signing up for military service... I'll bet a great majority are "good christian boys"... already conditioned for control and to not think for themselves. It's the most retarded thing on the planet.

Worship? What the hell kind of insecure narcissistic douche-being needs worship? In fact, you show me a gold plated cathedral with rows of people bowing their heads in submission and worship with a man standing in front wearing robes and a depiction of a dying bloody man on a crucifix overhead... and that sounds like crazy cult stuff... The absolute retardation of the world.

And that's why I think religion is pretty much the most awful thing on the planet... and I wish I could live on a planet without any religion... so people could just call the good stuff love, peace and respect... and not get tied up by man-made control books.

I think it's up to people to heal amputees.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


.... But thats not religion !

Thats men in power calling it religion !

I count only 5 religious men in the world...

Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc, etc... these are religions. If you go to one of those cult houses and do the chants, and pay the money, and perform the rituals.... that's the religious experience.... If your definition of spirituality and love has labels like God and Jesus tied to them... you've just been had.

We are all spiritual beings. People, animals, all of it. Any other labels are just red team, blue team, fight fight fight.

I'd be curious to know the names of the 5 men you mentioned. I would consider Jesus a spiritually enlightened man, more than a religious man.... but then people could certainly make an argument the other way.

I just think a little wisdom and love and respect is all we need.... and the realization of that is enlightenment.... but people will never give up their drug of choice so don't you think we're all pretty much screwed regardless?


[edit on 25-11-2009 by spiritualzombie]

I forgot to add to add that the Bible states that God left us to our own misery until judgement day.

reply to post by AUM68


Proof is tangible evidence, something that can be verified, examined, etc. There is no way for me to verify your claim that someone learned the english language and gave a speech while on an airplane. The only thing I have to go by is your claim that it happened, or if I had such a thing, a predisposition to believe miracles like this occur.

As for your sun analogy, I get it, it's the same thing Jesus tried to teach his disciples and those around him, but many times in the bible it clearly states what purpose miracles serve, and this is what many people in this thread are failing to address.

There are a couple of basic problems with your "test"....

1) It's not about how many people pray, it's about faith... do those praying AND the one prayed for actually believe it will happen? And it's not about God's ability, He made it clear that it's about our faith.

2) Mark 11:24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

Amputation is a "big" thing to humans, I would venture to say that you would have a VERY hard time finding even a few people on the earth that could actually belive it will happen, much less millions. If you don't REALLY believe it will happen, it won't.

I would rather have 2 people that have real faith pray for me than millions that can't even muster up the faith to believe God to get healed from the sniffles.... It seems to me sometimes that the unbelief of some that pray overbalances the faith of others...

3) God is not a vending machine, we are not to test Him either...could go on & on about that...

4) And of course there is the whole pure heart issue, have those praying really forgiven others & hold no grudges? Do they really know God or is this a "hail Mary" prayer? Have they developed faith at all? (i.e. have they ever prayed for healing from something that is a bit easier for us humans to belive and got it?)

Faith is like lifting weights... you don't have the 98 pund weakling sit down & bench 200# on his first try. First you have him start with a 80# weight, then 90# and so on. Eventually he will bench 200#, but not on his first try, he has to build up some muscle first.

Faith is believing in something with the entirety of your being without ever having any proof. It means never questioning. In any other field this is considered closed-mindedness.

reply to post by oliveoil


With your i see you have a problem with that concept... Let me know what your problem is and iw ill gladly expand on it...

reply to post by AUM68


proof would be established firstly throu recognition of which christian god christians talk about , the one who gave 10 commandments to live by or the one who wants you to stone disobidient children, because thous two cant be the same ...

after we ve established who they belive in one can continue to argue over why that god wont heal amputees.

to me its pretty clear that most christians today have realy no connection to christianity what so ever.

what people belive in is psedo pop culture views on what christianity should be / is and has very little to do with what the god/s in the bible speaks about.

to belive in a god has nothing to do with christianity , it just puts you in the theist compartment of people, you just recognize that there is "a god".

now if you still insist that you are a christian and belive in the christian god then i have to ask you when was the last time you stoned a disobidient child or a homosexual person , cause if you havent then youve broken god law and your a bad christian ,

so then the question arises are 99.99% of all christians non practising christians and just submersive (the one who bends over in s/m games) towards an authoritarian figure just for lack of better things to do?

or do they have proof that beliving in god makes your life better
and with that i mean that god acturly answers your prayers and not you stopping drinking or quit smoking or doing drugs that leads to a better life cause thats not gods work its your own and has nothing to do with god.

then one gets back to the point why god/s wont heal amputees...


on a side not when people speak about atheist or "god haters" they use the wrong term , its contra theist or anti theist.

reply to post by moocowman


Who was Jesus speaking to when He said that? The disciples or people in general? Did you look up the greek text to see if the translation had been buggered? Do you even know what He means when He says "faith like a mustard seed"? A mustard seed may start out small, as the OP states, but it eventually grows into a great, and very large, tree. Could be that He is saying that we should have faith in God's power because He has the ultimate strength? I don't see anything in there where Jesus tells them that whatever they want to happen will happen. I am pretty sure He always takes the stance of "Not my will, but your will be done" (to the Father)

reply to post by moocowman


Also, by your line of thinking, me asking God for a million dollars, a house on the beach, women, fame, power, etc...... All these things should be granted to me, because I believe unquestionably so. But you know what? I have never asked for any of those things. Not because I don't want them, but because I know it's wrong and selfish. If I did ask for them, I don't think they would be granted, nor would I be praying for the right reasons. Instead I pray for forgivness for my wrongdoings, for Him to comfort the suffering, to help the starving, the hurting, to be with me in all things, and also the strength to soldier on in my faith while I am beset by doubt and trouble on all sides, and last but not least, I pray that He knows I don't expect Him to bend to my will, but to know that I will gladly bend to His. Basically, I pray that He will be my God and I will be His people. It doesn't come with a promise of a great earthly life, but with something much better. The promise of a perfect spiritual life for the rest of eternity, and rest from my burderns in the end. I look forward to it very much, and I hope to see you all there one day.

Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by oliveoil

 

With your

i see you have a problem with that concept... Let me know what your problem is and iw ill gladly expand on it...

I don't have a problem However, I am totally in the dark as to why you are explaining it to me. Please do expand.

Originally posted by one_man24
reply to post by moocowman

 

Also, by your line of thinking, me asking God for a million dollars, a house on the beach, women, fame, power, etc...... All these things should be granted to me, because I believe unquestionably so. But you know what? I have never asked for any of those things. Not because I don't want them, but because I know it's wrong and selfish. If I did ask for them, I don't think they would be granted, nor would I be praying for the right reasons.

And therefore you would not get what you asked for because, knowing it was selfish, you could not really belive you would recieve it. To REALLY belive something is not just an a consious level, it is too easy to say that a person really believed they would recieve something they asked for, but they really justare trying to belive mentally but have doubts in their mind or at least sub-consious. If you really belive something you know it as sure as you know that you can lift a 10# bag of flour, but you might have doubts that you could lift 100# bag...

God simply doesn't exist .
Ever thought of that ?
" Never underestimate the ability of mankind to kneel before godly miracles" (P.K.Dick.)

Originally posted by zerbot565
reply to post by AUM68

 

...or do they have proof that beliving in god makes your life better
and with that i mean that god acturly answers your prayers and not you stopping drinking or quit smoking or doing drugs that leads to a better life cause thats not gods work its your own and has nothing to do with god.

then one gets back to the point why god/s wont heal amputees...


on a side not when people speak about atheist or "god haters" they use the wrong term , its contra theist or anti theist.

Still: who says that when you are a true beliver (those 5 in the world) that God will heal you, where do you get it, that God will heal you ?
a lot of religions talk about the same God, so what about investigate
e a little on what all theese religions have to say about miracles and what they have in common (my point on, that every religion has its time)