Why won't God heal amputees?

Originally posted by BrawleR
reply to post by oliveoil

 

Lol well put! Within me is me. I'm responsible for my actions, and my well being. As bad as it sounds, I feel a lot of people use religion as a crutch in life. When my father passed when I was 12, I didn't blame anybody. I didn't pray. I have memories of him, knew that he was a great man, but I didn't go on a deep religious search trying to find the meaning why he died. It's the way of life. You're born, you live, you die. Sometimes it's taken from you early, but hey, nothing happens by coincidence right?

Right on,
Ive had some pretty bad luck myself. And like I said before,The natural flow of life is through God. Good luck and bad luck.

I don't know who coined this saying, but it is sure true.
The unexamined life is not worth living

(Socrates)

[edit on 25-11-2009 by oliveoil]

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by av8r007

 

Typical. Tell ya what- lose your family, The woman you love to someone else, your money, and all your goals, be homeless a few times, have a few fun physical injuries that ruin your ability to have a normal life, get your family to beat and abuse you for the first half of your life, lose control of EVERY. SINGLE. Choice made- everything you do comes out wrong- and knowing you're intelligent enough to do the right thing and it still goes to hell on a rocket sled- and get back to me. Be a man. take even HALF of what I've been thru. K? Oh, and don't resort to drugs, alcoholism.... I didn't, and you cant, either.

Yeah ok. Don't be angry about your circumstances CHANGE IT. As for the woman you love leaving you that is SELFISH of her. There are so many women in this world. Don't fall because one doesn't see the good in you and leaves. Find one that will appreciate you. There are too many women in this world that don't have this value anymore and it is a product of our time. Good on you for not falling into addiction. Even if you used drugs as long as it doesn't interfere with your life it is not bad. Responsibility and accountability is key.

Surely if you can't work on your back anymore you can work on your mind. You are intelligent. If you don't have an education, get one. There must be something in this world you are capable and extremely competent at. God will help you if you ask.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

Why do you care what people think of you?

I've been told so much crap so much of the time, I actually couldn't help but listen. At least it was a long, long trip down the pike.

Do you even know what God thinks of you?

Honestly? After all I have been thru- not to mention more abuse than a whole crateload of Timex watches? I'm pretty well God thinks of me: just like a little kid who plays with toys- once they break, into the trash they go, riddled with BB holes, dirt in the joints, and that spot where the dog's chewed the leg a bit.

Quick example: I got something to work last night. I mean REALLY work. I was so happy- I thanked God. 3 hours later- I had something similar break, and break HARD. To the point I couldn't fix it at all. This happens on a regular basis. I get punished no matter what I do, apparently.

Wow this thread is incredible. For all of the bible pushers... pushing your agenda that the bible is real/god/jesus whatever. The burden of PROOF is on you all. No one in this entire thread has proved the idea that the bible is real, that god/jesus are real. Until that time... they do not exist, meerly a fantasy to have closed minded people a coping mechanism to realize that we as humans on this planet are truly insignificant compared to the universe. Our universe is unimaginably large... we are smaller than ants on an ant hill. When everyone realizes that you can go on in life without having to resort to a "religion" to have a life I think the world may take a turning point in our journey as a species on this planet.

reply to post by av8r007

Don't be angry about your circumstances CHANGE IT.

Whaddya think I been doing? Playing poker and smoking cheap cigars? Reread the 'every choice made is a bad choice' part. Means if I turn left, I get a pie in the face, turn right, pie... up, down, back forth- nothing I do makes a difference. After a while- you DO give up, because it's the only option that fits the mess properly.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by wylekat]

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Ok, so this is 5 posts now with this challenge, guess i'll have to start a thread asking this question to see if I can get a response, gotta admit ATS you dissapoint me with this one

Originally posted by wylekat
reply to post by av8r007

 

Typical. Tell ya what- lose your family, The woman you love to someone else, your money, and all your goals, be homeless a few times, have a few fun physical injuries that ruin your ability to have a normal life, get your family to beat and abuse you for the first half of your life, lose control of EVERY. SINGLE. Choice made- everything you do comes out wrong- and knowing you're intelligent enough to do the right thing and it still goes to hell on a rocket sled- and get back to me. Be a man. take even HALF of what I've been thru. K? Oh, and don't resort to drugs, alcoholism.... I didn't, and you cant, either.

Yeah, that's a bad history there. Very mentally challenging sounds like. But how would your life be if you knew through all of this that you're loved, adored, and shown everything that you really are? What if you'd been shown that you really could do anything you put your mind to? What if, in one very important relationship, you'd never, ever been abandoned though at times things that were ultimately bad for you were not given to you? Do you think you'd have a different outlook when all these crappy things happened? Yeah, I do too.

Even though the way you think about yourself and things that happened to you can change, don't expect all rosy living... Earth is Satan's realm... but if you have that all-important relationship to fall back on, then it just doesn't hurt as bad because you have Someone to fall back on.... and, you know it's not forever.

[edit on 25/11/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

reply to post by wylekat


Been there done that lol

That is the test; when thstf are you a loyal soldier or will you let the enemies ability of trying take your blessing away get to you? Or will you have built enough character to not let it bother you?

"In the day of evil, all you have to do is just stand." Some of those damn "firey darts" may get to you, but they wont kill you, and if you let it, they can make you stronger, no longing playing the victim, but the victor!! And then some!!!

Originally posted by bigshow
Wow this thread is incredible. For all of the bible pushers... pushing your agenda that the bible is real/god/jesus whatever. The burden of PROOF is on you all. No one in this entire thread has proved the idea that the bible is real, that god/jesus are real. Until that time... they do not exist, meerly a fantasy to have closed minded people a coping mechanism to realize that we as humans on this planet are truly insignificant compared to the universe. Our universe is unimaginably large... we are smaller than ants on an ant hill. When everyone realizes that you can go on in life without having to resort to a "religion" to have a life I think the world may take a turning point in our journey as a species on this planet.

The cycle continues. Religion is not closed mindedness. I believe in God, I believe this government is corrupt. I believe though that man must act on MORAL principles. You don't need a Bible to know, but it is at the very least nice to read. If man does not adhere to some type of moral decency then all of our technological progression is for not.

There is no point in improving our circumstances if people want to live with no values as is the case with many people these days. There just is no code of virtue people tend to follow anymore. You can't even trust your neighbor anymore and could well be a large portion of society turning their backs on God. We reap what we sew. I can tell you one thing. Ever since religion has been cast as an "evil" and that God is not real this world has gone down the drain and fast. Can't argue with that.

Originally posted by bigshow
Wow this thread is incredible. For all of the bible pushers... pushing your agenda that the bible is real/god/jesus whatever. The burden of PROOF is on you all. No one in this entire thread has proved the idea that the bible is real, that god/jesus are real. Until that time... they do not exist, meerly a fantasy to have closed minded people a coping mechanism to realize that we as humans on this planet are truly insignificant compared to the universe. Our universe is unimaginably large... we are smaller than ants on an ant hill. When everyone realizes that you can go on in life without having to resort to a "religion" to have a life I think the world may take a turning point in our journey as a species on this planet.

I can prove the relationship between God and Creation which in turn proves that the writers of the Bible may be correct, or perhaps may know a little more about God and Creation than they get credit for.
www.belowtopsecret.com...

reply to post by reasonable


I've seen this website years ago. It's a nice tidy argument and it does get people worked up.

The Biblical promises were written to give hope to the hopeless. And so we have in the world cancer victims that attribute unexplained but prayed for recoveries to God. What we largely don’t hear is from those that prayed earnestly and were not healed. Their negative outcomes are then attributed to “God’s will” or I had too little faith to be healed. There’s also the old stand by that goes something like “thou shall not test the Lord thy God” or something like that, I don’t remember and don’t care. It’s been two years since I walked away from the mumbo jumbo. (No offense intended, this is just me.) How many disgruntled former believers with terminal illness wind up telling their stories on Oprah? "Yeah Oprah, I prayed and prayed, lived a God fearing life but nobody's home!" That’s not a feel good kind of story. Sure, she ran with the teacher with the fatal condition; he had accepted his fate and was acting positively for the benefit of others. A sad story but still sort of feel good.

The invisible healing scenario never happens with amputees, as a missing limb would be seen if replaced. On the other hand a tumor or some type of cancer can be misdiagnosed and then found to have miraculously healed, gone, etc. For all I know, sometimes these things naturally subside.

The material signs of God’s work have never been seen. There are no remains of a Tower of Babel and even the woman supposedly turned into a pillar of salt can be seen as simply a pillar of salt in the dessert. Imagine that? If you could find a prop to support your story line wouldn’t you include it in your screenplay? Despite the naturally explained away items there is no other evidence of Biblical miracles OT and NT but for the stories themselves. Was this the first time things were contrived to convince people to behave in a particular way? I doubt it but I wasn’t there. Nobody was, no currently living human and not a god that has shown itself in a universally accepted form. Moses was the only one that spoke to God or saw the burning bush? Hmmmmm! That sounds more like George Bush than a Biblical wise man. George Bush, there’s one example of a modern story teller convincing people to behave in a particular way. Should we think he was the first? Palestinians, two thousand years ago didn’t do this sort of thing? Oh yeah, politics was invented in our lifetime.

Is it just me or does anyone else like that scene in the "Ten Commandments" when Charlton Heston as Moses comes back to camp and the kids are throwing a "kegger"? "Damned dirty apes!" Oops, wrong movie. Lighten up folks, you've thought that too! Anyways....

I hold no ill will towards anyone simply due to their belief or disbelief. A good person is a good person. What’s in your head is only my concern when it does me or mine harm. “Mine” in my case extends to my lifestyle, my state and my country. With that in mind I try to extend that privilege to others. By that I mean I do my best to speak out, vote for and contribute to causes that promote this same attitude. Where there’s no harm, no foul. Live and let live, god or no god.

This is a good time to wish you one and all a Happy Thanksgiving and a happy and healthy holiday season. May our differences be small and our hearts and minds be open.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by Hemisphere]

Originally posted by bigshow
Wow this thread is incredible. For all of the bible pushers... pushing your agenda that the bible is real/god/jesus whatever. The burden of PROOF is on you all. No one in this entire thread has proved the idea that the bible is real, that god/jesus are real. Until that time... they do not exist, meerly a fantasy to have closed minded people a coping mechanism to realize that we as humans on this planet are truly insignificant compared to the universe. Our universe is unimaginably large... we are smaller than ants on an ant hill. When everyone realizes that you can go on in life without having to resort to a "religion" to have a life I think the world may take a turning point in our journey as a species on this planet.

This thread is about miracles, isn't it? Maybe the reason why no one has tried to prove the bible is real is because that's not what the thread is about????

reply to post by oliveoil


That was very cool. It's amazing how well that all lines up. I found a another trinity. The Holy Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Could well be something there.

Edit:

Whoops just noticed they covered that when I reread the post. Have to be careful when I skim read.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by av8r007]

reply to post by bigshow


what proof do you want ?

reply to post by Hemisphere

The invisible healing scenario never happens with amputees, as a missing limb would be seen if replaced. On the other hand a tumor or some type of cancer can be misdiagnosed and then found to have miraculously healed, gone, etc. For all I know, sometimes these things naturally subside

We have already established that this threads question has been answered.


www.clairval.com...

reply to post by oliveoil


I think one of the major problems is the human chronology-view of time... They view their time on this earth as "IT", the clock ticking away and almost every moment is filled with pain and disappointment, however in the view of ETERNITY, this three score and ten in terms of human years is NOTHING and a vapour compared to the REALITY that is to come. What you have to ask yourself is that even though this life is hard, it is still temporary and does not even registar in eternity.....

Looking back will only bring pain, but looking forward to the reality of eternity brings hope after hope after hope, and reminds us that we can live that now by not letting the temporal humanistic troubles of the now affect the rest of our temporal lives, because in the view of eternity, those things may as well of never existed and their importance? Nothing..

[edit on 123030p://f30Wednesday by Selahobed]

so back to base one,

so god "wont" heal amputees ,

is then the usage of a protestic leg the temptation of the devil for your faliur of getting a recognition by god in your prayers ?

or is it gods will for you to loose the "leg" in the first place ?

Originally posted by AUM68
reply to post by bigshow

 

what proof do you want ?

I think ANYTHING that concludes this endless debate would suffice don't you?

But it will never come...

reply to post by reasonable


Does God answer selfish prayers? The Apostle Paul prayed for God to remove a physical infirmity he described as a "thorn in the flesh". God said No, for My grace is sufficient for you. God doesn't always give you want you want, sometimes just what you need. And as far as the starving, the thialimide babies, etc.... why do any of these things happen at all? Maybe you see them as a result of natural circumstances, or maybe evolution is trying to work out it's next stage for humanity. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, right? From my perspective I see a world broken and twisted by evil, desperately in need of help. I believe that God has given that help mainly in the form of His Son. I also believe that we cannot understand the big picture. Who can know why God heals some, and not others, or helps some, and not others? If you believe what the bible says, it actually says that the only reason anyone has anything they need is God. He gives them their meat in due season, an' all o dat. It also says that sometimes life will be miserable, and terrible, but that we should keep faith and hope. Consider the story of Job, for instance. We have to remember that this life is a mere shadow compared to the eternity to follow. I am very sorry for your loss, reasonable, and the loss of your family. What strong faith they must have, to go through all that and still believe. I pray that God will give them the courage and strength to never lose faith that He is in control of all things, and just as He promised in the bible, all will be made right with the world at the second coming. Not presuming to judge their fate, but those thialimide babies you were talking about are probably in a much better place than us right now.

reply to post by reasonable


The answer is simple

They don't deserve to be healed

We don't need to know why. Just accept it and pray some more.