Let's declare WAR! Economic War on China

... God bless America...


*Tear*


I hardly buy crap made in China anyway, its just an excuse for it to break about 3 seconds later.

Well you better hope you've ridden on our coattails and on our pains long enough to be able to carry on without us

They are getting there. India and China are both going to continue to expand their middle classes, yes they might make stuff for us now, but eventually their people will be rich enough to buy it themselves.

USA number 1! is coming to an end, sorry folks. Instead of sitting around and spouting quasi patriotic slogans you might be best served planning a future where USA number 1! is no longer.

Also for those that "champion" the human rights issues of China, communism's days are numbered as it isn't compatible with a middle class.

You wanted capitalism! You wanted stuff! Now corporations are going to places where it is cheaper to make YOUR stuff and you're still complaining.

I work for a company that just last month announced that hundreds of workers were going to be laid off in the new year - They are moving this specific operation to India ( American Company BTW) . That is capitalism.

... in what way could an all out economic war help matters?
How would it help on a national scale?
On a Global scale?

Since when is open aggression considered a solution to international tensions?

I mean, I know that this seems to have been Western policy for quite some time now, but isn't it quite clear that the whole "I DISAGREE WITH YOU, FOREIGN PLACE THAT IS ALIEN TO ME, AND I WILL FIGHT YOU" doesn't work too well.


[edit on 24-11-2009 by WetEugene]

Originally posted by Merigold That is capitalism.

So is competition and we're still well qualified to compete. We just need to bring it back. Someone said paying for thoughts was the wave of the future? Yeah nice try...that may be the current chic but it won't last long. A lot of Americans bet their livelihoods and lifestyles that paying for services not goods would be the wave of the future too. How'd that work out for you?

When push comes to shove, goods is the bread and butter. Thoughts and services are a dime a dozen and dispensable. There has to be a balance of all three to make an economy and a country grow and sustain itself and flourish.

For too long Americans were complacent, allowed their hands to be tied by people into whose hands they put their faith and allowed their character and name to be slandered by the same capitalist drivel and flat out lies to achieve their ends quickly. All I'm saying is that it's time to make smart decisions for everyone...not just the CEOs. Time to get that balance back.

Did Americans get a bit greedy and make some mistakes regarding gaining "stuff" and "debt?" Sure. But with LOTS of encouragement from the same people who forced this stuff and debt down our throats. But learn from your mistakes and move on...don't roll over and surrender.

America maybe be down (along with most of the rest of the world) but we're not out.



[edit on 24-11-2009 by ~Lucidity]

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Don't get so hung up on the word war that you miss the point. Use the word competition if that helps.

One way of fixing this is if everyone used the same currency, and possibly not a fiat one this time. That would certainly level the playing field, and then we wouldn't be subjected to the whims of our government and how they can change the value of our money overnight. If we were all using the same currency, success or failure in wealth would be totally dependent upon each individual, and not determined by what some stupid government or president has done to our life savings by devaluing it through essentially a currency split. DEMAND a one world money! That would go a long way towards creating equality among all yourselves too.

To compete with China, all we have to do is allow businesses to pay workers next to nothing.

It's a little late for declaring economic war on both China and India.

The time we all should have done this was 10 years ago.

Besides, read my location. America has been run by the corporations and for the corporations for a long time.

The common man has no say.

www.cfr.org...

No one knows how many service jobs have been outsourced abroad, because U.S. companies are not required to maintain such statistics. And, if outsourcing leads to the creation of jobs elsewhere in the economy, as many economists argue, that is also difficult to quantify. Most estimates of U.S. jobs lost come from consulting companies or industry groups directly involved in outsourcing. Boston-based consultancy Forrester estimates that 400,000 service jobs have been lost to offshoring since 2000, with jobs leaving at a rate of 12,000 to 15,000 per month, says John McCarthy, the company's director of research. Other estimates say up to 20,000 jobs a month may be moving overseas. This is in addition to the 2 million manufacturing jobs that are estimated to have moved offshore since 1983. These numbers are predicted to rise. Management consulting firm McKinsey & Company's economic think tank, the McKinsey Global Institute, predicts that white-collar offshoring will increase at a rate of 30 percent to 40 percent over the next five years. By 2015, Forrester predicts, roughly 3.3 million service jobs will have moved offshore, including 1.7 million "back office" jobs such as payroll processing and accounting, and 473,000 jobs in the information technology industry.

Originally posted by ChristinaA
To compete with China, all we have to do is allow businesses to pay workers next to nothing.

Well, isn't it fair that the Chinese get to buy and enjoy cheap iPods now made by Americans workers that previously took advantage of them? Fair turn-around. Karma in action. You all have to do something to pay back all that debt too now.

And, how do we convince our neighbors, our domestic customers, that $1500 American union made iPods are better than Chinese made iPods for $150 .. when they are not?

You know, the nice thing about capitalism is that you don't have to take that slave job working for another for slave wages. THAT'S optional. There are a multitude of other ways to survive and support oneself on this planet.

Say, why don't you start an iPod factory here in America and pay them workers $75 an hour and see what Americans think about that, ha. That would be a true test of this buy American idea, ha.

I know when I go shopping I look to see where it is made and it seems most is made in China the rest in other Countries. I had to look hard for the good old MADE in the USA.

I will pay a little more and buy USA.

We the People need to bring America back to her Glory.

There you go...

Upright selfish, individualistic, redneck, narrow minded comment from the "typical American Citizen".

Exactly this kind of thinking has put your country in the state that you are in. Blaming the world and not yourself. Because it actually IS the average American that has let it all come to this.

Not only by the fact that you keep voting for A president, stop voting at all!!! Since it doesn't matter WHO you chose, because they all get fed by the same hand. Corporate Mafia. And then you are in fact also to blame since you shamelessly keep consuming, consuming, consuming and again consuming! Exactly these facts have put YOU where YOU are now!

I agree with what has been commented before and adding:
Wage a war against your corrupt Illuminati government, and wage war against your own hunger to gobble up the world by creating the credit to pay for your unstoppable consuming hunger in the first place!

[edit on 24-11-2009 by Sover3igN]

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
What are you talking about?

America put herself in this situation with years of mismanaged budgets and borrowing money from China.

China was minding it's own business until AMERICA decided to outsource jobs to them along with India, and then when we realized that they couln't keep jobs anymore because of the outsourcing, they borrowed billions from China.

China is keeping the US afloat right now. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. You should be waging a war against your government and the corrupt offficials who got you into this mess in the first place.

~Keeper

closer to the true situation than the idiotic ideas of the OP. Face it America, you are a nation in decline that has lost the respect of your fellow nations. There is a false view that America is still the worlds driving force. We ( as in non-americans ) can see through this, what with G20 showcasing a new world currency to free the world from dependancy on the failing USD.

We watch every day as America and Obama attempt to throw thier weight around without realising that they dont have any! Oh maybe that an over statment as we all know that your strong point isnt economic or political but MILITARY!!!

Economic War? No. you have lost this war already because of the M.O of your war machine based democracy. Your politicians have been bribed to sell your freedom to the highest bidder and guess what? It wasnt that expensive!

So americans. Enjoy your economic downfall and sending your sons to fight perpetual wars for oil. After all its what your good at and we are good at looking away. But when Iran stands up to crazy threats an is backed by the IAEA and you still go to war with them then maybe, just maybe, the average american might wake up and smell the white phosphorus.

*sigh* im sorry if this was off topic or offends but I was just shocked to see such a media brainwashed idea passing as relavent on ATS.

Hungover, angry, concerned citizen of the world

Won't work. A generation from now (or less) people will simply outsource jobs anyhow - forgetting all that was done to fix problems. The best and probably only solution is a consciousness or spiritual related one.

Listen, I'm all for revolution as well, but fighting another country or nation isn't the remedy - especially when they're far richer and less chaotic than your own people.

The real source can be tracked down to roughly ten people. And even finding / identifying those ten individuals is a Herculean task. Cheaper and easier way is to change hearts and awareness. I know it seems like the sissy thing to do, but it really is the best option.

Take action locally if you must, but don't spread the dread.

Does the OP forget that america is all about free enterprise and its dog eat dog cuthroat business world it thrives on in its own country !

now your country is getting a taste of its own medicine !

check out your ecenomic sanctions on cuba !

now america is sort of like cuba , where a bigger more powerful country is choking its economy through legal trading !
China is only playing by the rules that your country follows

and i'll finish by saying # happens

Originally posted by sapien82
China is only playing by the rules that your country follows

Please elaborate? I'd agree that this might be true for some rules but not for many, many others. Which rules specifically are you referring to?

Anti-globalization is almost literally a sin to those highest in power. So good luck making head way on that lol. If we were smart we would have been a bit more protectionist in terms of manufacturing base. Now people are beginning to understand the importance of those lower end jobs.

americans are never happy unless theyre in a war. if the war in iraq ever ends theyll just make up some lame excuse to invade another country.

I think maybe, we should be very careful who we choose to vilify.
These policies on trade and the building of manufacturing plants have been created by our "elected leaders" and "captains of industry".
I will agree that the current conditions are horrible, and that the extension of the debt is abysmal, yet our countries problems are INTERNAL.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.merriam-webster.com...

www.cc2009.us...

www.marquetinternational.com...

Lets start at home.

A human trait, blame others before you blame yourself. Another human trait, target a problem while turning a blind eye to your real issue.

Americans are losing their liberties, freedoms and lives and you want to focus on keeping the corporate machine running. The one where your born, live and die with the main aim of keeping their fat wallets and bank accounts topped up with your taxes.

Dont blame the fence round the hen-coop, shoot the fox !

Respects

Restore tariffs! Repeal GATT and NAFTA! Repeal Reagan/Bush/Clinton tax cuts for the wealthy! Revoke "Corporate Personhood"! Revoke Corporate licenses to operate in the US if the majority of jobs or profits are outsourced including tax shelters. End the Fed.

Simply restoring tariffs would stop trade from China dead in its tracks. China has tariffs, Japan has tariffs, Korea has tariffs, EU has tariffs etc etc...

This would create a demand for American jobs and products. It's easy as soon as we the people realize what the real problem is and who the traitors are.

We can feed ourselves, clothe ourselves, shelter ourselves and provide our own energy, made right here in the US. We need to remember that and get rid of the double talking traitors!

Edit to Add: One more thing Campaign Finance Reform! 10 dollars annually out of each taxpayer to publicly fund ALL elections no corporate money!

[edit on 24-11-2009 by Leo Strauss]