Oil is not of fossil origin and is inexhaustible

Im no scientist and I'm not agreeing with either side just curious, but couldn't the hydrocarbon or whatever traveling through the mantel or where ever it settles be the reason why it picks up organic matter. I mean if the organic matter is already there and the oil or petro. form ontop of it would that not explain why it shows up when you break down the oil? Just a Question

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My apologies I didn't realize that English was not his primary language.
I take it all back!
KGE

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So its really bat-poo.
Or..
Its like that sci-fi movie "solent green"
Its PEOPLE.

Yeah I know thats sounds crazy. But think about it for a moment.
All the people that have ever lived on good old planet earth. 97% of you is water, when that drains away into the aquirfer, your left with 3% substance over a long period of time. Billions of bodies, under pressure, and BAM.

Black gold.
My idea sounds more plausible than dino's 500 million years ago.
But then I'm all for GeoThermal.
Did you know that Yellowstone has ruffly 7,000 years of free energy just waiting to be tapped? But nope can't do that some fool made it into a national park so forget about that idea. Instead TPTB can charge an arm & a leg on black gold. Or they can sit back and laugh as the sheeple that live near nuclear power plants glow in the dark at night.
They got us by the balls and they know it.
No such thing as clean coal, thats just another bunch of BS.
So I can hear old charlton heston screaming out from that Solent green movie. ITS PEOPLE!!!!!
Interresting find OP.

I just find it amazing when a gathering of minds seeking to question the reality of presented knowledge,
gathered to share new ideas and possibilities,
supposedly with intelligence and open minds,
gathered, at a meeting place such as this.....embrace and take up positions in a verbal warfare sharing insults from their most holy towers.
The passion is only tempered by the arrogance,
and the established,
is quickly held up as proof,
ending the need for further questions,
and completing the discovery of new knowledge.

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No problem Kenochs. It's easy enough to make a mistake like that when there so many members from all corners of the globe

I've known this for years, I bleieve my buddy said his economics professor told him this. No surprise, dillusion is the best way to keep people under your wing. Well now the bags OPEN B****!

[edit on 17-11-2009 by NoJoker13]

People seem to be neglecting the underlying danger to all of this. At least, no one has mentioned it that I've seen in the few pages I've read. Even IF oil was unlimited, and it was continually being produced, would we want to continue to use it?? It's one of the leading causes of global pollution! Choking our atmosphere, and killing off plants and animals.

I feel like papers and articles like the one in the OP are just used in an attempt to stem the tide, and calm the masses. If people think that we have an unlimited supply of oil, they will just continue to consume without hesitation, thus increasing our problems. We should be focusing on how we can get OVER oil, not how we can be okay with using more of it.

This is amazing... simply for one fact:

With the amount of fossils we have (and yet to unearth), all the coal beds and mines we have striped bare and still mine, all the oil fields we have tapped and discovered...

That's A LOT of bio mass. Can you imagine just how much life there had to be in order for their decomposing bodies to generate all that sludge / coal?

Life, somehow, still exists on this planet. Are there more coal beds forming? Have there been discoveries of oil fields being created under mass graves?

Originally posted by Chastral

Now lets take a look at these so calleg Geologists like the one that attacked you. Their field is super sensitive. Can you imagine what kind of big brother stuff is going on with their education? Talk about concentrated brainwashing, there you go. Honestly, I do believe our scientists are tricked, and lied to about a lot of things. I believe the ones that 'wake up' get dealt with.

Actually, anyone involved in a 'sensitive' field where information is priveliged is required to be a member of a professional society.

This is nothing more than another type of "secret society" which passes as a prestigous decoration to the uninitiated, but which serves to keep one bound by oath of secrecy in order to continue to work in the chosen field.

Originally posted by theonlyrusty
As we progress in our knowledge, we will undoubtedly find alternative sources of energy that will be far superior to crude oil.

Unfortunately, if you read the Hirsch Report that I mentioned earlier, you'll find that oil is indeed a very unique and amazing gift from nature!

In terms of a measurement called EROEI (Energy Returned on Energy Invested), there is no other current known energy form that can match oil.

All of the alternate energy options available to us as of now, are going to be incredibly expensive and time-consuming to implement: Whether it be solar, wind, or nuclear (contrary to popular belief, bio-fuels are not ready), we are looking at transition costs in the trillions of dollars, and turn-around of 10 years at the minimum!!

Putting it simply - time and money are not on our side to make a smooth transition to an alternate energy society.

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I would like to give you credit, but you never acknowledged the fact that there are hydrocarbons on other planets. Just because your a geologist doesn't explain this, unless you are saying there has to have been life on other planets.

Originally posted by dwiggen
We should be focusing on how we can get OVER oil, not how we can be okay with using more of it.

Hi dwiggen

I think you'll find that most, if not all of those concerned about Peak Oil, are also concerned about the environmental damage done by fossil fuels. We are not pro-carbon. What we are concerned about is how to mitigate the consequences of what will soon be a forced transition to alternate forms of energy.

We all want clean, green, renewable energy. But how we get there without a traumatic alteration to civilisation and our current lifestyle, has still not been answered.

The nagging worry is, that there is no non-traumatic solution.

Inexhaustable my backside, NOTHING is inexhaustable, Oil is a finite substance, it will run out eventually, even the 'Oil magnates' are stirring to claim for 'loss of earnings' when the oil runs out.
They wouldn't be bleating on about being given money for no reason if the oil is inexhaustable would they?

7/10 - 8/10's of our planet is water, doesn't mean we can all water our lawns with scant regard for where it comes from does it?

I kinda hate to say this, but I knew this back in the early 80's when a friend of my grandfather came over from a visit....I remember them saying there was a pocket of oil in the Gulf of Mexico that could run the United States for several hundred years...I think the media finally reported it a few years ago, 20 years later, as a "big find".Remember?

The Oil prices have been fixed for several years and they keep on telling the public that its due to refineries and other reasons....what about the huge assed refinery they built off the Isle of St.Cruix my best friend did the Iron Work for this job and the word on the jobsite was that this refinery alone could run 2/3 of the world!! if not more.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
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Haha the Texas Railroad Commission was one of the most corrupt organizations that ever graced American enterprise and government.

Now, now, with Rick Perry heading the state government, we can be sure that there is no corruption. Oh geez, I can even write that with a straight face.

OP, regardless of where the oil comes from, if we use it faster than it's created, then the oil exhaustible for our purposes. It's sort if like fresh water. There is always more fresh water being created from rain and melting snow. Yet, we have water shortages where the demand from the increasing population is outstripping the rate of replenishment.



[edit on 17-11-2009 by Kaploink]

Ever since a child, I have never bought the total and complete B.S. that Oil is a fossil fuel. Is this the same science that says the Earth is Billions of years old? If you call that science then I guess you will believe what you want to believe.
The fact that we have huge reserves of centralized pools of oil and that they were formed by the decomposition of Fred Flinstones garden and dead pets. That is a lot of dead animals and Ferns in one place. Did the animals all gather in the same location before they died. That is a hell of a lot of Ferns!
I don't buy it for a minute. It is as rediculous as the Earth is Billions of yrs old. Next thing your going to tell me is we can change the Earths climate by switching light bulbs!!!
All you 'science experts' seem to get proved wrong over & over but have this attitude that "This is what I was taught and so it is fact". Keep believing that oil comes from dead animals & plants. Change your light bulbs, then get out of our way. This is a site full of people who think outside of the box. Outside of the Fossil Fuel Myth Box.

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You sound highly plausible..but 200 years + of being taught something, and looking for evidence that 'fits' the theory will convince most people of anything. Especially as i say, if it sounds and looks logical.

Would it not be equally logical to assume contamination of the 'natural' oil with decaying organic matter resulting in identifiable animal and plant molecules 'in the oil'?

Perfectly logical to me.

reply to post by The Soothsayer


Coal is still forming today, in bogs and other wetlands all over the world. Of course, not in enormous quantities like in the Carboniferous period, the conditions then were different from the ones today (wetlands were very common).

Don't know about oil... I'm sure it doesn't form under graveyards though. If it's still forming today, that happens at the bottom of the oceans. Made me curious too. Maybe one of the geologists could help? Are oil deposits still forming today?

Originally posted by jsmappy
Ever since a child, I have never bought the total and complete B.S. that Oil is a fossil fuel. Is this the same science that says the Earth is Billions of years old? If you call that science then I guess you will believe what you want to believe.
The fact that we have huge reserves of centralized pools of oil and that they were formed by the decomposition of Fred Flinstones garden and dead pets. That is a lot of dead animals and Ferns in one place. Did the animals all gather in the same location before they died. That is a hell of a lot of Ferns!
I don't buy it for a minute. It is as rediculous as the Earth is Billions of yrs old. Next thing your going to tell me is we can change the Earths climate by switching light bulbs!!!
All you 'science experts' seem to get proved wrong over & over but have this attitude that "This is what I was taught and so it is fact". Keep believing that oil comes from dead animals & plants. Change your light bulbs, then get out of our way. This is a site full of people who think outside of the box. Outside of the Fossil Fuel Myth Box.

I think you forgot to post the data that supports your arguments here...

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I already asked that same question and no reply