Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

Originally posted by djusdjus
paranoid cherry picking nonsense.

Huh? Exactly how do you call this "cherry picking"? It is pointing out flaws in this boondoggle of a "affordable" health care plan. Then pointing out the flaws in Barack Hussein Obama's response to a question in an interview, concerning one of these flaws.

Would you prefer I say the whole bill stinks, to avoid "cherry picking"? OK. The whole bill stinks!

Originally posted by djusdjus
paranoid cherry picking nonsense.

Can some of you please stop pushing your I hate Obama agendas with weak, cherry picked sound bytes.

This is like death panels and other nonsense all over again.

Back it up, or shut it up.

Agreed, with the very last sentence of your rant at least...."Back it up, or shut it up". How about doing exactly that?
We are all getting hosed with this latest bill. I can, and do, afford health insurance....and now I get to (or actually, am FORCED to) pay even more. Always nice when a government tells me that I MUST buy a commodity.

Originally posted by XTexan
I think that instead of a fine or jail time for not maintaining health insurance you should have to show that you have sufficient funds to pay a medical bill before receiving treatment.

That way if you show up to the doctor and you have no insurance and do not have the cash on hand to pay then you get turned away.

Then the bill will insure that those who can't afford health insurance will still receive it. If you can afford to pay your bills, then you'll be ok.

It will also insure that those of you who don't want to maintain health insurance and can't afford your medical bills will be turned away.

Works for me.

So those who work but cant afford the insurance get nothing. And those on welfare who dont work at all will still get coverage. Or, cut out all the welfare people and dont give them any either. Can you imagine all the welfare recipients suddenly told they dont get health car for free anymore?

Originally posted by Erasurehead
reply to post by Rockstrongo37

 

People can choose not to drive a car if they don't want to pay for auto insurance. Mandatory health insurance amounts to a tax on just existing as a human being. This goes against everything America once stood for.

Oh but you have a choice. According to their thinking if you don't want to pay for health insurance or go to jail you can just off yourself. It would save them a lot of money on their public offering.

For anybody that wants to learn about the Rights to choice, Freedoms, or rights to choice, are prohibitions against government interference with a particular activity or behavior.

The dangers of government interference on the private public freedoms, that are actually protected by that big and very important historical document call the Constitution

You know is not an old document in display for his historical value only.

We Americans have the right to speak freely, to worship as we feel fit, to have the rights of bearing arms, once even we got somebody along the lines that believed that we have the right to choice of health care but nowhere in the Constitution that became a law.

The government without the constitutional mandate can not impose any type of health care on private citizens. We as private people have the right to chose what is best for us, the same way that we chose religion or speech.

Why punish the citizens while taking away freedom of choices when the problem is not the citizens but the insurance companies gouging the system and the citizens.

Can anybody tell me what business the government have to force people when the problem is the services and those providing those services.

Because the government knows that they are owned by big private companies, big pharma, big insurances, big banking system all the too big to fail.

So when they can not legislate against the same people that they carter too, is easier to go after the citizens in the nation.

I challenge anybody here that agree with the mandates in the health care bill to tell me, why we get to be pushing but not the groups that are causing the health care crisis in the nation.

Originally posted by marg6043

I am not deceived by any thing. I was just pointing out the fact that the President was not quoted word for word. This person has an agenda and it really just seems to be a bunch of fear mongering and paranoia.

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Will you please post the part of anything that you believe of the health care bill that is nothing but fear mongering paranoia, please.

No everybody here are in the business of bashing others members opinion.

In my case I am for public option even universal health care, I am for reform as long as the private insurances companies and big pharma gets to be regulated, hell I even agree to pay taxes to cover bills, but what I will never agree is to any forced mandate that will infringe in my constitutional rights as a private citizens. I consider that a danger to all of us tax payer and private citizens of this nation.

So, I have read all of the above & MHO now is Tax Revolt. If one millon of us is against this & they are trying to tie this unconstitutiional bill to our taxes then in protest we must not pay our taxes for 2009. And if they try it again next year pay no taxes for 2010.
Try to put a million of us in jail.

I guess thats what fema camps are for. Eh?

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Im not sure why every time you post a link it doesnt work...this new one that you've listed is also not working...try testing your links before putting them up here for us only to be frustrated by...thanks

Originally posted by chiron613
Fascist? I don't think so. How is this any different from requiring drivers to have auto insurance?

People who don't have health insurance become a drain on the economy when they get sick or injured. Not only can't they work, they wind up getting emergency treatment or being put on disability. The state picks up the tab, eventually - and we all pay for that.

This way, we'll be paying for our own insurance. Oh, and chances are better that people will get treatments earlier, which could very well help prevent them from becoming more seriously disabled by their illnesses. The way it is right no, people without insurance don't seek help until they're deathly ill, and by then their treatment may wind up being far more expensive than it would have been, had they gone sooner.

And so it begins.

Mark my words:

People who choose not to carry mandatory health insurance are going to be labeled as deadbeat insurance dodgers who are making all of the good little sheeples policy's cost so much more by the MSM.

Your a deadbeat dad if you spend everyday with your children yet your jobless and broke, but if you never see your children and your payments are made on time your a wonderful father.

Your a deadbeat husband if you don't make your alimony payments but there are no problems and your a great husband if you verbally and physically abuse your wife as long as your alimony payments are made on time.

Someone that refuses to follow this unconstitutional law will be no better than a deadbeat dad, deadbeat husband or tax dodger...

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Originally posted by Izarith

I haven't bought into a word. I just quoted President Obama's statement in its entirety.
The thread starter quoted it in a way to push his agenda. All I see is fear mongering and paranoia. People should be fined if they're taking advantage of a program. It should be treated the same as filing for disability when you can freely move around. Illegal immigration was mentioned in this thread.

All illegal immigrants should be sent out of the country too. You can't help those that won't help themselves. Any aid given is aid potentially thrown to the wind. These people will continue to be in poverty because of their own fault. These illegal immigrants need to unite and protest to their government. They also need to tell the drug cartel's that they won't take it anymore. Declare war on the drug cartel's ruining their country and protest daily to their government for change. It's easier said than done, but hey, you have to start some where.

This mess about government run health care is only a symptom of a greater problem. How come no one makes a big deal out of people being treated like numbers instead of human beings? How come no one makes a big deal of people getting rich off your injuries and illnesses? We're born with an inheritance of great freedom and opportunity passed down generation to generation and we take it for granted.

We become greedy, selfish and cocky thinking we're the best.
Then, when someone comes along offering a health care plan that they think is better than what people are being offered, a bunch of people want to whine and complain. Just fess up to it, you care about you, and not anyone else.

When people don't take care of the country they have been given, they do not deserve it!
If someone hijacks your country, It is your own fault and you deserve no pity.

Tough love, tough words but it's the truth.

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Its going to go farther than that, you go against government mandates and you will also be seen as a fascist, treat to the establishment, dissenter and even a terrorist.

Plus if the government can then control what good and services you are to buy by mandate your health care will be monitored to be the least cost efficient to the private insurance companies,.

Insurance mandated for hight risk as an additional cost will become the norm and they will fall in the no people will be denied coverage, you just have to pay more.

Is not control over private insurance practices but only on the right to no denying services, the bill doesn't say what additional cost can be incurred or not and be charged to people, the door is open to anything the insurance companies can come out to gouge the people as the insurance is obligatory regardless.

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by clay2 baraka

 

Hey if your at all in question about the "jail" time punishment look here...

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

That's it I'm moving! I can barely afford to live right now let alone be forced to have insurance. I think its INSANE to force another to have insurance esp when they cant afford it and then send them to jail if they dont pay outrageous fines.. I know MANY people who will not be able to have this. I know married couples who can't afford insurance through their employers and believe me they arent rich. Insurance is EXPENSIVE and even when you have it the visits to the doctor are expensive.

I watched some show on HBO about healthcare all over the world and canada and France are looking REALLY good to me right now. What it would be like to go to the doctor when needed and not have to worry about what bill you will skip to do so

This country is screwed and most will just sit and take it!

Ok lets get this straight, they don't like idea of Joe Average working 9 to 5 and then spending his home / own time growing his own food.

Soooo you have to buy food produced by the giant food corps who put whatever crap they want to into the food you have to buy, and now you need to buy health insurance in case you get ill.

Don't get me wrong I know people get ill from many sources but we eat and drink daily so why not taint the food and water/drinks, just another way to keep you in your place and the money raised will fill the coffers of the few

reply to post by TruthSeeker8300


Oh but you have bought into the con my friend.

If you think this bill that might pass, the one that give free health care to the illegal immigrants who you think need to go back to their country and does no change at all to the welfare system but only punishes those who do work hard and make their money but merely don't pay for health care, is some how going to be pitiless on anyone other than the middle class in America then you need to take a reading comprehension course.

Just like people who have Mexican license plates are exempt from buying car insurance in the USA and walk away from any small accident, so too are they exempt from paying any health insurance in The USA. I just think that any Americans should share the same benefits that illegal aliens do while in America.

Let me put this health care bill in baby talk for all the people who for the life of them can't comprehend what they read.

You poor, you ok, you get free health insurance.

You have little money, you no poor, you pay health insurance. If you no poor and no pay health insurance because you want buy food for kid instead you get Big tax. You no pay tax you go to jail, like bad man.

You illegal, or on welfare you see no change in world. It's ok good to be on welfare and illegal, happy day for you.

You make little money, you pay world change big for you, you now now get big hurt punish if no pay health insurance. Sad day for you, to bad you not on welfare or illegal.

Hey wait one second?

I have a question for all you people.

What would it take, if this bill passes that is, for large groups of people to start their own ethical health insurance company?

If several large groups of people in America started their own health systems it would teach these bastard lobbyist a damn good lesson.

I'm just wondering what it would take?

reply to post by Izarith


Nancy Pelosi said she'd put the Bill online for 72hrs but didn't. I know it's over a thousand pages, but where can I read the real bill? I'm not saying I support the government run health care, but I also don't support what we currently have. Both are corrupt and flawed in their making.

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Nancy Pelosi is the US equivalent of a third world politician. A person who lies through her fake teeth proclaiming to help while just opening the door to what ever entity the lobbyist are pushing for.

It's the same with Republicans, Both parties are using the tactics they have always used only this time they are on a signing spree just like in any corrupt third world country that has already sucked it's population dry.

Pretty soon you wont have to worry about illegals coming to America because what would be the point of leaving one third world country for another.

The current health system we have is terrible, But all this bill does is make our current system mandatory and with penalties.

America all ready has the world best health care system. It's the federal one, the one every federal employee and all our politicians have. We all ready pay for this from our taxes so we should enjoy it's benefits.

But why screw up an insurance companies wet dream?

Why are so many humans so sick that they are filling up hospitals and need billion$ in prescription drugs?
Most prescription medications interfere with normal body processes.
Doctors are not healers...they are drug pushers.

If the government can Mandate this insurance, then surely they can Mandate the removal of Toxic elements from our Food. That would cause us to be healthier right away.

However, they OK poisons to be added to your food and tell you that it is good for you.

They still haven't told us how the poor and the unemployed are going to come up with all this money for premiums.

And don't kid yourself....the illegals will still get medical care at your expense.

Originally posted by TruthSeeker8300
reply to post by Izarith

 

...but where can I read the real bill?

Here is one link to a PDF. I like it because it is easily searchable.

docs.house.gov...