Has Baxter International Released a New Biological Weapon in the Ukraine?

There is hope. I am desparately trying to recover an AMA published paper I saved to a crashed hard drive on the efficacy of vitamin C for the treatment of influenza.
The short version is that ascorbic acid kills all influenza including the 1918 strain. The key is maintaining a very high and constant blood serum level. For a 165 lb male, the dose is 5,000 mg/day spread evenly throughout one day and maintained for 5 days past any symptons.
If anybody has ever seen whole blood after it has been centerfuged you have seen the lower level contains platlets, the upper level is plasma and the very thin layer in between, known as the buff colored layer, contains white blood cells.
During the 5k mg/day course, the plasma becomes acidic but the buff layer doubles in size. It that layer that attacks the virus.
It has worked for me but you must contnue for 5 days past symtoms. In the Ukraine the vitamin C is gone. The same will happen here if the SHTF.
Please stock up but don't be greedy. We will need each other on ATS assuming this site is not taken down.
Today I noticed a strange man in a minivan in front of my house. He had a very long computer generated list. Before I could ask him what he was doing, he drove off. Very strange.

reply to post by zarp3333


Yep. It works. Vitamin-c will treat all virus. Intracellular vitamin-c levels correlate to T-cell count. I'm immunocompromised. Not sure where it came from, but taking grams of vitamin-c for the last year has kept me from being sick. Not even once! Big change for me.

Here's a link that has relevant information.

Vit-c

reply to post by MajorDisaster


new here
hi all
anyone remember the shipment of live bird flu virus from baxter to europe
do you realize that no one has been convicted
even though the live virus was for vaccine makers to bred vaccine for the general population
a live bird virus spread to general population via vaccine would cause a similar outbreak to what we see in keiv
if spread by aerosol at close range or water supply enough people could be contaminated to start a bird flu pandemic in the mist of a swine flu pandemic
i propose a brillant marketing campain release swine flu and scare the population into taking vaccines then if people refuse or fight back relase avian flu and inform them its swine flu (there be a rush to get vaccinated)
after start pushing avian flu vaccine and so on

evil profit hungry vaccine makers only have to release a virus themselves to reap the profit

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Was at the HFS this afternoon. All powdered ascorbic acid was gone off of the shelves. I've never seen this before.

I ended up buying a large bottle of chewable ascorbic acid, and hope that this will work in a pinch.

As a first time poster, I first want to thank everyone on this site for just participating; even though opinions on various issues vary, it's great to see all sides in views expressed.

It's great to see in a prior post Baxter's Ukraine lab's address and phone # for the earlier "skepic" who did not realize that they even had one there.

Thanks to top secret for venturing into this side of this story. As someone who has been trying to prove my "extremist" viewpoints to my family for a long time, this Baxter/Ukraine/h1n1 story finally convinced them that indeed, something "funny" is up.

You see, how in God's name could Joseph Moshe or anyone else have predicted this would happen in Ukraine?

www.unfictional.com...

Note the date of the story, August 21, 2009.

another one:

www.theflucase.com... hted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

Where is Joseph Moshe right now? Why would Baxter release a biological weapon upon a populace? Why would the WHO state that it is not necessary for Ukraine to either close international borders nor restrict air travel to other countries?

As my "sceptical" mom would ask, when she learned from me that there was a new H1N1 outbreak in the Ukraine, completely unreported in Western media and the MSM, "my God, what else are they hiding from us?"

It's great to see so many people digging and reporting, we are the new media, and we are everywhere.

I just don't think the Elite would release a plague or a virus for population control reasons in this day and age.

It is too unpredictable for them. In this day and age it is much better for them to just have cancers kill us off or sterilize us with vaccines so we don't have as many babies. There is always a new war the elite love war that kills populations and makes a ton of money and they get to take land.

Releasing a mass plague to kill us all runs the risk of it mutating and infecting them too not to mention it would destroy the world economy and they they couldn't enjoy the nice things they have. No one wants to rule over a wasteland.

It is an enticing scenario but i just don't see the elite using this method. Scaring us with one is one thing but actually having it happen is another thing all together.

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Does anyone know where I can find a recording of Joseph Moshe's radio call in? Please send me a private message. Thanks

not saying this "company" did this,

All tho you have immunity from prosecution and liability, and have perpetrated some crazy # in the past, doesnt mean you will continue to said practices.

warning to you, your coveted money making business,families, employees, sponsors, donators, advertisers, etc. etc........

YOU WILL BE HELD LIABLE......

YOU WILL BE HELD LIABLE......

this is not a game

the whole truth about your vaccines and how you have "helped and saved "mankind from "deadly diseases " is going to be in your face quickly.

may the creator have mercy on you, because we won't

There is something to this. Check the date of this first article and notice the number of deaths. Then look at the number of deaths in the second article and notice the date as well.

President: 48 die of swine flu in Ukraine Associated Press 2009-10-31 09:03 PM

www.etaiwannews.com...

Ukraine calls for help fighting swine flu (AFP) – 7 hours ago KIEV — Ukraine made an urgent appeal to world powers for help battling swine flu on Sunday, after 60 people died from respiratory problems in a week.

www.google.com...

It's forty eight one day and sixty the next. That's a rate of a dozen a day.

reply to post by MajorDisaster


Can you point me to a link where I can see that J. Moshe really called Dr. Ott's radio show? As far as I know Dr. Ott only thinks that a caller might have been J. Moshe.

Your theory is plausible, but we need facts. Thank you.


[edit on 1-11-2009 by Nichiren]

reply to post by MajorDisaster


wow. very interesting, always thought there was more to that story. thanks for bringing this up.

I don't get this at all. What reason would Baxter have for infecting Ukrainians? How on earth would they think they'd get away with it, if they did so? Makes no sense.

Also, I remember this Moshe event quite well, because he held of LEO's even after they maced him. I never saw any report concerning Ukraine back then. Now, suddenly, we're getting a "prediction" that we never heard about?

Sounds like retroactive prophecy to me.

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Possibly, or maybe too many people listened to the MSM and thought he was a terrorist and thus ignored anything he had to say at the time =)

www.unfictional.com...

Originally posted by chiron613
I don't get this at all. What reason would Baxter have for infecting Ukrainians? How on earth would they think they'd get away with it, if they did so? Makes no sense.

Also, I remember this Moshe event quite well, because he held of LEO's even after they maced him. I never saw any report concerning Ukraine back then. Now, suddenly, we're getting a "prediction" that we never heard about?

Sounds like retroactive prophecy to me.

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.

I'm trying help so check it out.
Above Top Secret

Also I think the fact that it occurred in an (relatively) obscure country
will allow the people to buy the 'Plausible Deniability' spin that Baxter or TPTB will undoubtedly throw if/when this hits mainstream media.

Forget the nitty gritty and how and what for a moment.

It disgusts me - this whole affair.

Mankind spreading death and disease and fear and hatred. Why can the majority not see that this is a Win/Lose situation in the short term and definitely a LOSE/LOSE situation in the long run.

Even these so called 'elitists' - do they not have families ?
do they not have friends ?

How would they feel if (or rather WHEN) one of their loved ones
falls prey to the very disease they'd sought to spread elsewhere.

Sure they'll get rich.
Sure they'll stay in power


But if they could just ask themselves - At what cost ? And is it worth it ?
..
They'd realize the damage they are doing.

But they don't and they won't so i guess we're all s*****d anyway..

tsk.

Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by MajorDisaster

 

Can you point me to a link where I can see that J. Moshe really called Dr. Ott's radio show? As far as I know Dr. Ott only thinks that a caller might have been J. Moshe.

Your theory is plausible, but we need facts. Thank you.

Link

educate-yourself.org...

The interview in question may be this one. I don't have time to listen to it right now but if anybody can pinpoint the part where Moshe calls in that'd be great



[edit on 2-11-2009 by MajorDisaster]

"The Ukraine is on 'the verge' of a state of emergency" according to the Warsaw Business Journal. It states the number of deaths as 53 (in the Western Regions) and an estimated 185,000 affected.

The worst affected area is Lviv which is close to Poland (est. 24 deaths). It's expected Poland might declare an emergency should the virus spread to it.

I love it when I hear people say things like "This is all conjecture, there's no evidence."

What evidence do you want? Baxter making a house call, and delivering all the top secret plans?

I am totally dumbfounded - this connection is easily beyond reasonable doubt. Have a look at the charges brought against Baxter by .. whats her name .. Jane Burgemeister? Something like that.

Go look it up - I don't know what people expect really, supposed to be conspiracy theorists - but a 3yr olds dot to dot book would leave them baffled.

EDIT: Are people not aware of the ongoing plot by by the NWO to depopulate the planet? Is it new to people? This has been talked about for the last few YEARS! With Baxter at the middle of it.

I would be surprised if they contain this outbreak insider Ukraine.

[edit on 2-11-2009 by Amagnon]