Burning In Hell? For Eternity? Wait a minute...BUT

reply to post by GORGANTHIUM

Just imeigen if you were placed into a black void for eternity.You did not need to eat or sleep.You did not age or get sick.You could not move just float within a black void.Your mind was still ok.

Sounds like an ideal environment for lucid dreaming. In fact some people pay money to experience what you're describing. I don't think it would be so bad. With the mind still intact I think you'd tend to drift into hallucinatory fantasy rather quickly.

reply to post by PeterGriffin


PeterGriffin:

So you seem to be of the mind that the longer one resides in hell the less he/she may be tortured. Somehow I don't see the picture of those unfortunate souls having much fun.

Yes, it is true we all are part of the creator. After all the Lord breathed life into Adam. He loves all of us and has poured out his mercy and grace to all mankind. It is not his desire to lose even one of his children, but we are children made with "free-will.

To me the most horrible idea of hell is TOTAL seperation from our Heavenly Father. Just think on this a moment, he can no longer SEE you, no longer HEAR your pleading, and can no longer FEEL your tears running down your face. This is hell my friend and the soul lives forever.


Peace,
Grandma

reply to post by Grandma

To me the most horrible idea of hell is TOTAL seperation from our Heavenly Father. Just think on this a moment, he can no longer SEE you, no longer HEAR your pleading, and can no longer FEEL your tears running down your face. This is hell my friend and the soul lives forever.

Pretty much the biblical idea of hell as well. The fire and brimstone idea of the lake of fire is the end of the punishment when those souls will be destroyed. Cause god is such a nice guy.

The modern idea of Hell actually comes from The Divine Comedy. (which actually wasn't funny at all, it was rather depressing.)

Originally posted by PeterGriffin
**I'D LIKE TO START WITH A CLARIFICATION...THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ON WHETHER OR NOT HELL EXISTS** IT IS ABOUT THE ACTUAL "BURNING FOR ETERNITY" IN HELL, ANY AND ALL OPINIONS ARE WELCOME***

You should have added this to your clarification:

***THIS IS NOT A THREAD TO ATTRACT A LOT OF USELESS ATTENTION BECAUSE EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT HELL AND TOPICS ABOUT HELL TEND TO BE HOTLY DEBATED AND ELICIT A LOT OF REPLIES SO I WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IF DEBATES/FLAMING ERUPT!!***

[edit on 25-10-2009 by ahnggk]

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Grandma

 

Pretty much the biblical idea of hell as well. The fire and brimstone idea of the lake of fire is the end of the punishment when those souls will be destroyed. Cause god is such a nice guy.

Those in Hell rejected the "nice guy" God who offered a free ticket out of Hell. All He asks is to believe on his Son and repent.

You're ignoring that God is also justice in perfection, and ignoring God has perfect wrath against sin and unrighteousness.

You simply cannot create a "false god" in your mind and shoot that god down that you created in your mind.

That's called a "straw man" argument... it's fallacious.

The modern idea of Hell actually comes from The Divine Comedy. (which actually wasn't funny at all, it was rather depressing.)

I don't know about this "modern idea" of Hell, I believe in the one spoken of in the OT and NT, and the one presented to us by Jesus Christ many times in the synoptic gospels and Revelation.

This "modern" version is probably much easier for the human mind to bear.

[edit on 26-10-2009 by NOTurTypical]

Originally posted by PeterGriffin
I am asking...even if it IS real...wouldnt we get used to the burning?? Plus, wouldnt there be breaks?...I know it's an odd question, but eventually we would get numb to the burns and used to it....no??

i had a similar thought regarding falling forever. after an hour or two the panic would subside wouldnt it?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


The OT NT version of hell is more reminiscent of Paradise. The holding pen for souls. (which indecently was stolen from the Greek underworld legend)

The lake of fire however is the end of souls, and the devil and death itself.

And death isn't even a bad guy in the bible.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And death isn't even a bad guy in the bible.

Actually the Bible says "The last enemy to be destroyed is death". Enemy means 'bad guy', if you're wondering.

Stop perverting the Scriptures to suit your agenda.

This is really quite ridiculous for the simple reason that after a person dies, they do not have a body, at least not the same kind of body they had before they died. That's obvious because we can see it and even watch it rot and go back to the earth. So without a physical body, how it is possible to have any kind of physical pain? It's not. So any pain experienced by a person in "hell" would have to be emotional/spiritual in nature. And isn't that really the worst kind of pain possible?

reply to post by whatukno
"Everlasting" and "unquenchable fire" and "fire and brimstone" (sulfur) are not my ideas of paradise.

Originally posted by HarvestMoon
This is really quite ridiculous for the simple reason that after a person dies, they do not have a body, at least not the same kind of body they had before they died. That's obvious because we can see it and even watch it rot and go back to the earth. So without a physical body, how it is possible to have any kind of physical pain? It's not. So any pain experienced by a person in "hell" would have to be emotional/spiritual in nature. And isn't that really the worst kind of pain possible?

The Word of God says every soul will receive a resurrected body, one that is incorruptible. A body like Jesus had when He was resurrected.

In fact all people who have had an NDE, or vision of Heaven or Hell say that in the spirit realm and in Heaven and Hell the senses are multiplied than what they were here on Earth.

Originally posted by miriam0566

Originally posted by PeterGriffin
I am asking...even if it IS real...wouldnt we get used to the burning?? Plus, wouldnt there be breaks?...I know it's an odd question, but eventually we would get numb to the burns and used to it....no??

i had a similar thought regarding falling forever. after an hour or two the panic would subside wouldnt it?

This is one of the replies I was hoping for. Many people are getting into the "religious agenda" with their replies. I think there have been MANY valid points brought up. Thanks to everyone. I will read through and post later

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Interesting I didn't know that. Still, I think the "fire" is more symbolic is nature, though I could be wrong.

Originally posted by HarvestMoon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Interesting I didn't know that. Still, I think the "fire" is more symbolic is nature, though I could be wrong.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance does say that the word "fire" (#4442) is both used figuratively in the Word and literally as well. It says "fire" is used 73 Xs in total in both the OT and NT combined. But pertinent to our thread and when "Hell" is referenced, Strong's gives this definition under subset 5:

"of the fire of Hell, to be endured by the ungodly hereafter, Matthew 5:22; 13:42, 50; 18:8, 9; 25:41; Mk 9:43, 48; Lk 3:17"

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by HarvestMoon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Interesting I didn't know that. Still, I think the "fire" is more symbolic is nature, though I could be wrong.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance does say that the word "fire" (#4442) is both used figuratively in the Word and literally as well. It says "fire" is used 73 Xs in total in both the OT and NT combined. But pertinent to our thread and when "Hell" is referenced, Strong's gives this definition under subset 5:

"of the fire of Hell, to be endured by the ungodly hereafter, Matthew 5:22; 13:42, 50; 18:8, 9; 25:41; Mk 9:43, 48; Lk 3:17"

I'm HONESTLY not trying to be funny here....but if someone is not a mathemetician..a magician...or religious... should they understand what you just wrote??

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by HarvestMoon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Interesting I didn't know that. Still, I think the "fire" is more symbolic is nature, though I could be wrong.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance does say that the word "fire" (#4442) is both used figuratively in the Word and literally as well. It says "fire" is used 73 Xs in total in both the OT and NT combined. But pertinent to our thread and when "Hell" is referenced, Strong's gives this definition under subset 5:

"of the fire of Hell, to be endured by the ungodly hereafter, Matthew 5:22; 13:42, 50; 18:8, 9; 25:41; Mk 9:43, 48; Lk 3:17"

I'm HONESTLY not trying to be funny here....but if someone is not a mathemetician..a magician...or religious... should they understand what you just wrote??

reply to post by PeterGriffin


Strong's is a lexicon into the meanings and contexts the Bible uses for Hebrew and Greek words so we can get their meanings fully into English.

"fire" in the Bible has a number (4442) beside it, so you go to Strong's Concordance and look up #4442 and it will break the exact context/definition of that word down by the individual verses it is used.

this is necessary becasue Hebrew and Greek are more complex languages than English is, many times we use the same word for a number of different definitions or contexts and the Hebrew and Greek use different words for different situations.

Take "Love" for instance, in English it's "LOVE", but Greek has 5 different words for "Love" with 5 different definitions and meanings depending on the context it's used.

Does that make sense?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


reply to post by GiveUpTheGhost


Y'all haven't actually read the bible now have you?

Luke 16:19-26 "There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table; moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom; the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivest thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there."

Luke 16: 19-26

Paradise or "Abraham's Bosom" is hell, just not a very hellish hell. It's Hades of Greek fame. The underworld, a place where people go when they die before judgment day.



[edit on 10/26/2009 by whatukno]

reply to post by whatukno
Luke 14:19-26 says that Lazarus was dead "and the angels took him to paradise", and that the rich man ALSO died, but it doesn't say the angels took him to paradise.. it says he went into Hell, where he was in torment by the flames of Hell.

Did you read that right? Better read those verses again.

In layman's terms: You WANT to have the angels take you to paradise when you die, you don't want to go to Hell where the flames cause extreme torment.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


It's different parts of the same place. Latter they discuss the kingdom of heaven. Paradise is just a nice part of hell. Where good people go.