You tell me why unchild humans, should care about your children?

Originally posted by Remixtup
If you feel physically disgusted and get shivers when you're near children, you have issues pal. Considering we've all been a child, how can you possibly feel nauseated by THEM not IT. Personally, your outlook on this is disgusting, and gives me shivers.

Go easy on the guy, he might be an alien and not know it.

He doesn't seem to want to hurt anyone; looks like the physical reaction might be a result of him not taking well the to human form. So being around little humans reminds him of the condition he is in. Seeing that people are oblivious to what he knows but cannot articulate, he feels revolt in his stomach and this revolt is misguided towards the little ones. The fact that some people are obnoxious about their kids, doesn't help either.

He posted how feels so it seems he's trying to get to the root of it. It takes courage to say something like this and bear the wrath of peer review on ATS. Judging by the stars there are quite a few people that can't stand being around little brats and yet he's the only talking about it.

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Dog on a leash isn't just for kids...

That's like asking why I should slow down just because you're crossing the street

Maybe you should cross a little faster if you don't want to be run over.

Star on this one! Only in North America drivers slow down for pedestrians. Everywhere else people take responsibility for their own life. (Don't know about W. Europe or UK)
I don't understand why people willingly put their life in the hands of a stranger with a vehicle coming towards them.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by tungus]

reply to post by Dasher


You know what?

Your only commonality with the person I actually replied to was that yo both ride the bus... I labeled you Emo and maybe not on the outside, but why do you choose to relate to a person who obviously and be insulted over a completely superficial commonality in experience?

How do I Know from what you just posted that, your the kind of person who just might give up your seat for Lady or elderly person or that if a kid tried to nab a bite of your sandwich you might offer a piece not go on ATS and rag the child for being hungry lol

I have no issue with people who are sensitive...

I would never be having an argument with you in RL other than to say perhaps as a friend, your traits are totally in the right direction but you need to stand up and fight and put the whole emotional thing aside sometimes in dealing with some people.

Okay

I ride the bus on a rare occasion too, Cars... never have thrilled me, big gas guzzling polluters and If I enjoy a smoke and get pulled over i'm screwed...

So I know the "type" of bus rider and so do you...

I've been on the bus when HS lets out I know the Noise the loudness, the piggish behavior of some younger riders very well...

The description I read... was a young person bitching about the bus and children and moms riding it and disturbing his/her MEAL lol...

Okay FIRST don't leave me your (not you) damn mess on the seat...your not supposed to do that it's rude... I see this, people who come on pig out in front of other people (90% of the time same people put feet up so no one can sit next to them)

Okay, Second Women and Children FIRST and Elderly and Cripples, bottom line is You and I can ride a bike if we have to we aren't incapable for any reason, the City BUS is there first for people who can't do it on their own... there is no excuse for a belief system that says... Kids need the bus and their moms less than you or I...

So if i'm telling this guy off...

and I mentioned the bus... YOU shouldn't take it personally... maybe you want to save energy, maybe you just don't mind it and don't have the gumption to want to waste money on a car... But your NOT this person if what you say and how you express yourself is true and you shouldn't relate to a slob and rude person as if I attacked you over one tiny commonality because from what you say, your nothing like that...

I think if you disliked the situation and your good on a computer.... you wouldn't be involved in it

And frankly... Why not say to that guy... "Hey why not ask mom if you can give the kid a piece of your sandwich instead of acting like a 4 yr old is somehow ruining your life"

Relating to people is great... relating to people who don't give a crap about anyone else is a Fail in the long run and that's probably the only thing I actually disagree with you on...

Take for example a conversation I heard in California (after 9-11)

Two people at a Restaurant explaining how "we need to Understand the culture"....

NO... I do not... have to accept around me ever, clitoral circumcision, masking of women, stoning people... Ever (don't agree it should go so faras to fly over to fight it) BUT, in my zone, in my daily life I don't ever have to "Understand or relate to this" if it comes my way... I have a right to fight.

Likewise... I don't need to be nice to someone who... won't give up a seat on the bus or share his sandwich with a child, that person has NO respect for others and I will NOT show respect to them in exchange, it never works, you just end up accepting things in your life and degrading your own existence as I see it.

You can't be nice to kids and moms... I have no reason to be nice to you. You wont be nice to MY MOM or my Kids on the bus, so respect, decency from me is gone.

And you know.. fine sorry if the bus thing affected you, I apologize

But your taking a very small aspect of what i'm saying and applying it to yourself which, if the things you say about are true you have nothing in common at all with the person I was commenting at and I have no idea why you'd rather relate to that, then understand the placement of the comments...

If you can't deal with annoying kids and helpless people... get off the god damned bus and Pedal power it... be a Person, The bus is a LUXURY for us...for me at 4o it's a Luxury I CAN get where I am going another way and that's the bottom line and if need be, i'd be a man under those circumstances and make way for people who can't do what I can do not sit there and say people shouldn't have kids because I feel like making out a big Roast beef on my way to do whatever I could do another way.

So sorry, but I have no idea why your hanging on the bus issue... I'm quite sure from your words, you'd give up a seat if it was needed etc, etc... not act like it was your personal coach taking you to the palace.

reply to post by deathpoet69


Aside from what clearly seems like some unresolved childhood issues that may be lurking under the surface

This is a society, as such we try to protect all those within. Albiet we fail on numerous levels and often we still have to try. Also protecting children is an instinct in most species with a few notable exceptions.

To be frank I could care less that you dont care for my son or any other child out there. But as amember of this society you are bound to live within its rules and establishments.

So, today's parents don't deserve to have children because they're sticking up for children? Do you not think that previous generations of parents would've done the same thing?

yes parents would of done the same but its the amount of arrogance and carless irresponsblity they hold that dose not think about the child at hand first that puts the child in danger because of the parents actions and not all parents protect their kids

Who defines good? What makes the people that don't have kids any better than those that do? Wouldn't them having kids though, by your seeming though process, make these good people bad people since they have kids?

since parents already are selfish, naive, aggressive, arrogant then they do not deserve children, most peopple who want kids who dont have kids deserve it because they know what love is, were as alot of kids are born by mistake, other parents can not cope with children.

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I'm sure many people could explain to these people how to have children.

very arrogant answer

How are parents selfish and bitter? As I said last night, parenting is a selfless act. I am overjoyed when ever I think of my little boy; I am far from bitter.

in the way you have made a comment above this one shows you are not selfless, however maybe you are the lucky few who have a good heart? who knows?

ne last question, obviously, your English is okay, so what was with show in your posts from last night?

I don't know what you mean from my posts last night?

Have you ever heard of compassion or neighborliness?

they don't know the meaning they lost it when the child was born.

Ultimately, you are capable of understanding the OPers complaint, as you are making his complaint against him, but you lack the tact and grace to help where he may have been left untended to by others. At least the OPer brought this concept to the table for debate and was open to hearing rational discussion about his mindset. If a person is in need or search of help, give if you are able. Otherwise, tearing down your neighbor is very hurtful.

More so, your conduct towards myself is very lowly, of which I would appreciate an apology for your personal attacks and I am surprised you have not been moderated already. Regardless, if I do not garner some form of respect or reconciliation from you, I will not ignore you. It will gain nothing to threaten or attack you as you have done myself. Please be a gentleman. Order and Charity is not "Emo." However, name calling is Prideful and Chaotic.


Oh, and the last time I took the bus I was coming home from Saturday market to buy some goods. I eat only whole foods that cost a truck load, and I make anywhere from minimum wage to over sixty an hour depending on how fast I work on a project (I am a self-employed audio/mastering engineer and web designer/coder since I was 16 and I am now 28. I am not too well off, but I am healthy, have no debt, and am blessed with so much.).

Mate, everything on spot, people will never understand people like ourselves, but well said

Originally posted by Dasher

Originally posted by deathpoet69
Honest, sincerer question being brought to the public, no reasonable answer has been given yet, free speech, much like the bbc giving nick griffin a speech

I take exception to that. I think I have done my best to understand your point and try to offer a point of connection for you to consider a different view and possibly more consistent actions on your part. What you are seeing is accurate and I do not have a problem with your observations. I only have a problem with someone who is able to see the sick and does nothing to heal the sickness.

Just as when ignorant and angry posts were thrown at you instead of compassion or understanding. Then, likewise, you responded in anger and ignorance. Reading back this thread really exemplifies our times.

It is rare for one to be a good judge in perseverance.
Please try.

[edit on 10/24/2009 by Dasher]

true you are right, ill give it a go, i know am better, thanks x

you make sense, i don't doubt you, i have tried to help as many but i have given up and because of that i seem to be turning on humanity its to much to help, even trying is not going to help, fair do's yes i would help a child myself so that it would not suffer but you can't help everyone and thats why i decided this.

You see well. Bring life to where you see it is needed instead of letting the sickness become so much a part of you.

you speak sense dasher of course you do, and I want to give good to this world but somtimes you give up like i have previously mentioned and thats why i am saying whyy should we care about your children, its a direct question to the parents who may bring up terrible human beings they may not but the chances are they will, theres alot of hate between child and parent and visa versa, we shoudl give up helping it wundt go anywere

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To be frank I could care less that you dont care for my son or any other child out there. But as amember of this society you are bound to live within its rules and establishments.

then you must agree with the NWO then cause thats who create the rules yes? thats a fair jugdement, so as much as you expect me to follow your way of life within this society i shall follow my own, I don't live by its rules, i play the rules.

reply to post by deathpoet69


You shouldn't, but don't expect us to care about you in the same regard you would give us.

The off topic nonsense, and the personal attacks on the op and other members stops now.


As you can see, I have removed far too many posts that were nothing but personal attacks of one sort or another. This stops. If you cannot post politely and on topic, don't bother.

Take a look at the title at the top of the page, and post appropriately.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by deathpoet69

 

You shouldn't, but don't expect us to care about you in the same regard you would give us.

society dose not care about each other, i don't beleive anyone would care about anyone else, now to say as i am writing this i think about the time when i got knocked down when i was 12 years old, the car driver blamed me for been in the way, now of course the police cared enough to get me home but i did not ask him to, i was more concened about getting the bus i missed back home.
However this is what i mean, you see, teachers if they dislike you will turn aganist you and your child, social services, police, neigbours, you all know this and should not be naive, like the mod said, please keep this sweet and give a good explnation of why anyone should care for your child?

reply to post by seagull


I am not trying to ruffle your feathers seagull (hee, ok bad pun) but please explain to me how calling someone out as a troll, is off topic? This poster is blatantly trolling.

reply to post by deathpoet69


Some of us are a lot more civilized than that, but for a majority that is exactly right. But, like I said if you do not care about them, then don't that's your perogative. It's theirs to care for you in the same regard. Really blantantly obvious statement or at least I thought it was. And most of us that do care take are of our own as well as others', There aren't too many of those around, but I don't see nothing wrong with going with the majority.

[edit on 24-10-2009 by ldyserenity]

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by deathpoet69

 

Some of us are a lot more civilized than that, but for a majority that is exactly right. But, like I said if you do not care about them, then don't that's your perogative. It's theirs to care for you in the same regard. Relly blantantly obvious statement or at least I thought it was.

ok thanks for the answer, now in regards to that why do you feel that someone like myself should care about your child's safety? or how we should react to your child, for example, i was walking in town once and i saw this child on the pavment picking up her sweats because she dropped them, bless her, so i made it loud and clear, how pathetic to the parents " look at that their making their daughter look like a tramp" i mean really?.

reply to post by deathpoet69


I said it twice, I don't feel anyone should have to care about my children, because I do that...that's what I mean, I say what I mean. It's a free country, and parents should be watching their own kids and their kids' friends, childless people shouldn't have to be bothered. Now you get it?

[edit on 24-10-2009 by ldyserenity]

reply to post by ldyserenity


like i said, your children shundt effect good honrdable citizens getting on with their life's, i mean, some people can't even go to the beach because of all the children around, can't even go in to a pub without children been about, it spoils it for everyone else, do you what i mean ? and what is it with you parents giving me dirty looks lol is it because you fear for your children or for yourselfs?

reply to post by ldyserenity


could you respond to this please..
i was walking in town once and i saw this child on the pavment picking up her sweats because she dropped them, bless her, so i made it loud and clear, how pathetic to the parents " look at that their making their daughter look like a tramp" the father looked like he had a problem with that i said because it was none of my business but really, it was, she was in my way, she could of got trended over

reply to post by deathpoet69


You have no idea how difficult it is to be aware of every moment and what a child does...

You basically just refereed to walking over a child who bent over to pick up a piece of candy.

All I can say is a parent might not notice something as small as that but as stated before your obviously expressing some sort of anger at your own parents and you are definitely behaving in the things your saying exactly AS one of these kids your railing against.

All i can say to that comment is

I might not notice my child pick up a piece of candy, something I have done as a kid you have surely done and any kid will do... But if you walked over my child (and this is not some kind of threat it's hypothetical) I would notice that and kick the living poo out of you call the police or BOTH

I am done with this thread, it's only intent is to piss off parents and it was NOT a personal attack to state the obvious, that your going to die alone and my Many kids will inherit the Earth and that is why In my Opinion and Actions...you or others like you simply do not matter compared to them.