You tell me why unchild humans, should care about your children?

reply to post by Aeons


only thing you and i and rest of man kind and life in general is you live and you die, end of, don't need all the complications surrounding it.

reply to post by IconoclasticTalamasca


youru right in what you say, I am not on the board often to be honest now because i have given up on society and people however, nature and animals are more worth while than any human being, yes, i am aganist humanity, i wundt expect you to come looking for me, thats the whole point of living like a hermit.

Originally posted by deathpoet69
reply to post by IconoclasticTalamasca

 

youru right in what you say, I am not on the board often to be honest now because i have given up on society and people however, nature and animals are more worth while than any human being, yes, i am aganist humanity, i wundt expect you to come looking for me, thats the whole point of living like a hermit.

So why are you not living like a hermit? You did not really answer my question.

Why are you here on the board conversing if you don't like people?

I live in the countryside, near forests, hills and greenery all around me, with my wife and dog and my old father, i have neighbors, there is 100 house's in total, my wife is not ready for all that yet, however, i wundt mind it, when your married you have no choice at times but in the future i would like to, i am on here conversing because i would like to skip in and out of places to help someone along the way to become isolated and to mediate with their life's, i liek to prove that there is more to life, when your alone you learn ALOT more about the human soul and body and the earth and thats what i intend to do.

Did you get the dose of humanity you where looking for ?

Originally posted by deathpoet69
I live in the countryside, near forests, hills and greenery all around me, with my wife and dog and my old father, i have neighbors, there is 100 house's in total, my wife is not ready for all that yet, however, i wundt mind it, when your married you have no choice at times but in the future i would like to, i am on here conversing because i would like to skip in and out of places to help someone along the way to become isolated and to mediate with their life's, i liek to prove that there is more to life, when your alone you learn ALOT more about the human soul and body and the earth and thats what i intend to do.

Then it appears you have not given up on humanity. Even if you only want to help someone learn to maintain isolation, you still, in fact, want to help another person. I encourage you to re-evaluate your position and the reasoning behind it. You cannot show people the other side of life if you cut yourself off.

I have no problem with you dropping off the grid if you so choose, but it sounds as if you really don't want to. Be sure before you make such a choice.


...If you are trolling, I will feel seriously put out.

reply to post by trueset


been there done that dont want any part of it, my mission is however is not to teach the world to benefit the human race, but to tarnish it, ridicule it and punish it for its ignorant, selfish lifestyle, they have killed many people who are spiritually aware throughout centuries however even in the ancient civilization murder was common, abuse of children was common and greed was common, always has been and always will, so therefore, this creation should not be helped, it can not be helped, it should be destroyed.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by deathpoet69]

reply to post by IconoclasticTalamasca


I don't want to totally and forever cut myself off but i would like to be a hermit and be spiritual and then come in and out of peoples life to show them what the possibility are, so obviously i haven't given up totally but i have majority however even then giving advice to a person doesn't mean i care about them i am just showing them

Dear OP From your posts I get a sense that something from your past has stayed with you and twisted your perception of society in the negative.

I agree with you that society is not worth as much as people may like to think but you should try to meet society half way and get help for the pain you feel because though you may not wish to be a part of society that society will expect you to play its game or it will squash you in the long term.

Without being patronising because I am not - I want to tell you that I understand where you are coming from as I came from a violent background where feelings were seen as pathetic weakness and the rod was broken across my back along with my bones and my teeth.

In my youth I hated everything and was a creature of base emotions because those that should have protected me were part of the problem by expecting me to stand on my own against terrible odds. My perceptions of what were right and what was wrong was warped out of my control.

Life is rough in the real world and when you choose to opt out you risk making it worse because opting out still means you have to remain submerged within the society and in the end you will be crushed because society fears those who reject it.

Too many people seem to think that having children is an easy thing to do and too many seem too willing to expect that others should care about their child. I shake my head at their arrogance and their ignorance but what can you do but put them to the peripheral areas of your sight and mind because to pay them too much heed is to become even more disillusioned with what has gone wrong with this civilisation.

I once shared a ward with a woman who was severely brain damaged in a car accident and would need 24 hour care for the rest of her life. She detested children so much that whenever she saw a child she swore like a trooper and would even try to strike that child. I found out eventually that the reason she hated children was because she was speeding in a BMW, a child ran out into the road and she wrecked at high speed trying to avoid the child - I think she managed to avoid the child.

Life deals us heavy hands sometimes but the true mettle of a person is how they bounce back from a rough deal. The brain damaged woman will never bounce back but you can still do so.

I love my children but I expect no other person to care about them because I recognise my society to be distracted by little things and out for what they want but not what they need.

In school I expect a duty of care on a purely professional basis. If there is a failure in that duty then the professionals who are educating my child can expect to hear from my solicitors. I keep it simple and that way if a line is crossed I can pick up the pieces without being distracted by stupidity and the point of view of a person that to me does not really matter too much.

I am revolted at what society has become but I learned long ago that I need to play the game and pretend to tick all the boxes and jump through all the hoops if I am to be left alone to live my life as I please. You may not like this but you should to play the game too even if like me you detest society because negativity attracts negativity.

I ask you to do yourself a favour and speak to a doctor. If that doctor is worth his or her salt you will be referred to a mental health professional. There is no shame in that and you have not failed.

What you have written to my mind has taken a lot of guts and I tip my hat to you, and because I respect what you have written I urge you to seek some help. You strike me as a person who needs support for aspects of pain from your past that bother you in your present. It should not be that way and you are not weak to do so and certainly not to be shunned and I hope no one drops in here to try and humiliate or laugh at you.

I wish you the best of luck, I am moved by your pain and I wish there was some way to help you. All I can advise you to do is to repeat what I said and say that you should go and see a doctor.

This course of action might be something you might scoff at but the chain reaction from doing this is a positive and could change your whole life for the better, but you have to meet that help half way.
Good luck whatever you decide!

PS: This was meant to be a short post so I have no idea what happened.


[edit on 23-10-2009 by SmokeJaguar67]

As pelosi said (and I don't capitalize her name hahaha), "are you serious"?.

You do know children, all children, whether you have anything to do with them or not, are the future of your country...your future, my friend.

I_R

reply to post by deathpoet69


While I do love children, I completely understand what you are saying. I wonder if your reaction towards children is more based on their behaviour or physical difference. Not to be condescending in any way; do people whose growth was ceased prematurely also provoke the same response in you? Based on how you feel about most parents' selfish and bitter conduct, I am lead to believe that this is more of an issue of you taking exception to poor or lowly human conduct in general.

Digressing...
I don't think you should worry about those who you. I think that you should not concern yourself with improving, in them, what you want to see better in the world. It would be unwise and uncaring of you to gently correct what you improperly view as gross.

Or conversely;
I do think you should worry about those who disgust you. I think that you should concern yourself with improving, in them, what you want to see better in the world. It would be wise and caring of you to gently correct what you properly view as gross.

It is humbling that you speak more than one language enough to express yourself. I hope you will take the time to really understand how I have laid out how I see your situation/debate/request for alternate ideas of conduct.


As you have seen in our world's children (the fruit of the world's adults), animals are blind to godly conduct and mankind is constantly falling away from the surges of life that rise up in the world's experiences to expand our animal-like conduct towards gods-like conduct.

Simply put, I believe that you should help others to be what you believe is beautiful.

Understand that you are just as much an animal by nature as they are.

As Gods have brought us up from the void to the dirt to the kingdom of animals to the kingdom of man (judges), give to your neighbor in such a way as you would like to be helped to be welcomed to and travelling to the kingdom of Gods. The kingdom of animals, like the kingdom of men, is passing away. The kingdom of Gods is eternal and is given to the good gods. If you are, be a good god. A man's gifts make themselves apparent and are not long contradicted by a man's conduct or words.

[edit on 10/23/2009 by Dasher]

reply to post by SmokeJaguar67


a very lovely post there, i agree, you have to play the game or you will be swallowed and i have been learning how to play that game so that i can get peace, i have had professional help numerous of times and all i get told is that it is anger, i have had azbout 8 week course and i told them and urged them that this was not enough and i was improving now i am back to were i started however i am not like i use to be, i agree that society will reject you and fear those that are not apart of it and thats probably why i get the trouble

reply to post by deathpoet69


Why should we care about childern????

Well mabey because at one point EVERY single person was a child, and SOMEBODY cared about children enough for YOU to still be here.....

What is the difference?

reply to post by mellisamouse


because we should not be here

Now what I want to know is why those of us who choose to be childless can't get an operation to make it so no unfortunate accidents happen. They won't perform a vasectomy or tying of tubes if you're to young or have no children. Sounds kinda silly to me. Also while i'm on the subject, why do my property taxes pay for the schools? I have no vested interest in public schools, I have no children, nor do I or my wife care to have children. Why are we paying for everyone elses kids? Shouldn't they actually have to shell out more of their money if they want their child to have an education? Makes no sense to me.

Originally posted by deathpoet69
to your question.. i think its drooling, baby clothes, baby stuff, young girls, it really makes me eeek, am ok with getting on with young boys from about 6 upwards though but all the pretty gooey stuff just makes me feel sick

I can understand that 100%. I used to be the same but when your own child comes along you have to suck it up and do what is needed, this reduces the nauseating factor to the point that you can withstand almost anything.

Originally posted by deathpoet69
been there done that dont want any part of it, my mission is however is not to teach the world to benefit the human race, but to tarnish it, ridicule it and punish it for its ignorant, selfish lifestyle, they have killed many people who are spiritually aware throughout centuries however even in the ancient civilization murder was common, abuse of children was common and greed was common, always has been and always will, so therefore, this creation should not be helped, it can not be helped, it should be destroyed.

There is another way Poet, to Shine your light into the world for others to see. The demise of our culture is a natural thing, we need to do nothing to assist it in this timeframe. But, we can model the behaviours we seek to see in the world so that what comes after is based on equality, caring and understanding.. basically the world we would all like to see as a reality.

Originally posted by deathpoet69
I don't want to totally and forever cut myself off but i would like to be a hermit and be spiritual and then come in and out of peoples life to show them what the possibility are, so obviously i haven't given up totally but i have majority however even then giving advice to a person doesn't mean i care about them i am just showing them

Caring for and about others is what you seek from your Hermiting for spiritual growth, well, at least that is what you will find on such a path. It is unavoidable that as awareness opens love for all living things grows too. Catch 22, but you will do well.

Thank You for sharing honestly Poet.

Originally posted by Hypntick
Now what I want to know is why those of us who choose to be childless can't get an operation to make it so no unfortunate accidents happen. They won't perform a vasectomy or tying of tubes if you're to young or have no children. Sounds kinda silly to me. Also while i'm on the subject, why do my property taxes pay for the schools? I have no vested interest in public schools, I have no children, nor do I or my wife care to have children. Why are we paying for everyone elses kids? Shouldn't they actually have to shell out more of their money if they want their child to have an education? Makes no sense to me.

It is so because you are a member of society and society seeks education for all it's members. Very little of your taxes probably go to fund schools, while the vast majority of your taxes will go on infrastructure in your country and waging war in foreign countries.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by Tayesin]

I home school my child, but I don't think we should pay taxes at ALL anymore...it is rediculous. they blew it all on crap for themseles instead of on the people, and now have everyone bickering amounst each other INSTEAD of holding the governments etc responsible, and now everyone is being so selfish as to negelct the children??????????? our FUTURE?????

classy.

Originally posted by deathpoet69
reply to post by mellisamouse

 

because we should not be here

What do you mean we should not be here????

I don't get where your comming from there.....

reply to post by deathpoet69


Would you care to be around with a 14 year ols. I'm 14 and I have the same feeling as you

While I do love children, I completely understand what you are saying. I wonder if your reaction towards children is more based on their behaviour or physical difference. Not to be condescending in any way; do people whose growth was ceased prematurely also provoke the same response in you? Based on how you feel about most parents' selfish and bitter conduct, I am lead to believe that this is more of an issue of you taking exception to poor or lowly human conduct in general.

It could be physical difference and their behavior that i can find repulsive, no people whose growth was ceased prematurely dose not provoke the same response in me.

issue of you taking exception to poor or lowly human conduct in general.

Correct.

Digressing...
I don't think you should worry about those who disgusts you. I think that you should not concern yourself with improving, in them, what you want to see better in the world. It would be unwise and uncaring of you to gently correct what you improperly view as gross.

i don't want to correct it, because i know it can't be corrected but i would like to try.

Please understand that I can empathize with you fully and actually mean the opposite of what I just said, so please disregard it if you didn't understand it. However, I really intend for you to spend a large amount of time understanding my words above so that you can appreciate how much I mean them. It is humbling that you speak more than one language enough to express yourself.

thank you

As you have seen in our world's children (the fruit of the world's adults), animals are blind to godly conduct and mankind is constantly falling away from the surges of life that rise up in the world's experiences to expand our animal-like conduct towards gods-like conduct.

yes correct

Simply put, I believe that you should help others to be what you believe is beautiful.

i have tried, even if it just helps a few people, i do help by directing them and it dose work and it shows i was right and they get on better in life and become better people and i feel proud of that but i don't expect to be in their lifes forever which saddens me really.

Understand that you are just as much an animal by nature as they are.

correct.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by deathpoet69]