An attack on America by Europe

Originally posted by Aree Laxyn
Good post! i dont really agree but this was anyway wrong.
"In 1492 Christopher Columbus found what is to be the new world" Snap out of it! Leif Eriksson clearly found the Indians land long b4 Chris did. This is proven.

True enough, but the Skraelings sent the norse colonizers packing in the aftermath of Thorfinn Karlsefni's last failed colonial attempt in, I think, 1010 AD. After that, it was a trading relationship with the Norsemen up until around 1360, and that seemed to have worked out to everyone's benefit for a while.

If they'd have been able to do that with the English, Spanish, French, et al after 1492, the world would be a vastly different place now. Not necessarily better, but no doubt different.

DAMN that gunpowder invention!

EDIT:
After rethinking it, I believe it was Thorfinn Karlsefni who dicovered the coast first, then went back and reported the find to Erik the Red, who told his son Lief about it, who then went to check it out.

The last failed colony was headed by Thorvald and his wife Freydis. Thorvald was killed by a Skraeling arrow in the attempt.

I still say DAMN that gunpowder invention!



[edit on 2009/10/20 by nenothtu]

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by jam321

 

This current war is illegal because Bush and Blair made false claims(basically told bare faced #ing lies!) for the invasion, conquest and occupation of Iraq, need i go on?

Yes, you do. I still see no reference to broken statutes.

Europeans are very aware of their dark history, and I guess most try learn out of it. Years of history classes on these themes, overload of weekly tv-documentaries on worldwars, conflicts and other historical errors, memories and stories of the older generation, a reluctance towards anything that smells like war or humanitarian injustice ... all of which emanates out of a fear to make the same old mistakes again: nobody wants to be in a situation where he has to state, as the germans did: 'wir haben es nicht gewusst' - it's unimaginable; nobody wants to see slavery, child labour, abuse, war, injustice ...

In a way, that attitude seems to be the perfect breeding ground for a more leftish, striving-to-tolerance point of view, which sometimes reflects in some more social oriëntated politics around here, which again gives a subtle difference in our perception of the world around us. Not better or worse, just slightly different - as it differs from person to person...

And still, things aren't running as they should, same mistakes are constantly been made over again, and in the meantime we keep on criticizing situations and keep bringing everything we think goes wrong under the attention. We criticize ourselves (Europe/local country) just as much as we criticize America or other regions/policies/leaders/....

An objective soul realises that the critics on America are as correct as the criticics towards our local situation, but two reasons why this might be taken out of perspective around here:

1) Because of its global position, America's influence is far more important on a global scale, and thus more interesting discussion material than, lets say, Belgian politics (although there's a lot to say about that as well)...
2) This forum has a significant tendency towards American oriëntated topics (and American users), which makes it obvious American actions/politics get analysed and criticized more often around here...

Either way, try welcome criticism in a constructive way - it's seldom a personal thing After all, we're all facing the same world..

reply to post by djusdjus




That's almost funny enough to cover up how much of an ***** and a bigot you are.

Almost

Oh well. We'll just take our little Union that has a third of the worlds wealth and leave you in peace

Don't be annoyed coz your empire is collapsing

Edited out the bit that EVERY yank was taking offense to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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reply to post by Jimmy1880


In America we don't ned a license to own a TV. In America we don't let a religion force our restraunts to change what they serve to satisfy the religion of a few.

And the BBC must have know the truth about 9/11 as it showed a live feed and claimed building 7 had collapsed, 10 minutes before it actually did, how did they know it would?

Lets face it, we won the Revolution and like all Kingdoms who lose, Britian has from day one looked for a way to destroy America and renew its power base over the North American Continent.

But the histroy does show that HUMAN beings across the globe have chosen wars and murder to subject others to slavery or oppression in the name of power and greed, their gods.

All nationalities and colors have now slavery and terrorism at the hands of a few. In fact only one group on this planet has known more abuse, murder and slavery and oppression then any other and is still dealing with it to this day regardless of religion, class, color, country or culture.

Until this group knows true freedom, true equality I don't we will ever know real PEACE on earth.

That group is WOMEN. Even britian participates in the hatred of this group.

reply to post by djusdjus

America doesn't care about Europe. We buy stuff from Europe, but ultimately, we don't want to be like Europe, we don't want to act like Europe, we don't want to politic like Europe and we certainly don't war like Europe. lol

Got to disagree with you. Being American myself, I say we need Europe. They have a lot to offer to help make this a better world. I understand why they or some of them choose to slam us for current on-goings, but in the end we are no different than them.

On some days we make good decisions and on some days we make bad ones. Problem I have is that they want to blame America for the whole dang thing. Just seems unfair to me.

We all want a better life. A better future. We have our way, they have theirs. Doesn't mean we can't get along for the better cause.

I will debate the issue at hand, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for Europe as a whole, the countries that make up Europe, and its people.

reply to post by MarrsAttax


All of those quotes are still opinion.

WHERE'S THE STATUTE?

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reply to post by poedxsoldiervet


Nice research, and good point about "the pot calling the kettle black". But you don't go back far enough. At one time or another, each race has been a slave to the other depending on the policies of those in power. This is a grim reflection on how nations treat their own citizens. This is something that we still see to this very day, and are likely to continue until someone or something tells us not to. I hope they get here soon...

Originally posted by nenothtu
WHERE'S THE STATUTE?

I have to give it to you..

You like your Statutes

Fair enough.... not illegal in the UN sense.

Just illegal in the human rights and basic human decency sense.

And just so you know.. attacking the US invasion of Iraq is not an attack on the US people.. just your foreign policy. There's a massive difference.

reply to post by Dermo

Don't be annoyed coz your empire is collapsing and everyone hates you

See, that's where your wrong. People like you hate us, not Europeans as a whole.

And don't worry I won't be annoyed if this country(what you call empire) collapses, it's been one hell of an enjoyable ride. I'll just have to see you on the way down. Cause when we collapse, many other countries will be coming along on that ride.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by GypsK

 

One I am 50% Cherokee and 50% Irish I diddnt do anything.

You blamed Britain for this before. You are aware that Ireland was part of Britain after 1800 and for centuries before that they were a legislative provence?

Seems that the Irish are above being blamed for anything by Americans. It's like they are a cult country for some reason over the last 20 years.

I, being part Irish and all the Irish people I know hate the patronising way Americans speak about us. Especially the idiots who call themselves Irish, or use the phrase "that's the Irish in me!" just cause their great, great grandparents blew some sailor from Cork!

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by GypsK

 

As well as 300 Million Americans who were not alove at that time period. Also 100 Million Americans Ansectory came to America from 1840-1920 I dont think they had anything to do with it

Exactly, they were Europeans. Y'know, that group you are going on about?

If those who stayed in Europe during these events and didn't go to America till after them are innocent, then surely today's Euro's, hundreds of years after the events can't be stamped guilt?

If you are accusing Europeans of wrong doing hundreds of years ago (which there was a hell of a lot of) then you are basically accusing everybody today of white skin whether they are in Europe, USA or Australasia.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Weird though...Eastern Europe = America for the most part..with some African and Asian tossed in for seasoning. I recommend everyone from both sides of the pond to travel to the other side and look around, you will find that besides some rather superficial things, its pretty much the same...be it culture, government nonsense, etc. Your right...neither are white hats or black hats and arguing about how one side is better than the other is like arguing if apples are red or green.

Now THAT'S a Fact! There are even places in Romania where the land itself looks like the part of America I grew up in!

And I agree, generalizations are a dangerous thing. I believe this thread got it's start in the first place as a result of overly generalized attacks from the other side of the pond directed against "Americans", which some, including myself, clearly took exception to.

Of course, in MY case, I probably had it coming, as I tend to represent the very things they rail against.

Perhaps unfortunately, I always will. They won't change my way of thinking by putting me under fire, either.

Europe is not a country. to act that it is in all of these posts is incorrect.

it is like calling mexicans, americans, brazilians , canadians, the same people with the same history.

plus going back 100 years in history and then saying that eupeons have a very bad past is not right.

you mush keep going back and back, hundreds of years. for every single country. every type of people, follow where they travelled in the world. and see what effect they had on the different regions.

if you are going to make this thread do it properly.

Originally posted by Aree Laxyn
"In 1492 Christopher Columbus found what is to be the new world" Snap out of it! Leif Eriksson clearly found the Indians land long b4 Chris did. This is proven.

I don't know about that one but this popular misconception is quite interesting:

Q: Who is America named after?

A: AMERIGO VESPUCI


No,not the Italian merchant and cartographer Amerigo Vespucci,but Richard Ameryk,a Welshman and wealthy Bristol merchant.
Ameryk was the chief investor in the second transatlantic voyage of John Cabot- the English name of the Italian navigator Giovanni Caboto whose voyages in 1497 and 1498 laid the groundwork for the later British claim to Canada.He moved to London from Genoa in 1484 and was authorised by King Henry to search for unknown lands to the west.
On his little ship 'Matthew',Cabot reached Labrador in May 1497 and became the first recorded European to set foot on American soil,predating Vespucci by two years.
Martin Waldseemuller's great map of the world made the assumption that the name derived from a Latin version of Amerigo Vaespucci's first name but the only place the name 'America' was ever used was Bristol.
Vespucci never reached North America at all(all the early maps and trade were British), nor did he ever use the name America for his 'discovery'.
New countries or continents were always named after the surname so America would have become Vespucci land (or Vespuccia) if the Italian explorer had consciously given a name to it.

www.qi.com...

Originally posted by jam321

See, that's where your wrong. People like you hate us, not Europeans as a whole.

I don't hate or dislike or anything of the sort when it comes to Americans, that should be perfectly clear.. just the attitude of the one who wrote the original post that I was retaliating to.

If you want to see why I wrote that, check the post.. reverse the roles and you will understand. Nothing to do with the rest of ye even though I can see how it was excessively blunt and generalizing. My apologies to you

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reply to post by Dermo


dont be so hasty to let them rewrite history mate!This was illegal to the UN

jurist.law.pitt.edu...

Resolution 1441 did not authorise america the right to invade Iraq without the UN security council aproving it.If the UN did not aprove war then the only thing left was continued sanctions

I couldnt give a toss if the senates aproved it,they were waiting for UN aproval and when there security services bugged UN offices and found out there wasnt a chance in hell for a legal war they just went ahead anway as the game was already in motion

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Originally posted by JFletcher

Originally posted by djusdjus

WE DON'T CARE. Just serve us when we travel to your shabby little towns and dirty crime infested cities. :-p

Well, I think no other country wants you, that's all. At least you learn a little bit of history, real history, older than 223 years.
Btw, let's travel to Iran. Let's see who's ass is gonna be kicked

I don't know which country you're from, but if you're British, you might want to re-think that. I hear Brits are getting lumped into the same basket with Americans , Israelis, and Pakistanis there after this most recent bombing.

That's what the Iranian PRESS says, anyhow. the people are a different matter. I think an American or Brit would be relatively safe there, among the people as opposed to the military and government folks. Not so much the Israelis and Paks.

Originally posted by Dermo

Don't be annoyed coz your empire is collapsing and everyone hates you

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Explain that to all the people who still like us enough to keep pouring in.

Probably also explains where YOUR closest neighbors have disappeared to, and why they're a lot happier with their new neighbors.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Explain that to all the people who still like us enough to keep pouring in.

Like?

And that was directed towards that assface who annoyed me.. not the rest of you. Explained above.

Probably also explains where YOUR closest neighbors have disappeared to, and why they're a lot happier with their new neighbors.

Huh? Britain has disappeared somewhere?

We could only be so lucky

(That was a Joke before I have a load of Brits after me as well the Yanks)

Seriously though, you are going to have to explain that one.. Im stumped...

You are comparing what Europe did a long time ago with what the USA is doing today? A case of apples vs oranges, no?