**Attention: All U.S. Military forces**

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Yada, yada, yada... The G20 was advertised well in advance and still only three hundred show up to protest. Where were you? Now we hear the cyber revolutionaries talk tough...yady, yada, yada

Tis true you are doing an exceptional job at winning hearts and minds this day

Tis a mighty fine hook there you dangle friend, if only it were more apparent what you are fishing for.

The bait seems to be plastic and hollow in nature though! Forgive me if I find it unappetizing.

The Powers that Be can not, nor will not be defeated through pitched battles upon the streets. They though can be vanquished in the Court Rooms and Board Rooms.

Revolution has yet to secure us our freedoms and rights ever, only evolution will do that.

I can well imagine why you would want to stand in the way of that friend.

Good luck to you and yours

[edit on 26/9/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

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As men and Women Marines are Patriots.
As a fighting unit their loyalty is to their immediate leader.
Tell me to fire; I fire. There is no time for political or moral roundtables.

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You actually said, "Revolution has yet to secure us our freedoms and rights ever, only evolution will do that." Did you ever hear of 1776? If you really think you can "save the country" by evolution, well go write a letter to your congressman.

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You actually said, "Revolution has yet to secure us our freedoms and rights ever, only evolution will do that." Did you ever hear of 1776? If you really think you can "save the country" by evolution, well go write a letter to your congressman.

And have you my friend ever read the Treaties that ended the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812, the Treaty of Paris and Ghent respectively?

Have you studied any real history or what the Institutionalized text books propogate for the sake of enslaving you with an illusion.

Have you looked around well at all lately to see just what a wonderful job that Revolution did in securing rights and freedoms.

You might want to spend a bit more time reading so that you can understand the cause you are championing in odd and erratic ways so that you can better understand where you are at and how you got there if you would like to change course to somewhere better.

Prey tell your illustrious successes these past few days on the glorious revolutionary battlefields of Pittsburgh so you might better illustrate your wisdom and own ability to practice that which you preach with no discernable clarity.

Originally posted by Bejing
reply to post by spikey

 

As men and Women Marines are Patriots.
As a fighting unit their loyalty is to their immediate leader.
Tell me to fire; I fire. There is no time for political or moral roundtables.

No one asks a roundtable.
Maybe just some critical thought, would suffice.

Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by crimvelvet

 

Most in the military are patriots?

Really?

Certainly not in the Marine corps though eh?

What's their motto again?

Corps, god THEN country isn't it? Seems to me, their first allegiance is to the Marines and their officer class, then to god, and finally to the people.

Guess that means if the officer class tells them to slaughter the people, they will...

Tobegin withm excuse the poor spelling and punctuation here, I wrecked my car and it damaged my laptop whn it hit the dashboard - but our motto is Semper Fidelis, a latin phrase meaning "always faithful" That's unbreakable, eternal faith to our brothers, our country, our consitution, and those whom we pleged to defend wih our sweat and blood

Not everyone i going to uphold these stadards of course, but it's a gross misunderstandng and a horrible decision to judge the many by the ctions of the few; we owe NO allegiance to anyone who kinowingly orders us to act unlawfully, and any Marinewth a conscience knows how to respond tosuch an rder

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Freedom WAS won.
Freedom WAS lost.
Not by design, but by lack of interest.

These troops haven't been called into federal service; they are the Pennsylvania National Guard as well as the New York National Guard- both operating by authority of the governor of Pennsylvania. There is no conflict, as these troops have not been federalized.; they are operating under the auspices of the state, with E. Rendell as their commander in chief.
The National Guard is a state militia, until called upon by the President to become federalized troops.
link


The Posse Comitatus Act only refers to federalized troops.

KEY EXCEPTIONS TO THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT
A summary of key exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act follows:3
• National Guard forces operating under the state authority of Title 32 (i.e., under state rather than federal service) are exempt from Posse Comitatus Act restrictions.

link

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Freedom WAS won.
Freedom WAS lost.
Not by design, but by lack of interest.

So in other words no you have not read these key critical documents or have any inkling just when, where and how the experiment in government went wrong?

Thanks for clarifying that in your evasive manner.

Would seem the lack of interest is something you are quite familiar with!

Thanks for pointing this out!

You know I think I'm going to get a copy of the Constitution make copies and give them to everyone..People obviously need a reminder! I know people I talk to have no idea their rights are being violated and just think I am paranoid. Maybe a complete idiots guide would work....

S&F

Why should we wait until they bring the fight to us:



[edit on 26-9-2009 by grayhawkz1]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Freedom WAS won.
Freedom WAS lost.
Not by design, but by lack of interest.

So in other words no you have not read these key critical documents or have any inkling just when, where and how the experiment in government went wrong?

Thanks for clarifying that in your evasive manner.

Would seem the lack of interest is something you are quite familiar with!

What is your point? We never did have any freedom, so we should just accept what we have? I have lived long enough to see our freedoms be slowly snatched away by TPTB as the public is made into mindless entertainment freaks who accept anything as OK as long as they can watch Dancing with the Stars one more time. If you are content with slavery, so be it!

Listen. I totally understand what you are saying. And I would normally agree with you in most situations.

However this summit is known to attract "Anarchists" that go, not to protest, to be as disruptive as possible. And they will use any means necessary to disrupt the meetings.

I can't condone the activity of these protesters. They are crossing the line when they start destroying property.

And it's the job of the police to keep them from doing that.

As an aside. If some hooligans were outside trying to burn down your garage and break your windows. You'd be well within your rights to shoot them to protect your property.

I don't see much of a difference here. These aren't peaceful protests.

Originally posted by downtown436
Blasting U.S. civilians with sound cannons is a violation of Posse Comitatus! en.wikipedia.org...

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States. The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

Your duty to the constitution is to disobey illegal orders!

Freedom loving citizens will support you only as long as you protect the constitution!

Failure to do so will result in a civil war that will leave a bloody stain on American History!

This message is brought to you by peace loving Americans that want a nice place to do business, and raise our kids, if you want the same please stand with us on the right side of history.

How you can connect a new technology to and its applications with the Posse Comitatus left me in a serious state of befuddlement. Any new technology by its nature breaks the old rules. Those who invent more advanced technologies have the view, so sue me. Those at its mercy scream; "its not fair"!

Sonic cannons just present a new battlefield respone. Everything from the Gattling gun to the submarine to "reading other gentlemens mail". Are you saying there CAN BE an artificial restriction on technologies between the states? I agree with what I think is your premiss some technologies can only be employed with in the light of the Constitution and states rights fully understood. The states that border Mexico could reduce people comming accross our borders by using land mines. That would violate the unspoken aggreements that allow a certain percentage of people to breach our borders by design, as a safety valve for corrupt countries like Mexico, etc.

My greatest concern is the use of non-lethal weapons that can inflict pain but don't wound you in the physical sense. Anti-personal microwave weapons are a great example. You feel like your burning alive, and with no damage to your body that can go on as long as your jailor dosen't get to board. Or they keep paying you. As a NRA member, I really do believe people hurt other people, not a mind less technology. I would like to hear your views on his.

Originally posted by grey580
Listen. I totally understand what you are saying. And I would normally agree with you in most situations.

However this summit is known to attract "Anarchists" that go, not to protest, to be as disruptive as possible. And they will use any means necessary to disrupt the meetings.

I can't condone the activity of these protesters. They are crossing the line when they start destroying property.

And it's the job of the police to keep them from doing that.

As an aside. If some hooligans were outside trying to burn down your garage and break your windows. You'd be well within your rights to shoot them to protect your property.

I don't see much of a difference here. These aren't peaceful protests.

Did you ever see cops dress up like protestors and instigate law breaking to give other cops a reason to attack real peaceful protestors, to gain support of the people in their reckless assualt on liberty?

[edit on 26-9-2009 by romanmel]

Originally posted by kosmicjack

"Tyranny cannot come to the door of any American unless it comes in uniform. If police officers and soldiers will not enforce tyranny, it will never be enforced."

Jack McLamb

I have an intense disregard for the source, but unfortunately he's right.

I like the quote, but unfortunately if you look and listen to the officers (I use the term loosely) at the G-20 you'll notice that they are loving every second they get to zap a helpless girl on the ground or pound someone's head with a stick.

When I watch the training going on today regarding "crowd control" and see them practicing against Americans begging for them to follow the constitution and allow them to assemble, I get the idea that they are being trained to respond like Pavlov's dog.

Despite what Web Bot dude Cliff says, they can and will use enough force to control the populace. Yet... I expect some payback will occur when least expected.

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My friend I grew up and fought my first battles against the Powers that Be in the hills surrounding Pittsburgh. I have been fighting for my freedoms and the freedoms of others my entire life.

I also though know who and what and why I am fighting and how to fight for it.

All you have done is attempt to ridicule people for supposedly not doing what you have failed to do yourself and to assail their words with no clear intent, purpose or goal.

Today is a new day moving forward, yesterday is gone, lamenting yesterday will do you no good or anyone else. Rising to the challenges of today though will.

How are you rising to the challenges of today beyond assailing others for having not already won for you, that which you have not secured for yourself and lack any clear plan to do so presently?

That's the question.

Or would you like to Ya de da de da da some more?

reply to post by romanmel


Yeah those area denial weapons are the real deal, Barry Eisler, Author and several year Directorate of Operations at the CIA depicts the use of these in one of his "John Rain" books. The CIA operative John Rain who displays his creator/author's talents and intelligence explains how the microwave heats up the water molecules in your skin to leave you feeling like thousands of hot knives pressing into the skin. He goes on to explain how even the strongest men couldn't withstand it.
If they start bringing out the real tech against their citizens I would think that they have already lost the ability to control their populus without more subtle means.
Oh and for real inspiration watch the tombstone vid.


[edit on 26-9-2009 by grayhawkz1]

Peaceful protesters were treated like enemies of the state. A weapon was used on them, that never was used before on American Soil (for good reason). They've used it on terrorists, pirates, so forth, but to use the devices on students, witnesses, non protesters, is well criminal.

This was a protest, not a riot. The use of said weapons to restore order during a riot seems more believable. This was a protest.

Also, the act of bring out the "weapons" (tear gas, rubber bullets, bean bags, and sonic weaponry) on a peaceful protest attacks the very core of the Constitution.

If police used the weapons, then they are enemies of the Constitution. If the state allowed the use, then they are also guilty. If the military was involved, so forth. What does this say? They are following orders? So what, so did the Nazis.

The events that occurred were unconstitutional, in the very least. If not criminal.

The constitution as we know it, looks to be no longer viable. Every one of the police, government agents, military involved are domestic enemies, who swore oaths to uphold the constitution, and they lied.

This is just going to get worse...

They want people to act violently. They are bullying the people until they snap. At which time they arrest, injure, and/or kill them. It's sadistic. And tax dollars paid for it all...



[edit on 26-9-2009 by squidboy]

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Most care just as much for their fellow American as you do. Stop painting the entire military (including all those jarheads) with the same broad brush. You are spreading ignorance, not denying it.

Thanks, I am hoping the military has not changed too much. No one talks of it but there were a LOT of bad officers who died in 'Nam from being shot in the back. I am hoping the brain washing isn't any better than it was back then.