PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

Originally posted by aorAki
Anyway, it seems that Paul did similar 'tonguey-things'.

Er, maybe because it's the same guy?

I know that will come as a bit of a surprise to you lot, but there you go...

Nice to see Dakudo surreptitiously admit that there is a Paul and a Faul (see last sentence)

I did no such thing. It's called context. I was replying to faulcon who is foolish enough to believe that Paul is dead and her photo 'evidence' shows that 'Faul' sticks his tongue out like a reptillian.

I replied in context to her post and proved that pre-PID Paul did too - demonstrating that this PID 'evidence' is laughably ridiculous - as usual.

In the last few days alone faulcon has posted the following inane PID 'evidence':

1. Doctored videos alleging that subliminal messages were put into Paul's videos.

That proved to be a LIE.

2. Photos of 'Faul' sticking his tongue out with the inference that Paul never did this. Indeed, on PID MISS Him, the originator of this pile of crap even said:

.... here is a facial tic Billy had, that in all of my searching Paul did not seem to.
only1rad.proboards.com...

So much for PIDDERS 'research' skills, eh?

More appropriate to this thread - so much for faulcon's 'research' skills!

Either she didn't know that Paul had a habit of sticking his tongue out - just like she never even knew Paul had freckles - or she is willfully posting PID 'evidence' she knows is fake.

Either way, her claims to being a credible 'researcher' on PID can clearly be seen to be as fake as the 'evidence' she posts.

Any sane person can see this.

I'm just wondering if the 3 or 4 other posters on this thread can also see this, but are just going along with this fantasy make-believe world because they too have nothing better to do with their time than come up with ridiculous and stupid theories and pretend to themselves they are doing worthwhile 'research' - even when this 'research' is proven to be completely and utterly untrue.


:shk: :shk: :bash: :bash: :shk: :shk: :shk:

[edit on 16-11-2009 by Dakudo]

Here's another clue for you all.

sendables.jibjab.com...





[edit on 16-11-2009 by Dakudo]

Originally posted by switching yard
The following intuitive ideas are what I would call tantalizing potential leads, but I wouldn't say they are anywhere near being conclusions because they are pending much more research...

Er, quite!

Aldous and/or Julian Huxley possibly being involved

Er, Aldous Huxley died on 22 November 1963!

Possible direct involvement of Aleister Crowley

Er, he died on 1 December 1947!

:shk:

[edit on 16-11-2009 by Dakudo]

Originally posted by Dakudo

Originally posted by aorAki
Anyway, it seems that Paul did similar 'tonguey-things'.

Er, maybe because it's the same guy?

I know that will come as a bit of a surprise to you lot, but there you go...

Nice to see Dakudo surreptitiously admit that there is a Paul and a Faul (see last sentence)

I did no such thing. It's called context. I was replying to faulcon who is foolish enough to believe that Paul is dead and her photo 'evidence' shows that 'Faul' sticks his tongue out like a reptillian.

I know, it was a chance to be a smartarse and poke fun because you didn't say 'Pre PID Paul', that is all...but I did understand your original context

Originally posted by DakudoI replied in context to her post and proved that pre-PID Paul did too - demonstrating that this PID 'evidence' is laughably ridiculous - as usual.

In the last few days alone faulcon has posted the following inane PID 'evidence':

1. Doctored videos alleging that subliminal messages were put into Paul's videos.

That proved to be a LIE.

2. Photos of 'Faul' sticking his tongue out with the inference that Paul never did this. Indeed, on PID MISS Him, the originator of this pile of crap even said:

.... here is a facial tic Billy had, that in all of my searching Paul did not seem to.
only1rad.proboards.com...

So much for PIDDERS 'research' skills, eh?

More appropriate to this thread - so much for faulcon's 'research' skills!

Either she didn't know that Paul had a habit of sticking his tongue out - just like she never even knew Paul had freckles - or she is willfully posting PID 'evidence' she knows is fake.

Either way, her claims to being a credible 'researcher' on PID can clearly be seen to be as fake as the 'evidence' she posts.

Any sane person can see this.

I'm just wondering if the 3 or 4 other posters on this thread can also see this, but are just going along with this fantasy make-believe world because they too have nothing better to do with their time than come up with ridiculous and stupid theories and pretend to themselves they are doing worthwhile 'research' - even when this 'research' is proven to be completely and utterly untrue.


:shk: :shk: :bash: :bash: :shk: :shk: :shk:

[edit on 16-11-2009 by Dakudo]

Again, quoted because it is important for people to see this...now I'm wondering if I'm on ignore too...


Oh no, am I becoming 'friendly' with the enemy?

[edit on 16-11-2009 by aorAki]

Originally posted by KyoZero
So sumarize something for me...what would be the purpose of a Faul?

-Kyo

There are many possibilities. An Illuminati stooge double could step into the shoes of a popular & influential person. The imposter could then get the fans to pretty much follow any agenda the Illuminati wanted. For ex, how do you get people to willingly take a drug the CIA wanted to use for mind control ('___')? How about get a rich, famous rockstar to talk about how HE did it? It seems to have worked like a charm. After Faul did his famous "'___' interview," the "whole world went crazy," according to George Harrison.

Originally posted by aorAki
now I'm wondering if I'm on ignore too...

No, of course not! It's just that this thread is not for discussing *whether* Paul was replaced. That has already been established. We are interested in exploring what happened to him, why, who did it, etc.

I think reverse speech could reveal clues about what happened to Paul. Reverse speech seems to reveal either the truth of the matter, or at least betray what the speaker is thinking or knows.

... If human speech is recorded and played backwards, mixed amongst the gibberish at regular intervals can be heard very clear statements. These statements usually appear in short sentence form and are nearly always related to the forward speech. It appears constantly throughout language, so much so in fact, that it is believed to be a natural part of our speech processes.

The pioneer and 20 year veteran of this field, Australian David John Oates, describes Reverse Speech as another form of human communication. He states that language is bi-level, forward and reverse. As the human brain constructs the sounds of speech, it forms those sounds in such a way that two messages are delivered simultaneously. One forwards, which is the conscious mind speaking, and the other in reverse, which is the unconscious mind speaking.

The applications of this discovery are exciting. On the surface level, it can act as a sort of Truth Detector as Reverse Speech will usually correct the inconsistencies of forward speech. If a lie is spoken forwards, the truth may be communicated in reverse. If pertinent facts are left out of forward speech these may also be spoken in reverse. It can reveal hidden motive and agenda and other conscious thought processes...In the state of Oregon, it has been used in criminal investigation and its results independently verified by DNA testing in one case...

www.reversespeech.com...

Q9 What do you do with Reverse Speech?

In every situation where people are speaking and extra information is required Reverse Speech can be useful. It has been used successfully in police investigation work...

Q15 What is the difference between Backward Masking and Reverse Speech?
Backward Masking is a recording technique were words and statements are deliberately inserted backwards into the sound track, whereas Reverse Speech is a naturally occurring part of every day conversation, happening naturally with no technical manipulation...

Q17 What kind of messages do you get with Reverse Speech?
Messages come from all areas of the mind. Sometimes the can come from very matter of a fact parts of the mind and discuss normal every day topics. Other times reversala seem to come from the unconscious part of the mind and give us reasons for current behaviours and health issues. It can even predict future out comes of current behaviour. At the deepest levels of Reverse Speech statements can be found that talk about the the soul itself.

Q18 As you are talking can you hear the reversals of other people?
The simple answer is yes. The brain is constantly hearing and decoding Reverse Speech and we recognise it as instinct or gut feeling.

www.reversespeech.com...

Here are some songs that have been reversed. There are some pretty morbid reversals.

Paul is bloody



Paul, they had him murdered



at 3:40 - Pass the gun love, it kills the love, the love is cold. (reverse of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps")

at 5:27 - Worst of all, he's in the dark chills (or chilling). Remember this please. (reverse of "I am the Walrus")

at 6:14 - He said, "Get me out! Get me out!" Paul is what is. Paul is hare Krishna. It seems, Paulie is bloody (reverse of "Blue Jay Way")



At 4:57: Oh Rock Shield Pistol in August
At 5:05: Mac is new



He's dead, he's dead, etc (reverse of "Helter Skelter")



Paul is dead, really really dead



...Go ahead kill him...
Help me out here
Just kill him (air line...pull it)
[Scream] Is that it?
He's dead
[Screams continue]
All hear me, dead
...
Paul, they had him murdered



Freezone Radio interview about PID
mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com...
Reversal: www.4shared.com...

5. witchcraft
we must look at the net [Internet]
dead man on rock, he got him to win it...
he got him to win it that scares Paul, that's not reality now that he got kidnapped, forbid a worst man burn the witch, devil's fault this reality was in my (home or own)

11. Shot now, gets to the hospital if he needs it.

14. Last night, he ran off had meetings, yep, killed him. What now slipped out of the world - shook then. Even any, that means if anyone rubs me off, they'll track me. They shot him, now. Oh!

*****
It seems that the clues from reverse speech support my theory that Paul was kidnapped, possibly from a car (Death Cab for Cutie?) and shot. I believe this happened in mid to late August 1966.

... Go ahead kill him...
Help me out here
Just kill him (air line...pull it)
[Scream] Is that it?
He's dead
[Screams continue]
All hear me, dead
...
Paul, they had him murdered

Oh Rock Shield Pistol in August
He said, "Get me out! Get me out!" Paul is what is. Paul is hare Krishna, it seems. Paulie is bloody
he got him to win it that scares Paul, that's not reality now that he got kidnapped
Pass the gun love, it kills the love, the love is cold.
Shot now, gets to the hospital if he needs it.

Last night, he ran off had meetings, yep, killed him. What now slipped out of the world - shook then... They shot him, now.

Paul is bloody
dead man on rock, he got him to win it...
He's dead, he's dead, etc
Paul is dead, really really dead

Mac is new

[edit on 16-11-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

Originally posted by aorAki
now I'm wondering if I'm on ignore too...

No, of course not! It's just that this thread is not for discussing *whether* Paul was replaced. That has already been established. We are interested in exploring what happened to him, why, who did it, etc.

Aha, gotcha....

Originally posted by aorAki
Oh no, am I becoming 'friendly' with the enemy?

TRUTH is your friend.

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
It's just that this thread is not for discussing *whether* Paul was replaced. That has already been established.

Just like it was "established" that Paul never had freckles? That he never stuck his tongue out? That 'Faul' put subliminal messages in his videos?



All PROVEN LIES.

The only thing you have "established" is that you post fake 'evidence' in order to try and make equally foolish people believe in a complete hoax.

Well done!

[edit on 17-11-2009 by Dakudo]

Another release in the series Beatles Rock Band...

www.youtube.com...

It's so insidious because there is no historical accuracy whatsoever. If any young person gets the game Beatles Rock Band, they should understand that the visuals bear zero resemblance to what the group was really like and what studio recording was like.

The colorful uniforms and the gazebo are erroneous pastiche along with the prozac looks on their faces. I wonder if there is any clue in the bass drum design?

My hunch is that these silly Beatles Rock Band videos do contain some clues in them somewhere.

I've never noticed before, but there is an odd space between the CL and UB of the word CLUB on the bass drum. It's in the original album cover. It's a little odd.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by switching yard]

Originally posted by switching yard

I've never noticed before, but there is an odd space between the CL and UB of the word CLUB on the bass drum. It's in the original album cover. It's a little odd.

Interesting. I know that the bass drum, when reflected, used to say "he die":



then it was changed so that it would say "he bie."

When we started getting solo albums in the 1970's, it became obvious that the individuals who were the Beatles somehow could not repeat the same quality of music. Harrison's All Things Must Pass box set and perhaps Lennon's Imagine were the best solo efforts. However, at the time, I did like the "McCartney" solo albums and collected all of them because there was a sort of weird, 'brainwashing' feeling that I and my friends had that the Beatles were geniuses and could do no wrong.

I remember rationalizing and making excuses for some of the poor quality music by thinking it was just experimentation that didn't work very well or that "Paul" needed John there in the studio to say 'that's no good' or to help him in some way. Lennon's solo music wasn't that great, either. After All Things Must Pass, Harrison's music wasn't very good. So now I wonder whether George Martin was the main genius or if there was some other secret catalyst.

After Original Paul was replaced, some factor kicked in that kept the music at a level of genius. Whatever it was, that factor disappeared when the group broke up and went solo. However, we fans were all conditioned to believe in the genius of each of those guys and we supported them even if we knew the music wasn't as good.

The band was also known to be nonconformist and not so commercial that they would "sell out" to commercialism. So, when "Paul" went on national TV in America promoting VISA credit cards in their VISA commercial spots during his Wings Over America tour, that's when I felt like something was terribly wrong. He sold out to commercialism. I had followed The Beatles since 1964 and getting into TV commercials was something I thought they would never do. To me, they were artists not out to endorse or sell a product. It was a huge letdown to see "Paul" in TV commercials promoting credit cards.
Since then, I have felt that something went wrong, but I didn't understand it.

I think it's healthy to question the public persona of an icon. Some of my friends think I'm nuts to say Paul was killed and replaced. I suppose it could be seen as some form of libel and slander if untrue. My gut feeling is that the current version of "Paul" would not like to submit to an independent forensics exam to prove he is who he claims to be. The Italian forensics experts have already come forward and said he is not the same person as Original Paul and they went into it objectively. Their findings surprised them because they were expecting to prove it's the same person and found he is someone else.

How did Original Paul vanish? Suicide seems totally incongruent. That leaves us with an accident or murder. My instinct is the same as a lot of PID researchers... a murder that perhaps was made to look like a car crash. The only other thing would have been an accident that left him paralyzed, disfigured and unable to appear in public, but I think that's not likely to have happened. The reason I think it was a homicide is that the double stepped right in like it was perfectly timed.

After the US tour ended in 1966, we are led to believe that all four Beatles went on holiday trips for extended vacations away from each other. I now wonder if that is true or if that's a cover story for what they were really doing. I don't know, I'm open-minded. But that's when there was the big change in the group. They went from touring and performing to these 'getting away from it all' separate vacation trips and then right into the closed sessions, the lab work for Sgt Peppers. When they next appeared in public, they were a very different group with a different way of working.

It's very mysterious, this topic. For all these years, it has been in fact "above top secret."

Originally posted by switching yard
So now I wonder whether George Martin was the main genius or if there was some other secret catalyst.

After Original Paul was replaced, some factor kicked in that kept the music at a level of genius.

George Martin & maybe other Tavistock people may have helped out a bit. IMO Paul was the musical genius. Maybe they were able to maintain a high quality for a while b/c of stuff he left behind. IMO, though, the stuff after Paul was gone was not as good. I don't like post Revolver stuff as much. Just personal taste, I guess.

Some of my friends think I'm nuts to say Paul was killed and replaced. I suppose it could be seen as some form of libel and slander if untrue.

That would be extremely hard for him to prove. First of all, truth is an absolute defense. Faul is never going to put himself in the position to where it could be proven true in a court. Since he is a public figure & this is a public matter, he would have to prove malice (knowing falsehood & intent to harm) or extreme recklessness for defamation. He would never be able to show either one b/c we have researched the **** out of this & there are forensics experts who have come to the same conclusion - that he was replaced. So, no way it was a knowing falsehood. Also, it's not reckless when it's been researched so thoroughly.


[edit on 18-11-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

Faulcon, thanks for the legal clarification. I've seen bold threats on the PIA thread on ATS to the effect that PID researchers (if identified) could be sued by "Sir Paul" lawyers.

Seems to me if that were to happen, lots of info and persons might be subject to appear in court and it would be a very high profile case. I know it will never happen, but if it did could something like fingerprint comparisons be required by a judge? Could someone like Heather Mills be required to give a deposition? I think "Sir Paul" would cringe at the thought of it.

If he is who he says he is, I wonder why he doesn't prove it live on Oprah or Letterman? My conclusion is he cannot prove it because he's in fact a double. PIA proponents should get a petition going to send to "Sir Paul" requesting that he prove in an objective and independent test that he is the real JPM. Of course they wouldn't ask him to prove it because he is "above" reproach, right? Perhaps he is just above top secret.

If Paul is alive and the Paul is Dead rumour turns out to be a nasty hoax started by The Beatles themselves, and it can be proved that they perpetuated it by leaving 'clues' all over their album covers and in song lyrics, then I think it could be fairly argued that Paul has only himself to blame if people believe it.

Originally posted by switching yard
I know it will never happen, but if it did could something like fingerprint comparisons be required by a judge?

Absolutely. Since truth is an absolute defense, the defendants would have a right to prove truth. Sir Paul would have to provide blood tests, DNA samples, fingerprints, etc. The case w/ Bettina Krischbin would be relevant - that Sir Paul (allegedly) sent a stand-in to give blood in 1983:
plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Could someone like Heather Mills be required to give a deposition?

Yes. The Italian forensic experts would most definitely be called as witnesses. Everyone & everything would be gone over w/ a fine-toothed comb.

But even IF Faul could convince the court he's Paul, he would still have to prove knowing falsity & intent to harm or extreme recklessness on the part of the defendants. That is the standard for defamation in USA for public figure/public issue. He would never be able to show that.

My conclusion is he cannot prove it because he's in fact a double.

Bingo. And that is why he would never put himself under a court's jurisdiction where it could force him to provide proof he is Paul.

PIA proponents should get a petition going to send to "Sir Paul" requesting that he prove in an objective and independent test that he is the real JPM.

Not a bad idea...

Faul admitting Paul is dead