PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

You guys are amazing. So, the walrus was Paul... Sir Law was Monty. Monty had official doubles... A very famous one named ME Clifton James. I can't tell them apart.

... Perhaps the most famous political decoy, soldier M.E. Clifton James successfully impersonated General Bernard Montgomery ("Monty") for intelligence purposes during World War II.[7] In 1940, James acted in an Army production called When Knights Were Bold and his photograph appeared in an Army newspaper with a remark about how much he resembled General Montgomery. As a result, he was approached by actor David Niven in May 1944. Niven, then a Colonel in the Army Kinematograph Section, told James he was wanted to impersonate "Monty", as this would allow Montgomery to be somewhere else, so confusing the Germans. James had to learn Montgomery's gestures, mannerisms, gait and voice and had to give up smoking. Because James had lost his right-hand middle finger in the First World War, a realistic replacement was made. Even his wife had to be deceived and was both kept in the dark and sent back to Leicester. Once he was trained, his trip as "Monty" was to Gibraltar and from there to Algiers. "Monty's" presence succeeded in confusing the Germans in regard to the invasion plans...
en.wikipedia.org...

Was John telling us about Paul's official double?

[edit on 10-11-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
You guys are amazing. So, the walrus was Paul... Sir Law was Monty. Monty had official doubles... A very famous one named ME Clifton James. I can't tell them apart.

Faulcon,

If we didn't know better we'd conclude that Sir Bernard Law had been cloned? The exact same ear cartilage is amazing if the double never underwent plastic surgery. What has me puzzled is that if the British wanted the Germans to think incorrectly about the location of a military action, Monty could have gone there himself. But since when do you make strategic assumptions just because a commander takes a trip? The cover story just doesn't pass the mustard gas test, something doesn't smell right.

Well, I think the Allies were faking a huge invasion w/ fake tanks, etc, at Pas du Calais, so maybe that's what they were talking about?

Maybe there were clones in existence back then - conveniently "found" when the time was right...

The SOE was using plastic surgery back in WWII on doubles who had been compromised.

Doubles & plastic surgery
plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Interesting tidbit...

I think we've all seen this excellent video "Changing Paul"...

www.youtube.com...

only now I notice 6 days ago someone wrote in the comments section...

"this guy is a man called Pete Price, we in Liverpool know the truth"

Did someone mean that as a joke or is that a serious comment? Not sure. I do find chilling the remark "we in Liverpool know the truth"

Maybe the phrase "this guy" is in reference to the interviewer and not Faul?



[edit on 10-11-2009 by switching yard]

interview with Dave McGowan about Laurel Canyon:
zephreport.podomatic.com...

Originally posted by switching yard
"this guy is a man called Pete Price, we in Liverpool know the truth"

Did someone mean that as a joke or is that a serious comment? Not sure. I do find chilling the remark "we in Liverpool know the truth"

Maybe the phrase "this guy" is in reference to the interviewer and not Faul?

This probably was in reference to the interviewer.

Pete Price

Maybe Pete Price was in the know, thus people around him found out?

About the Pete Price thing, on the wiki page (link above by Getsmart) there is this paragraph...

"Price was sent to an institution in Chester to receive aversion therapy when he came out to his mother at age eighteen. He left a further day later after being exposed to people being "treated" using electrodes. A few days later he recognised one of the psychiatrists from the institution in a gay bar. Price couldn't control his anger and assaulted the psychiatrist. The psychiatrist did not wish to press charges and Price kept the events in the institution, and why he assaulted him, a secret. However, in 1993, after stories been coming out of others being treated this way in hospitals he decided to go public with his story, in order to encourage more people to come forward."

I just think it's interesting about the ECT (electro-shock therapy). The treatment of mental patients seems to be a theme on the periphery of our PID investigation.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that Tavistock Clinic in London was, we believe, into mind control experiments and social (group) engineering. One would imagine they studied and perhaps used mental patients in experiments. If Faul had been in mental therapy or 'aversion therapy' which may have included electro-shock therapy and now let's say that Pete Price played the role of interviewer for the famous "Paul admits using drugs" interview, then one could deduce that the interview was a phony set-up using two mental patients who had both been through electr-shock therapy and God knows what else in the clutches of Tavistock controllers.

Looking at Beatles history, it seems like too many mental patients were involved at least on the periphery. But, there may have been many more mental patients or people involved in mind control than has ever been made public.

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Here's more about Aversion Therapy...

en.wikipedia.org...

Seems to me if a clinic had a prisoner and they were intensively training the individual to become a convincing double for someone else, Aversion Therapy might be one way to do it. If the person plays the part of his target convincingly he is rewarded, but if he falters and reverts back to the behavior or characteristics if his former identity then he is given painful electric shocks. While they are training in this way, they are erasing memory of the previous identity (and its personality/mannerisms) by using ECT in addition to the daily punishment shocks. So, Aversion Therapy in combination with ECT may be useful in changing someone into a double for someone else.

De-program original identity then program in the new identity (which is a copy of the target).

Originally posted by switching yard
I suppose what I'm getting at is that Tavistock Clinic in London was, we believe, into mind control experiments and social (group) engineering...

Tavistock Institute & social conditioning
plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Looking at Beatles history, it seems like too many mental patients were involved at least on the periphery. But, there may have been many more mental patients or people involved in mind control than has ever been made public.

My latest blog post talks about Charles Manson...

How music is used to manipulate people
plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Unfortunately, it seems that those who first underwent Aversion Therapy were the ones operating the Tavistock Institute and our respective Intelligence Agencies. I personally knew someone who worked in administering Aversion Therapy shock treatments who was later given shock therapy themselves. I thought it was to remove all memory of what they'd seen and known, but now think it is to control the controllers. Those were the early days, later at the time of The Beatles they had probably reversed the order of who gets the first sessions.


A few carefully orchestrated Shock Therapies later and the have all become totally Averse to honesty, truth, decency or the respect of human life. From there on it becomes child play to use them as pawns of a board game to manipulate doubles as well as society at large. Get to the shrinks and you'll have a handle on what has been the darkest under current in today's mental manipulation of humanity. But don't blame the individuals: to get your psychiatric specialist certification at Stanford University today some electrode tingling is part of the deal, just to make sure you've understood.


[edit on 11-11-2009 by Getsmart]

My uncle was subjected to electro-shock treatment. He was in the military during the Vietnam War. I think the shrinks definitely deserve some serious scrutiny. IMO, anyone who could do that to another being is just plain EVIL.

Yes, these techniques are creepy. And to think that before they got into ECT, they were doing things like lobotomy. Sticking knitting needles up into the frontal lobes and actually scrambling brains. They did that to Kennedy's sister.

I think I read that with Manchurian Candidates, they use deep hypnosis, very special psyche drugs (including Sandoz pure '___'), and subliminal programming to plant trigger symbols which can be words, sounds, visual, etc. Probably some other so-called 'brainwashing' techniques are used, as well. When arrested, many of these Manchurian Candidates have little or no memory of what they did or why because forgetting is part of the program. This is all MK-Ultra stuff, well-known since the early '60s.

A double taking the place of Paul McCartney would have undergone, I speculate, many if not all of the MK-Ultra techniques mentioned above only administered by Tavistock in their way of doing those things. I would like to know more about how the Tavistock techniques for mind control were either the same as MK-Ultra or in what ways different. My guess is that Tavistock was big on '___', ECT, and Aversion Therapy.

Project Bluebird...

www.wanttoknow.info...

Maximum use of ECT.

Of course, this is referenced in the song on the Band On The Run album when Faul uses that strangely trance-like, almost feminine, child-like voice "I'm a bluebird, yeah, yeah, yeah..."

Chilling.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by switching yard]

The guy in this German video, and especially in the black & white photo at the end of the video just could not be Original Paul. You can just see it's at least one double maybe even two doubles...

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by switching yard
I think I read that with Manchurian Candidates, they use deep hypnosis, very special psyche drugs (including Sandoz pure '___'), and subliminal programming to plant trigger symbols which can be words, sounds, visual, etc. Probably some other so-called 'brainwashing' techniques are used, as well. When arrested, many of these Manchurian Candidates have little or no memory of what they did or why because forgetting is part of the program. This is all MK-Ultra stuff, well-known since the early '60s.

I have read that there are satanic ritualistic abuse involved in creating alters. My personal opinion is that creating alters isn't about "splitting the mind," as in creating multiple points of focus (not possible in this dimension), but is actually involving multi-dimensional beings. Victims, such as Sirhan Sirhan, might not remember b/c there weren't actually there.

Originally posted by switching yard
Project Bluebird...

Of course, this is referenced in the song on the Band On The Run album when Faul uses that strangely trance-like, almost feminine, child-like voice "I'm a bluebird, yeah, yeah, yeah..."

And at last we will be free... I put this in my post about Faul being linked to intell at

plasticmacca.blogspot.com... He may very well be a victim. Not sure what Faul is all about yet.

Oh, & about Faul in the German video... Yeah, there's a lot of debate in the PID community about whether there was always one Faul or maybe multiple ones. I honestly don't know. It seems like there were at least 2 to me, but it could have been photo-tampering & use of Paul disguises for lack of a better description that just makes it seem like more than one Faul. So, imo, that one is still TBD.

[edit on 12-11-2009 by faulconandsnowjob]

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
Latest IAAP PID video:

Yes and it is a fraud, as usual.

The new Rotten Apple is out. And there is just another instance of Iamaphoney, cutting audio-material to fit his argumentation. :

(The guys at NIR found this, btw.)


from 2:00 to 2:07 (in Lennon's voice), "We just auditioned people, you know, and we came up with this guy and we knew, we knew his work, and we said, all right, he's a phony, you know..."?



..so in the video this clearly is intended to make it appear as if John was speaking about the recruitment of the fake Paul.


in reality the quote comes from this interview:

books.google.com... hl=en&ei=YeL6SoGPDdGFnAe6u5z2DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The quote pertains to Alun Owen, who wrote their dialogue for A Hard Day's Night.

Iamaphoney=scam

Here is more proof of the FRAUD:

maccafunhouse.proboards.com...

PS Do note that the people who discovered the fraud in this latest IAAP video were PIDDERS at NIR. Not PIA people.



[edit on 12-11-2009 by edmond dantes]

Pardon the Intrusion....

There´s nothing you can see that isn´t shown...

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob
Latest IAAP PID video:

More proof that PIDDERS promote fraudulent, doctored 'evidence' to promote the Paul is dead hoax.

All they have is LIES....

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

Doubles & plastic surgery
plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

Tavistock Institute & social conditioning
plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

My latest blog post talks about Charles Manson...

How music is used to manipulate people

plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by faulconandsnowjob

And at last we will be free... I put this in my post about Faul being linked to intell at

plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

Do you think you can advertise your dusty little blog a little more faulconpoop - we may have missed it.







[edit on 12-11-2009 by Dakudo]