Did no one really get what Jones was trying to do?

I don't believe he meant to actually "Hoax" anyone. Especially after watching his "Apology Video". No Conspiracy here folks. You don't need to make it into something so complex. Sometimes the truth actually is as "Simple" as someone making an honest mistake. That's why I try not to be too quick to Judge.

Anyways, I just watched his Video Apology. It actually makes perfect sense.

So many apologists are defending his actions as a "mistake." It was deliberate and no disclaimer was given at the start.

He's controlled to give limited opposition and distract us from the real activities occurring.

reply to post by Lillydale


First of all, David Icke really believes the lizard thing. I don't, but he does. He is not being disingenuous unless he is really pretending to believe in them to make money. The lizard thing lost him a lot of followers so if he was in it for the money he would have changed his tune after the pie in the face.

When I see David Icke stories he isn't driving a high end vehicle. His home is not huge. He's not living large, so none of the signs of doing it for the money are there.

Alex Jones is not rich either and his stuff is for free to the listener. Again, if you want to make money giving away your product for free (free radio, free web page, free DVDs) is the wrong way to go. His paltry sponsors are not making this guy rich.

Everyone needs sponsors, this is a fact. Unless you are independently wealthy, you need support.

As for the "gold" hour, if you are against paper money (and more and more people are) then why wouldn't you have a gold seller on the show? Seriously, he is not the only one talking about that. People on this website are saying to buy gold and silver.

Honestly, it feels like you are looking for things to dislike about him the way I look for things to dislike about Megan Fox.

Do I agree with everything he says? No, no, no. I disagree with the anti-environmentalism, for example. However, the time has come that the few people that have commonalities need to cling to each other in my opinion and not get splintered.

Have I snuck into Bohemian Grove? No, I'd be too afraid to. That's why I admire him for it. I've gone to protests, I've written letters, but have I tried to videotape the Bilderbergs? Hecknotechno.

Would I now? If the group was large enough? Maybe, and it is because of Alex.

reply to post by A Fortiori


Whilst I accept that as a completely valid point, with a viable outcome, do you not overlook the fact that ALex Jones is on (recent) record saying "Our number one priority is making sure you're happy about the dollars you're spending wth us" - to his advertisers(!).

There is just as big a claim, if not bigger, given the sheer scale of confusion he's caused, for being nothing but commercially motivated for what is, let's face it, a huge publicity stunt.

In other words, he's being human!!

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reply to post by TailoredVagabond


I didn't compare him to Gandhi or Jesus. I know he's human. I also know that a person in need of sponsorship on the business side of the house will say "Our number one priority is..."

I work in non-profits and we tell our "funders" and "donors" that same thing; that we want them to be happy with the work we're doing and they are a top priority to us. Our real priority is feeding, clothing, providing medicine, etc.

reply to post by angelx666


I agree. I'm calling into the network he's on because you know other people will do the opposite, put pressure on in a negative way.

All this talk about focus on the information presented is BS. What do you think most of us have been doing for several years, we have been exposing 9/11. That doesn't mean we can't point out the blatant deceptive article he posted intentionally. Even if the disclaimer was there originally it was a lame way to present the info.

So I'm suppose to believe that an article with a fake interview with Obama is going to all of a sudden be the magic bullet for 9/11 truth. This whole things is flawed, and we had to point it out because he is seriously hurting the credibility of the whole movement.

Presenting hard core evidence that is controversial within a article that consist of a fake interview that is meant to get the MSM to check it out is too convoluted. How do explain all this to someone who isn't up on 9/11, they would be utterly confused by all of this explaining.

It is not a big story that "I want an interview with the President" it would have been if he would have actually gotten the interview.

FAIL

And Alex and company have never heard of a preview button?

Running a website myself all this sounds really lame and he is back peddling because he screwed up with his little stunt, and he thought he could pull it off. It blew up in his face and he realized it. He even stated on Wednesday that "maybe hackers prevented the disclaimer from being posted" No one knew there was a disclaimer to begin with because we thought it was real for the first hour. Just silliness.

Mod Edit: Link removed. Cheers -alien

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Originally posted by infinite
He's controlled to give limited opposition and distract us from the real activities occurring.

Stop "real activities" Like ... Starting an international campaign to post Obama Joker poster everywhere possible...? Like Starting the 9/11 truth movement and We are Change ..... like making 10+ videos exposing the NWO with bulletproof facts and info.... Like doing 4 hours a day spreading the word....

I mean What in the heck are you talking about keeping YOU from doing real activity's? No one is keeping you from doing Jack, I'm sick of people in this movement for the entertainment value. They keep digging and theorizing well beyond whats real to keep themselves entertained because that's all this is to them entertainment. They need to make things up for themselves anymore.

Alex is the real deal, no one on earth is holding you back. Your response is nonsense.

"limited opposition" like .... Glenn Beck?? I mean I think your sadly confused here.

Go ahead bash me for knowing whos pulling the most weight in this movement and standing up for the truth about the man.

reply to post by JustGetThere


The fact is that Alex doesn't do his own website so we are just guessing as to what happened, both for and against Alex.

I think it was a mistake made in haste. You may believe differently.

I'm almost 100% sure that it was an IT error, but don't try to tell that to people are convinced AJ is the anti-Christ. *sarcasm*

reply to post by TheLasersShadow


Again, there is that adage about all press is good press, and this is definitely getting press. When O'Reilly calls him a pinhead people will go over (because we love trainwrecks and message boards) to the Jones site. When that happens they will start to read. If this becomes a big enough mess, Fox will have him on because they will think they are smug enough to tear him apart.

Thanks to the poster who added this thread!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Government was trying to say something w/ 9/11

so they made up a story about Osama and his 18 terrorists and Saddam and his penis shaped nukes.

Now we screwed ourselves over because of a story.

reply to post by die_another_day


Ummm, yeh?

not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but its good to see that the story has made Reuters www.reuters.com...

Y'know, it's discussions like this that just prove how stupid and closeminded people can be. It's very patently obvious that the article was an example of an IT problem, as I've had similar information garbling when trying to view a site overrun with traffic. I don't understand it entirely, but it seems they upload the articles in finished format to the site remotely through some kind of device, and depending on the amount of traffic, some of the information is interrupted and prevented final publish. Much is similar, as I said, viewing a site hit by busy traffic where only half of the page's content is viewable and perhaps its format completely obliteratred.

There's no conspiracy here, folks. Mr. Jones was not trying to discredit you. Do you see any headlines declaring "9/11 Truth Movement is Discredited by Hoax Interview with President?" No. You don't. Instead you see stories about Charlie Sheen trying to reopen a 9/11 investigation with a screenplay format letter to the President.

And that was what Alex Jones was actually trying to announce. He was announcing that Charlie Sheen, mainstream celebrity, was breaking three years of silence on the subject and daring to write to our new President to demand a new 9/11 investigation. Anything about a nefarious plot to destroy the movement by both Mr. Jones and Mr. Sheen is purely constructed by YOURSELVES. Not everything is a conspiracy. Some things are just accidents and mistakes. This was purely technology screwing up and Alex's lack of forethought that maybe a disclaimer should have been at the top instead of the bottom.

Take a chill pill, folks. Paranoia can be a good thing, but if you get to be too paranoid, you become the very sort of nut our detractors claim we are. The intent of all this was to challenge President Obama, not destroy the Truth movement.

reply to post by wycky


This is exactly what I was talking about. Charlie is like Lady GaGa. Yes, you heard me. Lady GaGa. Living, breathing performance art. What he did was create a controversy that would be so "hit" on the Internet that it would go viral. Yes, some are calling him nuts, but others are arguing that he's not so nuts.

Again, I think it was brilliant.

For those that argue his "means" I argue that not for one second did I think (with or without disclaimer) that Barak Obama took time off to talk to Charlie Sheen about 9-11 of all things when he won't even give Ellen DeGeneres twenty minutes to talk about Michelle. So in my opinion it wasn't a deception. We are all supposedly cynical, critical thinkers and we tell ourselves that every day, but somehow we are saying that this fooled us?

*shakes head*

I don't think so.

reply to post by Kojiro


Yes, we're all so used to looking for an angle that we see one when nothing is there.

reply to post by A Fortiori


S & F for you!

You know I came across this yesterday but did not respond becuase I wasn't upset at the ploy Alex had used but I was a bit taken aback by it.

Now that this 'fabled interview' has taken affect, medias are covering it, the old Limbaugh-ster and of coarse sheens you tube video. I have to admit that this was a success, yes It pissed some followers off but get over it, it has fulfilled it's purpose, to generate a new wave of truthers, to reignite th fire in us. Hell it did in me!

I have a lot of respect for these two men here. Of coarse they knew it would be controversial and piss people off, but they were willing to look like jerks, to get the word out. Thats powerful.

reply to post by Jessicaviv


Yes, yes. Lose face and supporters. Huge gamble on their part. All I can say is:

*raises fist*

Freedom!


Sorry, I've been possessed by the ghost of Zach de la Rocha

reply to post by A Fortiori


Has anybody pointed out that Jones' fake interview seems to be a ripoff/takeoff of a thread on ATS UFO and Aliens forum entitled "A Conversatoin between Obama and Aliens"?

My personal view, and Jones operates from my territory and a friend of mine works (or did) in his effort, is that Jones is a flake and has proved that time after time with his out-of-control tirades.