Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by scott3x
Can you atleast link to your alleged evidence that the plane that approached the pentagon actually hit it?

Without wanting to appear avoiding something, I am not a broker for all information online that provides details of what happnend on 9/11. There are people who are experts and have comprehensive knowledge.

Pssssssssst Mikey, the best way to avoid having to explain why you do NOT have evidence is to not claim to. You keep saying thins like "no question" and "no doubt." There are questions and there is doubt. You keep saying that it is the clear truth that things went down as you say. You must know where the proof is then. You must have seen this proof. Are you here claiming that things are true because you believe someone else says they have evidence? If you have never seen it yourself, don't you think you might be a little foolish looking when it turns out that this evidence you seem to know so intimately does not even exist?

How many times have I now read that bodies were found strapped into seats and that there is photographic evidence of passenger bodies???? Why would you or anyone else keep repeating something like that when you do not even know if it is actually true? You are being duped. You have been taken for a fool and are being used as a pawn to go out and spread lies.

You sir are what is called insulation.

It is really not even funny. It is sad to see people so desperately repeating things over and over and over again, both begging and demand people believe it and that person has not even seen this evidence themselves.

You have officially become the 67 year old woman screaming for government to stay out of her Medicare.

Originally posted by Lillydale

How many times have I now read that bodies were found strapped into seats and that there is photographic evidence of passenger bodies???? Why would you or anyone else keep repeating something like that when you do not even know if it is actually true? You are being duped. You have been taken for a fool and are being used as a pawn to go out and spread lies.

You just keep pushing the goalposts, making new requirements as you go along to avoid facts. You have already said photographs can be faked. So what's the point of trying to go further. In your warped world everyone lied, all information was falsified, all evidence was faked.

Nothing is real. Maybe there was not attack on the Pentagon - it was all Special Effects.

Your handlers have done a great job brainwashing you. Those kids in their mom's basements with their melodramatic videos have convinced that a plane and passengers magically disappeared and some mysterious unseen missile or whatever was substituted in the crash. You offer nothing in the way of evidence, just religious conviction.

No one can convince a hardened Creationist the world goes back more than 4000 years ago. There are no photographs or videos of it's formation. Just overwhelming scientific evidence.

And that's not good enough. Right?

It may be part of a government cover-up. To steal from you and deprive you of your rights. Right?

There's a word the inability to cope with reality.


M





[edit on 30-9-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael
No one can convince a hardened Creationist the world goes back more than 4000 years ago. There are no photographs or videos of it's formation. Just overwhelming scientific evidence.

Avoiding the topic of the thread... deflecting...

Everything from mmiichael, except his proof to substantiate his claim that passenger bodies were found strapped to airline seats.

Is anyone keeping score for how many times mmiichael has been asked to prove his claim?

Originally posted by mmiichael


You just keep pushing the goalposts, making new requirements as you go along to avoid facts.

Yes, you caught me. I have moved the goal posts from evidence of passenger bodies allllll the waaaaaaaaaaaay down to evidence of passenger bodies. You know people can just read this stuff and see that you are just making that up right?

You have already said photographs can be faked.

OOOOh I guess not. That one is going to sting a little. Where is my quote? What exactly did I say? I am pretty sure you are just making this up as well.

So what's the point of trying to go further. In your warped world everyone lied, all information was falsified, all evidence was faked.

Nice try but I need to be presented evidence before I can dismiss it as fake. You certainly have not shown me any.

Nothing is real. Maybe there was not attack on the Pentagon - it was all Special Effects.

Your handlers have done a great job brainwashing you. Those kids in their mom's basements with their melodramatic videos have convinced that a plane and passengers magically disappeared and some mysterious unseen missile or whatever was substituted in the crash. You offer nothing in the way of evidence, just religious conviction.

What have you offered in the way of evidence to prove AA77 crashed into the Pentagon again?

No one can convince a hardened Creationist the world goes back more than 4000 years ago. There are no photographs or videos of it's formation. Just overwhelming scientific evidence.

And that's not good enough. Right?

Actually, creationists believe the world is 6000 years old but I am not one. I need evidence.

Let me see if I really hear you.

Creationists are morons for not believing the world is older than "4000" years old because they just have faith.

You believe AA77 crashed into the Pentagon based on NO evidence whatsoever. Sound familiar?

It may be part of a government cover-up. To steal from you and deprive you of your rights. Right?

There's a word the inability to cope with reality.
M

What???? There is a word the inability to cope with reality? That is 6 words. Now I see what the problem is.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Is anyone keeping score for how many times mmiichael has been asked to prove his claim?

No I lost count adding up the times he was asked to get back on topic and all the times he was asked to actually answer the questions that he was actually asked.

It is getting so you can script what these "OS" believers are going to say every day. The play has barely changed and if this is representative of the way all the OS promoters are behaving then it is no wonder that more and more people are starting to have doubts.

So basically the "truth movement" is about as close to proving that the OS is bs as you guys failing to show why the cameras on the pentagon roof couldn't even catch a single glimpse of the plane? Disappointing, but not unexpected I suppose. The lack of evidence that didn't come from a labratory is also disappointing. We've seen how almost everything thats been collected, is contradicted by more evidence that was gathered. Seems like the officials cherry picked to fit the official story. And I know that this solves nothing and neither side would accept the results of a new investigation, there is no unbiased people to do the investigation. The whole 9/11 situation was a complete fail for anyone not involed. Its all a bunch of circles...

Originally posted by Lillydale
Creationists are morons for not believing the world is older than "4000" years old because they just have faith.

You believe AA77 crashed into the Pentagon based on NO evidence whatsoever. Sound familiar?

Anyone older than 15 with access to a decent education system who believes the world is only a few thousand years old is out of touch with reality.

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates it was formed billions of years ago. Although photos and videos of this event are lacking.

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates Flight A77 crashed into the Pentagon.

But there will always be a handful of people clinging to unsupportable beliefs.

M

Originally posted by mmiichael


Anyone older than 15 with access to a decent education system who believes the world is only a few thousand years old is out of touch with reality.

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates it was formed billions of years ago. Although photos and videos of this event are lacking.

Uh huh, yeah um.....not arguing the veracity of Creationism with you. Wander off topic when you are running from direct scrutiny much?

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates Flight A77 crashed into the Pentagon.

Can you even read my posts? You have said this more than enough times. Do you think that repetition bears truth? Say it again and keep pretending that we have not moved on to the next step which is to show that overwhelming evidence.

But there will always be a handful of people clinging to unsupportable beliefs.

Like AA77 crashing into the Pentagon? or did you come up with that overwhelming evidence yet?

Apologies for not knowing much about this, but were DNA tests done?

Even if the passengers were turned into a red patch in the debris by the collision, there would still be viable DNA found. DNA is very hardy.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
Apologies for not knowing much about this, but were DNA tests done?

Even if the passengers were turned into a red patch in the debris by the collision, there would still be viable DNA found. DNA is very hardy.

Of course. There was all kinds of "hardy" DNA found and tested. It was easy to find because the plane vaporized so it was not in the way.

oh and p.s. according to the "official" DNA results there were no Arab men on the plane. For some reason the OSers keep avoiding that fact.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by Lillydale]

reply to post by LightFantastic

Originally posted by LightFantastic
Apologies for not knowing much about this, but were DNA tests done?

Even if the passengers were turned into a red patch in the debris by the collision, there would still be viable DNA found. DNA is very hardy.

Where did you get this notion that DNA is hardy? I have heard the opposite, that DNA is fairly sensitive to heat; and it was all allegedly found in the vicinity of a fireball so powerful it broke through the outer wall. In truth, the outer wall was probably broken by a wall breaking kit (explosives does wonders for breaking down walls; "fireball" indeed.), but I'm going by the official story here. Can you atleast consider the possibility that if DNA samples of the alleged AA 77 passengers were truly obtained, they weren't obtained at the pentagon at all, but rather from another location?

[edit on 30-9-2009 by scott3x]

[edit on 30-9-2009 by scott3x]

Originally posted by scott3x
Even if the passengers were turned into a red patch in the debris by the collision, there would still be viable DNA found. DNA is very hardy.

Where did you get this notion that DNA is hardy?

Come on, it must be hardy if it can survive the circumstances that will completely disintegrate an entire plane. But anyway, recently I was reading about how the DNA had to be hardy because the sea creatures that live on volcano shafts in the Ocean. What they left out was that DNA is plenty hardy while it is still part of a living organism. Apparently certain proteins the body produces helps to protect DNA from things like heat. The problem is that when people die, their body stops generating these proteins.

My problem is not so much with the fact that any DNA collection from the Pentagon "crash" scene is laughable at best. I do not understand why when these people pushing this story do not acknowledge that according to those DNA tests they want to cite as proof, no Arab men were found.

It seems to me that either there was no DNA to collect or there was but the plane was not hijacked by 5 Arab men. Either way doesn't the OS fall apart?

Originally posted by scott3x
Where did you get this notion that DNA is hardy?

Yes it is fairly sensitive to sustained temperatures above 90deg C but is still known as a hardy molecule. Even in the worst explosions etc usually enough is left intact to get a good sample. Most cooked meat can be DNA typed.

For example, the 'Smart Water' used to identify property is DNA based and very difficult to get rid of without destroying the object.

Originally posted by LightFantastic

Originally posted by scott3x
Where did you get this notion that DNA is hardy?

Yes it is fairly sensitive to sustained temperatures above 90deg C but is still known as a hardy molecule. Even in the worst explosions etc usually enough is left intact to get a good sample. Most cooked meat can be DNA typed.

For example, the 'Smart Water' used to identify property is DNA based and very difficult to get rid of without destroying the object.

Where was the cooked meat at the Pentagon? I think what you are missing here is that this DNA was sooooooooooo hardy that it withstood the same heat and force the destroyed the bodies and the plane carrying that DNA. What exactly were they getting these hardy samples from?

reply to post by Lillydale


I found this slideshow presentation from a group that appears to be unbiased when it comes to 9/11 -- looks like a PowerPoint lecture for those who are in the know about forensic DNA analysis.

Look at pages 9 and ten, especially.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Lillydale

 

I found this slideshow presentation from a group that appears to be unbiased when it comes to 9/11 -- looks like a PowerPoint lecture for those who are in the know about forensic DNA analysis.

Look at pages 9 and ten, especially.

Cant install flashplayer 9 on this computer but thanks all the same because LINKS have been such great evidence so far.

reply to post by Lillydale


OK.

Try this on for size:

The remains found in the rubble of the Lorraine Apartments more than a week ago have been identified as human, a spokesman for the state medical examiner said.

The remains are presumed to be those of Robert Taylor, the 70-year-old handyman who died in the Dec. 14-15 blaze after two firefighters attempted to rescue him from his smoke-filled third-floor apartment. Terrell Harris, spokesman for the state Office of the Medical Examiner, said that because no other deaths have been reported, the remains are presumed to be Taylor's, though testing at this point has shown only that they are human.

Officials have been awaiting DNA analysis from the State Police crime laboratory for more than a week, after tissue was found during an intensive search of the Middle Street rubble on Dec. 28 and 29.

Mayor Carolyn Kirk announced during her Jan. 1 inauguration speech that Taylor's remains had been discovered. Fire Chief Barry McKay later confirmed to the Times that the remains were believed to be human.

The medical examiner was unwilling to call the remains human until yesterday, when it received a DNA analysis. Before then, the state said the remains could have been either human or animal.

www.gloucestertimes.com...

in my 1861 Webster's unabridged dictionary there is the following definition:


Apocalypse: (definition #2). "When all is revealed"

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I am sorry, what plane vaporizing explosion was this again?

reply to post by weedwhacker


More pertinent to the Pentagon:

Little is known about the psychological effects of handling human remains after violent death.' Although significant levels of stress are often reported among rescue workers and short-term stress-related symptomatology and psychiatric illness are common after exposure to mass death, it is often assumed that health care providers are immune from such stressful reactions.

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In this brief article, observations and experiences of 10 uniformed health care workers who conducted body recovery operations in the aftermath of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, are presented. Group members were contacted by the lead author using electronic mail correspondence and interviewed after obtaining their consent with the understanding that the material may be used in a publishable manuscript. Their experiences and sentiments, although not under empiric study, describe the sheer variety of emotional responses before, during, and after exposure to the dead and coping strategies one may encounter in the wake of a sudden, devastating, man-made disaster. Such variety challenges the notion of emotional immunity against the emotional impact of such an event among health care workers and draws interesting parallels with existing literature describing experiences of recovery workers.

Full story is at this link.