New York Times - racist attacks on white Americans and just plain old bias

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by FantasmaTaans
Actually it was his first, and it was only for a week.

I guess that the tax payer funded night out with his wife doesn't count.

And I think this one is longer than a week. Did some time at Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, then off to the Vineyard to murder Teddy.

[edit on 29-8-2009 by jerico65]

BS, I was in Phoenix at the time he came, he did a town hall and a speech in ASU, he was downtown and in Tempe.

reply to post by FantasmaTaans


Are you calling BS to Obama having visited the Grand Canyon?

Obama Grand Canyon Visit

Also, states in the article that he was at Yellowstone the day before he went to the Grand Canyon.

Yeah if a white man comes out a makes a statement like that he's a racist but if a black man does he's just telling you how it is right?

Talk about unfair bias...We see racism and reverse racism all the time. The media is now using it to establish the coverage they want. Unfortunately, the numbers they are claiming are showing up to these pro-obama events are nowhere near the actual numbers. The media is now 100% b.s. Hence why most of you are on here I would assume- because you want the truth, not the truth mixed in and changed by lies.

It seems like everyone's throwing around the racism card a lot more than they ever were except this time it's not being used based on what it represents, its being used as a fear factor/provoker.

I suggest people rely on themselves and not the wall street journal or new york post for accurate news.

Originally posted by IKnowNothing
reply to post by FantasmaTaans

 

Are you calling BS to Obama having visited the Grand Canyon?

Obama Grand Canyon Visit

Also, states in the article that he was at Yellowstone the day before he went to the Grand Canyon.

No he was there, I'm saying it wasn't vacation, more like business travel.
If you're there why not check out the sights? It's like literally 50degrees cooler up there than PHX why not?

yea ive been getting sick of this blatant accept for racism against the whites

its almost like they are trying to start race wars

it seems they are doing anything they can in order to get the most people fighting that they can

ive never seen so many groups placed against each other and supported in the msm

i do know it wont last forever, war will break out before long if these irresponsible people in power dont quit F' in around

I tried. I really did. But I cannot read this thread.

Obama is half-black, half-white. So if I'm racist, then I must hate myself because I'm white.

I don't give a rats behind what color he is and I know of NO ONE who doesn't like Obama and his actions because he's half-black.

I couldn't care less about skin color. I care about the actions of said person. I do believe that Obama's actions have hurt this country in a big way. THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE HIM!!!!

My reasons for not liking him have nothing to do with race. Please, quit calling me a racist because I don't agree with what Obama does.

For the record, I hate Bush just as much and have said so numerous times. I also hate Clinton, Bush 1,on and on. They are all crooks and liars, from the Pres on down to the city and state level. The corruption in every facet of government is so sickening that I fear there is no way out of this conundrum. People are corrupt at all levels of government.

Now, to address the topic originally put forth in this thread, there is a reason why I don't pay attention to the MSM. They are just as corrupt as the government so I give them no attention. It's not worth it to listen to drivel, lies, obfuscation, fear and propaganda.

One more thing: I do NOT like the assumption that I have never read a history book outside of school. I'm finishing up The Creature From Jekyll Island right now - all about a bunch of evil white men. Where's my racism showing there, huh? I have read, in my forty one laps around the sun, quite a few books. So please don't talk down to me like I am a little child that doesn't know anything and has never researched anything.

Do NOT assume ANYTHING about me because you do not know me, have never met me and never WILL know me. DO NOT call me a racist, DO NOT call me ignorant because I have differing views than you do, DO NOT call me anything other than The Loony, since you do not know my real name. DO NOT assume anything about me. If you do assume, well, you know the saying.

Originally posted by IKnowNothing
reply to post by FantasmaTaans

 

Are you calling BS to Obama having visited the Grand Canyon?

Obama Grand Canyon Visit

Also, states in the article that he was at Yellowstone the day before he went to the Grand Canyon.

Well, the Dear Leader has to check up on all the new stuff he owns.

reply to post by Wimbly


Most of us Americans truly are "colorblind".
But it's clear that those who call others racist for disagreeing with policies are NOT colorblind.
They just can't get over the fact that we have a black President.
Personally, I've already 'forgotten' (in a sense).
It's a non-issue.
It's ironic that those using the 'racist card' are usually the most racist of all - because they can't $*#*in' let go of Obama's skin color.

Disgusting.

Why do we have a black democrat president? That is simple- if you had before that a white , republican ,male president that sucks big time( really big) then you automatically vote for one that is opposite, -either not republican, not white or not man. That`s why Hillary the Snake got so far, and that is why McCain lost. People actually vote on very primitive principles. Wait, or was it Diebold machines that vote themselves?

Oh boy look at this! It gets funnier and funnier. Since the feeling of oppression is revolting, liberation must be the next step no?

No matter how bad you want to want to “gang bang” on Unlikelycandidate, he has some good points. At least he’s not as naïve as Obama who seemed to have thought that his love affair was going last forever. The politic was going to get it real and behind the politic, here’s your crude reality. The guy will be lucky if not assassinated, or get a killer shoe thrown at him in the next few months.

But it is true that the media seems more keen all of a sudden to portray white rage, however how much of it is free will self-indulgence in the race bait?

But the funnier thing is that don’t you people have a revolution coming soon? You know, the “people” vs. the big government? And I mean all people: white , black, Hispanic etc. Not just a political party formed of a certain group. I mean, with all this talk about overthrowing the big government, shouldn’t you guys spend your energy focusing more on the common cause?

Although I believe this “common” cause has yet to define itself.

reply to post by bettermakings


lol since when is obama not black. do we have to go back to the one drop rule. that raciest made. if u have one drop of black blood in u u are black. im not full black. my mom is from egypt, my father is black. but if u saw me walking down the road u wouldent say hey look at the half egyption guy. most people see me as black and that is what i identify more with. so im black.

since when do u have to be full black to be considered black. if that was the case then there is no black people in america. no one is full anything really. so obama is black and thus is the first black president. u may argue his mom is white..etc, but back to that 1 drop rule, and the fact that no one is full black in america. if he wasent the president. you would just see him as a black guy. you wouldent care that his mom was white.

when i hear statements from people saying he is not really black. the first thought that come to my mind. is that there are people who have a hard time accepting a black president. though many of u will cry foul on this or claim im playing the race card. but i agree with some of the posters in this thread. most of the anti obama crowd are angry whites, alot of them have a hard time accepting a black president. they are stuck in their old ways.

I am not saying all people that hate obama are racist. some people just dont like his policy or what he stands for. but they get put in the same catagory as the majority of racist one's. u show up to a klan meeting even though u dont believe what they believe most people are gna think ur with the klan. its sad but thats how it works.
i have been harrassed by cops and even taken to jail then later released once they relized they guy the wrong guy. because iw as walking down a street heading home from work. i lived ina bad area were mostly black drug dealers and users were. because i fit the description. i was handcuffed and taken to jail intil they figured it out.

racism sux i hate it. i wish it would go away. there is no cure for it. as long as their are people. there is gonna be some time of hate.

just my 2 cents

salaam

Hey guys! First time poster here!

I think a lot of this has to do with who the media chooses to show as the face of opposition. For example, out of the people that I have seen on television or have read about in newspapers, it's usually almost always an older white people somewhere in a southern or mid western town, who is concerned about Obama being a secret Muslim and that he hates all white people and is going to give African Americans a free ride and free healthcare and college. Usually they have some accompanying sign that has Obama portrayed as Hitler or in a few cases, a racially motivated sign. You almost never see someone say "I am opposed to his policies because they are a fiscal conservative and here is where I think he is making a mistake and why." It's always some yahoo screaming at the camera about his Socialist Fascism or whatever brandishing thier guns talking about the second amendment.

It's always been surprising to me when white people tend to think that the majority of America is completely colorblind and does not care about race. I can assure you, as a black male in the south, I believe we all have a little ways to go before we can claim that. A perfect example of this is number of republican emails that went out as harmless "jokes" within their offices, to see that we are not as colorblind as it seems. In almost all those cases, there was never a serious apology. They usually took the tone of "Well I thought it was funny and I couldn't possibly see why black people would get upset at comparing them to monkeys, but sorry if it was seen as racially motivated!" And in almost all of those cases, you never saw a major reprimand from the Republican leadership. So in this way, it could be the case of just being judged by the company you keep and that most opposition is being painted with the same brush as some of these Republicans who are using race as a tactic to instill fear in some white people.

Another thing that tends to bother me concerning this, especially while browsing around these boards, is the blanket assumption that all black people or democrats use these tactics against people who don't support Obama. As if we don't have the intelligence or self restraint to have a calm and rational discussion with someone who does not have the same political views as we do. While there are some who probably would, I think if you sit down and discuss things calmly and rationally and snark-free, a lot of them would maybe not agree with you, but certainly respect you for your opinions.

My favorite example of one of these type of blanket assumptions is that if Obama somehow got assassinated or removed from office, all the black people are going to get angry and rise up and start a race riot in the country. Because apparently if he was removed, we would automatically assume it was because of his race and not because he did anything wrong, and we are all so blindly loyal to him. I don't know what black people a majority of the people here tend to hang out with, but the ones I know have more pressing problems, like work and how to pay for their health care and put food on the table, than to go rioting in the streets because they think all white people are evil. While there would be some people who would be angry enough to do that, I think in that situation most of us would probably be too shell shocked, like most Americans would, to go that far.

But that's just my two cents on the topic. Lol feel free to rip me to shreds now.

reply to post by TruthParadox


thank you. it was refreshing to read that. im glad there are still people out there who see out side the box

Now, my take on racism. When someone becomes racist, conformist or whatever, try to interrogate them. Don`t attack them for their opinions, simply ask them why do they think that other nationalities or colour people cause problems or antipathy. Ask them to prove and exemplify, and only if they can`t come up with meaningful answers, call them racists.
Actually, a bias towards each nation or nationality is based upon what complexity of things and values they are able to construct. There is not a bias towards Greek, because people tend to remember great Greek philosophers and great culture they had created already a long time ago. There is no bias towards Japanese, because they create unbelievable technology and gizmos,and are generally referred to as hard working nation. There is no bias towards Germans( apart from WW2 legacy) because they build things. Respect also goes to South Korea. The actual bias actually goes towards nationalities or groups of people that create somewhat mediocre added value to economies they live in. It also has to do a lot with hygiene, culture and education level. When every time we see a report from Los Alamos or MIT where white people and some Asians are swarming around some miracle gizmo, it creates an impression. And when we see Harlem, graffiti, and black people playing basketball but not actually building highly valuable or complex things, we also have an impression. The whole wealth and infrastrucutre was actually built by taxing companies and those that create consumable values. That is how you end up with nice Switzerland and well organised Sweden. And blacks and Mexicans have built the image of themselves- by all this mundane and primitive rap music with rented limos, gold chains, and naked babes, etc, etc..I am Latvian, and come from Latvia, and Latvians hate Russians because they generally are trying to avoid real work, their communities are dirty( untidy), they tend to be brutish, bullies and abuse too much alcohol. If you ask this publicly, everyone will say, we are getting along well, if you ask each Latvian seperately, they will tell you how much they hate Russians. Am I racist? No, if I was, I would hate any race or nationality that is not of my kin, yet I try to base my opinions on facts, and I have never stated that I love Latvians as well. Create values, and noone will be biased towards you. Or if you don`t create, don`t go and consume values and infrastrucutre created by others. There are some nationalities that could learn a little bit more humbleness and being down to earth. Some should learn more from native Americans. They maybe don`t build lasers and power actuators, yet they also don`t demand everything to be serviced to them!!! We don`t judge nationalities based on individuals, we judge them by averaging their positive input versus our input.

[edit on 08.15.09 by Advancedboy]

reply to post by jmacbeth


You pointed out a good point that I also wanted to comment. A few of the people I have encountered that oppose Obama purely on race, have been pretty quick to bring out the " But he is half white too so therefore, it doesn't make me racist."

The main problem I have with this defense, is if they were totally unaware of his family history, 9 times out of 10, they would most likely identify him as being black. For example, let's say he mugged someone on the street. I would guarantee the police report would not state that they were looking for a "bi-racial male" or someone who is "50 percent black and 50 percent white".

I'm bi-racial myself, but usually just end up identifying as black. Not only because I identify with the culture better, but mainly because society usually see's and treats me as such. So when people try to play up the half white part as a reasoning for why they, don't consider themselves racist, for some reason it just usually gives me pause to think they are not being as honest with me or themselves about race as they could be.

The New York Times is a bankrupt rag - They would get more circulation if they printed it as toilet paper. Their time of influence has long since past.

Originally posted by Godawgs251
You pointed out a good point that I also wanted to comment. A few of the people I have encountered that oppose Obama purely on race, have been pretty quick to bring out the " But he is half white too so therefore, it doesn't make me racist."

I just have to stop and ask...
How do you know they opposed him because of his race?
Did they say so (I doubt it)?
Or did you assume it?
Could it be that they just don't agree with his policies?
From your above statement, had I not lived in America my whole life, I would assume America is a pretty racist country.
However, as I have lived here my whole life, I know that's not the case.
Some people want you to believe it is, but it isn't.

So MSM is biased? Who would ever have thought it possible? I am shocked.

It's just more of the same. Nothing has changed, except who's in office.

reply to post by TruthParadox


As far as how did I know that he might not be telling the truth about why he opposed Obama's policies, these were actually people I have known pretty well. And I have heard almost each of them make a few racially tinged jokes about people of different racial groups, including black people. So might I have been assuming he was opposed to Obama because of his race? Perhaps. But I am predisposed to thinking that his argument was racially motivated based on what I have heard of his views before.

As far as America being a racist country, while I think that we have made important strides lately, we are nowhere near the complete colorblindness that a lot of people seem to think. I've lived in America too all of my life, a majority of which has been spent in the south, so as far as having experienced racism in America, I'm pretty well qualified to speak on it. The funny thing is, quite a few times in fact, that I was presented with a situation in which racism played a role, I wasn't the person to point it out. Usually one of my many friends who happened to be white that were present, pointed it out and confronted the person on it.

The thing that I think a lot of white people might not understand, is racism is rarely some dude in a hooded outfit burning cross's on someones lawn or someone shouting the N word in your face anymore. Those things still do happen, but for the most part, it's much more subtle than that these days, and takes the form of a comment here or there that can be interpreted either way to provide some measure of plausibility for the person that says it. But I think to really understand how America really isn't as colorblind as you think, you really have to be of a minority group to understand it. Because until you have been on the receiving end of it and experienced it in your day to day life, there really isn't an accurate way for me to tell you how it affects you and your self worth and just your overall being as a person.

reply to post by Godawgs251


They may have been racist and they may not have been.
But much of the time I've seen the racist card being used, it's an assumption (such as the OP of this thread points out).
And much of the time it's the first assumption made, with no bases whatsoever.
I understand if you're black and you see a white guy talking to his white friends about how bad a President Obama is, one of the first things likely to come to mind (because of how we're conditioned and how we think as individuals) is that they're being racist.
However, in such a scenario, it's actually the one making this assumption that isn't being 'colorblind'. Would he/she feel the same way if they were black instead of white? Probably not.
I've lived in the south too, almost my whole life.
I've seen almost no racism whatsoever.
In high school, less than 1% of the students were black.
Despite that fact, I never saw one instance of racism there.
In fact, quiet the opposite. I saw what I've always seen. Whites bending over backwards to show they aren't racist.
You have to be white to understand this. It's how we're conditioned. To feel guilty for the sins of our forefathers.
From what I've seen 99% of 'racism' is imagined.
If I lived in a country where I was in the minority, I would probably get the same feeling from time to time. But it's only a feeling.
If a significant percentage of our population was racist, Obama wouldn't be President. Period.

In my opinion, if you want America to rid itself of racism, just let it go.
The majority of us already have.