New York Times - racist attacks on white Americans and just plain old bias

www.pjtv.com...

Hahaha... Straight from an African-American Republican. See link above for video.

Ya know, reading GoDawgs posts really bothers me. I know what he is saying is true and I know racism exists today in this country. I would expect even more so in rural dawgs country.

It is human nature to dislike what is different. I do not judge people on color, I do judge them on behavior. I do not judge them on the tax return statements, but, how they act regardless of the amount on line 39.

I can honestly say I am NOT racist. That I dislike Obama for his policies and how he is governing. I did not vote for him because of his policies ALONE. The GOP did a piss poor job of putting out candidates and lost because of it.

I would have been happy to see Colin Powell as president. Not that he would have ever run for it.

It is unfortunate to see ANYONE treated poorly due to something they have no control over, looks, race, gender ect; It happens and will always happen. It is human nature. All we can do is to try our best to not judge people on outward appearances.

Now, if you act like a punk/thug/criminal and think it is cool to dress like one, sorry, I will prejudge you. It is the image you are putting forth to tell the world who you are. Don't be surprised when people believe it. That has nothing to do with race/color/religion. That goes equally for all genders/races/religions. I don't care. If you look scary to me, I will not feel badly for taking you on your presentation of yourself.

reply to post by milesp

But since the civil rights act at least, it's not that hard to tell which party has catered to conservative white voters.

What you don't understand is that it has nothing to do with skin color. I really beleive the only people who care about skin color, are the people on the other side. As they are the ones constantly bringing it up as qualifications for jobs or "protected" victims groups. You sound like catering in anyway to white voters is inherently racist. Well, does that mean democrats support for Sotomayor was racist, since they were catering to Latino voters?

Yeah. Obama cannot be racist himself? Right?

www.pjtv.com...

Hahaha...

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When is it ok for white people to disagree with Obama and how should they do it so as to not seem racist?

I'm just curious because it seems like all you have to do is be white and disagree and voice that publicly. That pretty much qualifies you as a racist as far as I can tell. Do you think that is somehow by design?
Nahh that sounds crazy huh...

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Hahaha...

www.pjtv.com...

Hmm... Could MSNBC also have a racist agenda? Look at the top video for an answer. Yep. That well dressed gentlemen with a semi-automatic at a Obama rally was an African-American. Hahaha... FYI - He was against Obama's heathcare reform. Hahaha...

Can't stop the signal.

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reply to post by EMPIRE


Exactly chief, break it down since most white people won't believe the same thing coming from a black guy.

it's that machine that i rage against.

reply to post by useless eaters

Many of us do not approve of having to study Shakespeare, Mozart, or Einstein. But to claim the study of these contributes to racial problems is just plain goofy and serves to demonstrate the point I am making that everything is not reducible down to just a racial issue. There is more to life than just race.

That quote right there, what you just said let's me and EMPIRE (i hope) know that you have no idea of what kind of concepts he was mentioning and referring to in his post. Have you ever looked into or read about another culture beside your own, i bring this up because your still looking at the situation as a white guy and it sounds like you aren't interested in hearing what the other side has to say.



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Both sides were racist in the beginning. It was the republicans that did the most for the freed black folks until the democrats lowed balled them, then i seems like they just switched, heh.

Ain't it funny, most black folks should be republican not democrat..good thing i'm neither.

Why is this of any suprise???

You knew the race card was going to be played....

This was predicted by Rush Limbaugh long ago....

And now it has come to pass.... ANYTHING said in disagreement with this administration and its supporters is racial....

reply to post by EMPIRE


yea, that's how i'm feeling now. rather than getting all hot and bothered when GW was literally stealing you blind, the masses blindly cloaked themselves in the american flag all while canting "we will rock you!" not caring.

Now that obama is in office he's not doing anything new. They've been running this game on the public, i'm talkin usani bolt runnin! Now they want to fight back, hell don't be a chicken hawk. When everyone else was doin what they do you was a chicken but now there's a black guy oops gotta be politically correct, what looks like a black guy up there you wanna be a hawk.

I got the upmost respect to those that was pissed at the whole system before obama got into office. And i pity those that actually believed in his message of hope and change..he's a politician.

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Maybe I haven't been clear what I'm arguing against.
I'm not saying all racism is imagined.
Let me demonstrate what I'm arguing against:
Person A: "Obama is great"
Person B: "Not really, his foreign policy is lacking because _____."
Person A: "You're just mad because we have a black president. Get over it. Whites can't always be in control you know."
Person B: "wat?"

You may think the above example is an exaggeration, that very few people have jumped to the conclusion of racism.
But the sad fact is that it's not an exaggeration. I've seen this several times on ATS alone. It's all over the internet. All over the media.
'Person A', from the very beginning, was thinking of race.
'Person B', on the other hand, merely disagreed with policy.
Who is the real racist here?


This is what I'm saying:
I've seen the above statement ("you're just mad because we have a black president") made countless times - just since JANUARY for Christ's sake..
On the other hand, I've seen actual racism only a handful of times.
Conclusion: much of racism is imagined or assumed, meaning that much of the 'problems' we have in America concerning racism is the person making the assumption.
'Person A' is the problem. Not 'Person B'.

Once 'Person A' stops assuming that everyone is a racist, he/she will understand that most of us are not.

Again, if a significant percentage of our population was racist, we wouldn't have a black president.
It really is that simple. Most of us don't care about skin color.
And most of the people that DO care about skin color are the ones making assumptions about everyone else's ideologies.

Originally posted by useless eaters

No, I can’t tell you why, "standardized tests are more geared towards Whites as opposed to Asians, African Americans or Latinos/Mexicans" because they are NOT geared towards whites.

You’re wrong and show a lack of knowledge when it comes to this subject and institutional deviance. Please educate yourself:
www.educationanddemocracy.org...
www.rethinkingschools.org...

Institutional Racism: A Primer on Theory and Strategies for Social Change ISBN-13: 978-0742560161

2+2 is going to equal 4 no matter what color of skin your wearing or standardized test you are given.

This proves you have no idea about standardized tests, but more specifically, about the content and questions asked on the tests.

So, get over it already, not everything is a racial conspiracy. Everything does not begin with a racial motive behind it.

I’ve provided two links and a book title with ISBN to support my claims. I can provide you with more if need be. I suggest you thoroughly examine them and provide evidence to the contrary that support your claims, however foolish they may be.

Lets leave Asians and Mexicans out of it. They aren’t the ones claiming those who don’t back obama are racist.

No let’s leave them in because some of these people are racially conscious. You’re the same one who mentioned the 3R’S so it is only logical to include them when discussing learning curriculum. Finally, who are making the claims you spoke of? The NY Times? The NAACP? The entire black community?

It's common knowledge, as well as statistical knowledge the Asian students do quite well in this system you claim is so "geared towards the whites". Wonder why? maybe it's because they have a genuine interest in learning something and don't consider themselves as being in victim mode screaching, "discrimination" at every opportunity.

It is common knowledge that the reason they do well is not because they have a “genuine interest in learning something”, but the fact that most of them come from affluent areas and are not economically depressed. Moreover, many have a different relationship or history with the American power structure, have infrastructures outside of the country they can rely on and have a culture that stresses education (and emphasizing education does not mean the child has a “genuine interest.”) It is obvious that you lack an understanding in how finances have a direct impact on education and the potential for social mobility, so I once again ask that you educate yourself before you type another long-winded diatribe.

Many of us do not approve of having to study Shakespeare, Mozart, or Einstein.

So you admit that it happens, yet don’t acknowledge it as a problem?

But to claim the study of these contributes to racial problems is just plain goofy and serves to demonstrate the point I am making that everything is not reducible down to just a racial issue. There is more to life than just race.

No, it isn’t goofy, what is goofy is your lack of understanding and comprehension as it relates to the premise presented. I provided links, have a ton of more info, and will happily provide you these things once you decide to look at what is being presented in its totality. When you decide to give me something besides emotional rants and fallacies, you’ll open yourself to truly understanding the racial problems in our country.

If your that concerned with the causes of “racism” in this country, a good place to start would be the self appointed spokesmen for the black race, (yourself included).

The black race does not need a spokesmen, but if pointing out idiocy and speaking up is being a spokesmen so be it. If you were so concerned with the causes of racism in this country, you’d step outside of your comfort zone (probably a two mile radius), pick up a book, seek higher education, speak to others about the issue, give back to your community and take a stand for what is right.

I don’t think I have ever heard any of these spokesmen give black people no credit for anything other than being a victim.

Who are these so-called black spokesmen you speak of? Cornell West? Bill Cosby? W.E.B. du BOIS? Erving Johnson, John Hope Franklin? Danny Glover? Oh I get it, another emotional rant and mumbo jumbo that is based on your primitive understanding and media bias.

Junior wants to know about his heritage, what does he find when he listens to one of you self appointed spokesmen, he learns he is a VICTIM, someone who has been dumped on. It’s always the same, it’s always VICTIM, VICTIM, VICTIM, His past is a story of him being a VICTIM, his present is being a VICTIM, his future is being a VICTIM. It's all just one big story of how he and his race have been dumped on. Yes, "a mind is a terrible thing to waste". If you had any idea of the poison you inject into a young mind every time you preach this hopelessness, this victim logy, you would no longer do it.

Yes, remove all blame from the oppressor and place it on the oppressed. Remove any responsibility from the white power structure and sweep everything under the rug. Forget the fact that White Privilege does not make it an even playing field, and disregard the fact that blacks have been “equal” for less than 100 years. While we’re at it, let us totally disregard the times blacks have looked past what you describe as “VICTIM” (victimhood) and whites have torn it down. Black Wall Street anyone? Did I remind you it is best to be oblivious to long-term cultural trauma? Let us totally erase the extermination of the civil rights movement from history and pretend everything has been peaches & cream for good ole Juniors ancestors and good ole Junior. Let us not address any of the issues, or make corrections, let us not work on a plan to help build. Instead, let us shriek at the top of our lungs, proclaim to Junior that all he has to do is “get over it”, and believe in “our” American Dream. This is EXACTLY what you believe, is utter foolishness, and ultimately shows your contempt for all that is righteous on this planet.

This kind of talk is guaranteed to destroy a young mind before it even begins to grow. It will kill self respect, and create a criminal.

You know nothing about criminality or deviance, so if you don’t want me using an appeal to authority fallacy or really exposing you for what you truly are, I suggest you s stay clear from this area.

You simply cannot have much respect for the black man if all you can see him as is a VICTIM. It's really to bad the so called black leaders have such a low opinion of their brothers, they see nothing positive and it is they who believe the black man is not equal to the white

This has been addressed in this post and in a previous post where I talk of racial consciousness and how it can create rifts within the group. Moreover, you introduced being racially conscious, a term you’ve proven yourself to have used out of context, to the thread. Knowing this to be true, I can’t truly expect you to comprehend what is being conveyed, so I’ll find some way to dumb it down so you “get it.”

Another question, one you’ll obviously avoid, do you understand the term “WHITE PRIVELEGE?”

As the late, great, Booker T Washington once said, “You cannot keep a man down without yourself staying down”

And what did the late, great, Martin Luther King Jr. say about victimhood? Concerning your Booker T Washington quote, a quote that was obviously posted due to severe confirmation bias, I give you the following:

historymatters.gmu.edu...

So, before you accuse the white man of all this, take a look at who is really keeping the black man down, and who is staying down with him.

What do you mean by, “before you accuse the white man of all this?” Do you not realize that history, economics, sociology, psychology and anything devoted to the understanding of people and cultures support what I’m saying?

I am a white man and I do not see the black man as a hopeless VICTIM.

You are a white man who has White Privilege and you’re totally oblivious to the what black people go through.

Rather than trying to make the white man responsible for all the ills of the black race, listen instead to some of these self appointed spokesmen for the black race, the Al Sharptons and Jessie Jackson’s.

I provided you with six people who are polar opposites of the people you listed. Instead, do yourself a favor and listen to them, or pick up the books some of them have written and read them.

The only time you will ever hear from them is when the are telling black people they are hopeless VICTIMS. The only thing that brings them to life is when they can see an opportunity to accuse someone or something a “racist”. Otherwise they are quite comfortable living under a rock. Sharpton and Jackson are racially conscious. MOF their race is the only thing they are truly conscious of.

Simply put, the two men you listed are not accurate representations of black leadership, nor are they 100% beneficial to the black race. Do they cause harm? Absolutely, but they also do some good, so I can’t totally disregard them. However, what you need to do is turn off the idiot box, stop throwing a hissy fit about the New York Times, and educate yourself before you speak about race relations, victimhood, etc.

I also see you’re bottle spinning tactics at play here, so I’ll repeat this for the third time now. If a non-white child spends 10+ years in our education system learning about White History and Eurocentric values, would he or she be wrong for later becoming racially conscious? I’ll also repeat another question. There is more to education than White history and Eurocentric values, but what is most taught in American school systems?


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Ahhh, you poor, poor, black man who has been dumped on and victimized by the mean ol’ white people. Oh, when will it all end? The refusal of the education and political system to accommodate my special needs. Can't they see I am black? When will I receive my reparations for being forced to live in the white man's world. Oh, the horror of it all, no amount of payment will ever make up for the wrong the mean ol' white man has done to me. It's the white man who is responsible for all my conditions. It's the white man who determines my destiny, not me.

There I have agreed with you, I guess that’s what you were looking for, there is nothing else I can do for you.

Originally posted by useless eaters

Ahhh, you poor, poor, black man who has been dumped on and victimized by the mean ol’ white people.

Sorry friend, but I've never said I was black, nor have I said I was a male. You're doing a GREEEEEEEEEAT job of forming an assessment without any evidence whatsoever. Oh wait a minute, the evidence you have is the fact I'm speaking out and have shown your views and opinions to be 100% folly right? That means I'm a big angry black brute, huh?

Oh, when will it all end? The refusal of the education and political system to accommodate my special needs. Can't they see I am black? When will I receive my reparations for being forced to live in the white man's world. Oh, the horror of it all, no amount of payment will ever make up for the wrong the mean ol' white man has done to me. It's the white man who is responsible for all my conditions. It's the white man who determines my destiny, not me.

You've lost. Do exactly what you say blacks should do--get over it.

There I have agreed with you, I guess that’s what you were looking for, there is nothing else I can do for you.

I deal with facts, logic, and have the ability to provide evidence supporting my claims. You rely on a perverted sense of sarcasm, petulance, word-jugglery and drivel to solidify yourself as a harbinger of stupidity. Pick up a book as there is nothing else I can do for you.


PS: I also see you’re bottle spinning tactics at play here, so I’ll repeat this for the FOURTH time now. If a non-white child spends 10+ years in our education system learning about White History and Eurocentric values, would he or she be wrong for later becoming racially conscious? I’ll also repeat another question. There is more to education than White history and Eurocentric values, but what is most taught in American school systems?




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Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by EMPIRE

 

yea, that's how i'm feeling now. rather than getting all hot and bothered when GW was literally stealing you blind, the masses blindly cloaked themselves in the american flag all while canting "we will rock you!" not caring.

Now that obama is in office he's not doing anything new. They've been running this game on the public, i'm talkin usani bolt runnin! Now they want to fight back, hell don't be a chicken hawk. When everyone else was doin what they do you was a chicken but now there's a black guy oops gotta be politically correct, what looks like a black guy up there you wanna be a hawk.

I got the upmost respect to those that was pissed at the whole system before obama got into office. And i pity those that actually believed in his message of hope and change..he's a politician.

Yea, I know what your talking about, the hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife isn't it? All these war protesters all passionate about "no more war", "no more war". During the Bush admin. Where are they now? Well we have a new administration now, and Mr. "change we can believe in" just up-ed the ante for another 20K troops to kill Afghans. So where is the war protesters now? Isn't it just a little to obvious the phony war protesters weren't really war protesters at all, they were just a bunch of partisan circus performers who can be turned on and turned off as the situation calls for?

Bush's War.........bad
Obomber's War.........good

Where have we seen all this before? oh yea, the phony war protester, and organizer, Bill Clinton couldn't stand the thought of killing the communist Vietnamese in the 60s but killed 10 of thousands in Yugoslavia in the 90s the hypocrite loved killing as long as it weren't his communist comrades. I have much respect for a genuine war protester, but I despise the politically correct, phony, coward, war protester.

Originally posted by Pathos
www.pjtv.com...

Hahaha... Straight from an African-American Republican. See link above for video.

Pathos,

That was good, thanks for sharing. Everyone should take a look at that video.
It puts to rest some of the lies the alphabet news channels are spewing forth.

I didn't like the Clinton Administration
I didn't like the Bush Administration
I don't like the Obama Administration
I didn't Vote for McCain or Obama
I don't like McCain
I don't like white trash or black trash or mexican trash or any other trash out there.
I like people who strive to make something of themselves and work hard to get where they want to be. I don't like when people of any race don't strive to make the world and themselves better, people who live off the system and take what they can and think they deserve more. I don't think the system should help people who don't help themselves and try hard to make themselves and their lives better by giving them handouts and jobs reguardless of race religion age sex it should be based on expierence and hard work. Everyone of every race should strive to make themselves the best they can be. Unfortunately not everyone does and people of all races take and feel they deserve more.

reply to post by EMPIRE


Gee, sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted. It was however, the most optimum answer given the circumstances, You entered this thread talking about your race and being a victim because of it. You loosely throw around the word "racism" and assign it in broad generalities. You seem to find it everywhere except in yourself. And you leave this thread preaching the same thing. “White privilage”

Take a look at your post on page 7 you even accuse others of having a limited mental capacity who don’t agree with you,

“I say this because many in this country are blind racists, sheltered, oblivious to the struggles of others, have a limited mental capacity and hide under the veil of patriotism to spew their hateful rhetoric.”

It’s not hard at all to decipher your “message”. You want to roll play the part of being the poor black victim dumped on by the mean ol’ white man. Yada, yada, yada, Playing victim is the easiest of all parts to play. It requires, no brains, no creativity, no imigination. You must enjoy the part you play, your arguments do without variation advocate being the victim.

You deserve all your hate and the consequences that follow it. May you never find what millions of others have found in this country before you, A LAND OF OPPORTUNITY! May you continue to elect the white man as responsible for your condition. After all, someone has to be responsible for you. You obviously won’t. And last, maybe it’s just as well you stumble through life with your racial blinders on, that way you’ll be easier to spot and avoided for those who see potential an opportunity in this country and refuse to be a victim.

Gee, sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted. It was however, the most optimum answer given the circumstances, You entered this thread talking about your race and being a victim because of it. You loosely throw around the word "racism" and assign it in broad generalities. You seem to find it everywhere except in yourself. And you leave this thread preaching the same thing. “White privilage”

Lies and fallacies, and I’m not going to give you too much run because when faced with data and evidence that supports what I’m saying, you’ve resorted to lies and fallacies, and have failed to provide anything of your own.

Again, you nor anyone else on this site have an inkling of who I am, what race I am, what gender I am, etc. However, due to your ignorance, guilt and lack of stable mental prowess, you assume that I’m some angry black man. LOL!

Take a look at your post on page 7 you even accuse others of having a limited mental capacity who don’t agree with you,

Wrong. I don’t accuse those who don’t agree with me of having a limited mental capacity. However, I’m actually pointing out that in this area, you do show a limited mental capacity, and any person of sound intelligence can read this exchange and come to the same conclusion. How do you show your limited capacity? You butcher words and use them out of context (refer to racial consciousness), you say things yet provide no links, books or empirical data to support your claim (not one link, book, author, absolutely nothing), you use straw man and red herring arguments (every single post in this thread) and you bottle-spin. I made claims and provided info to support them. You made claims and did nothing but make additional claims that were just as absurd as the previous ones—do you see the difference here?

It’s not hard at all to decipher your “message”. You want to roll play the part of being the poor black victim dumped on by the mean ol’ white man. Yada, yada, yada, Playing victim is the easiest of all parts to play. It requires, no brains, no creativity, no imigination. You must enjoy the part you play, your arguments do without variation advocate being the victim.

This is the type of tomfoolery I’m talking about. No one is role playing anything, no one is playing poor black victim, etc. Do yourself a favor and address the previous posts. However, I suspect you will not do so as even attempting it requires logic, understanding of the subject matter, critical thinking (inductive and deductive reasoning), the ability to answer closed and opened questions, honesty and intrinsic values. As of yet, you’ve yet to show you possess these traits, so I won’t hold my breath.

You deserve all your hate and the consequences that follow it. May you never find what millions of others have found in this country before you, A LAND OF OPPORTUNITY! May you continue to elect the white man as responsible for your condition. After all, someone has to be responsible for you. You obviously won’t. And last, maybe it’s just as well you stumble through life with your racial blinders on, that way you’ll be easier to spot and avoided for those who see potential an opportunity in this country and refuse to be a victim.

Look at that, your hatred spews forth and you prove me correct! Keep up the good work, I like you!



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