None of you have ever seen an extraterrestrial object.

Originally posted by aceace

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by aceace
The moon and stars don't count, but lets be honest. With the reports worldwide and with an incredibly large percentage of the population now carrying cell-phones with cameras. There has yet to be one single definitive UFO caught on video.

You may be right. You may not. Do you believe it is possible their is sentient life anywhere other than earth? If not, why not?

Sure, I believe life is abundant throughout the Universe. If worm holes (which is only a theory) do not exist, it's highly unlikely they have ever visited here. In fact for them to travel here they would need worm holes or the ability to exceed light speed many times over.

Man with his somewhat ability to travel nearby space may be one of the least advance or the most advanced. We just don't know until or if contact happens.

As of now I have seen nothing to convince me. NASA can photograph/film and talk about all the objects they want but without objective proof it means nothing. Maybe it's the Russians spying, it could be space junk.

So you believe life is abundant in the universe.... yet you reckon to get here they are using Saturn Rockets or worse. HAHAHAHA.

How devoid of intelligence would an individual have to be to come to the conclusion that planet Earth would be the most advanced civilisation in this universe.... and that the rest of the universe are still busy banging rocks together to make a fire.

You're new to this aren't you.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Total Package]

Ah yes another debunker thread containing the same amount of evidence as some random abductee thread.

You know the, "you have never seen a UFO, they are just figments of your imagination" thread.

The "omg I know for sure there are no aliens because technology can't be that advanced" thread.

You guys know what I'm talking about its another, "look at me I know for sure we are alone in the universe" thread.

Or perhaps its, "we aren't alone but no alien would want to come to this planet" thread.

I can't tell with the large variety of posters saying all sorts of things with little/no evidence.

Can you debunkers do me a favor and "Prove it" plz.

Prove that aliens are real. Prove that they aren't. Prove that you really saw the UFO. Prove that the pictures you posted aren't fakes. Prove that pictures you posted are fakes. Prove that you really got abducted. Prove that you really are a dude. Prove that you really are a girl. Prove that you really are who you say you are and your not someone else.

Originally posted by aceace
reply to post by Nohup

 

Sure we may have 40,000 years of proof of existence. The question is what was our intelligence like 17,000 years ago. Were we more ape like - did they change our DNA to where we could figure out how to make buildings instead of living in caves.

You dont believe we are visited by Aliens, yet you seem to have an opinion on wether or not we were created and maybe not evolved.


Peace!

Originally posted by Total Package

So you believe life is abundant in the universe.... yet you reckon to get here they are using Saturn Rockets or worse. HAHAHAHA.

How devoid of intelligence would an individual have to be to come to the conclusion that planet Earth would be the most advanced civilisation in this universe.... and that the rest of the universe are still busy banging rocks together to make a fire.

You're new to this aren't you.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Total Package]

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Obviously you did not read my post at all. Your entire post makes no sense. People like you are really not worth replying too.

I SAID: We could be the most advanced or the least advanced. What part of that do you not understand? No where did I say that other parts of the Universe could still be banging rocks together, there is no proof of intelligent life. Some say look at crop circles, watch this video.

www.youtube.com...

Nothing new here friend just logic. Keep buying the books and DVD's and anything else that makes these people money.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by aceace]

Originally posted by Armour For Victor

Originally posted by aceace
reply to post by Nohup

 

Sure we may have 40,000 years of proof of existence. The question is what was our intelligence like 17,000 years ago. Were we more ape like - did they change our DNA to where we could figure out how to make buildings instead of living in caves.

You dont believe we are visited by Aliens, yet you seem to have an opinion on wether or not we were created and maybe not evolved.


Peace!

Who says there were not advanced humanalien civilizations a million years ago or 17,000 years ago. I am saying that today there is no proof.

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Why would you need proof, when you believe they were here thousands of years ago? If you believe then, then why ask for proof now? Why not believe now? Whats holding you back from believing that we are being visted now? I don't understand why people demand proof, when the very act of demanding proof is giving in to the idea, because if you didnt believe then you wouldnt care to ask. The fact that you are demanding proof or asking for proof only makes it seem like you do believe but your afraid or you dont want to give in. Or like many have stated your just looking for a debate. A debate that has been going on for years, so why bother.


Peace!

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Armour For Victor]

Originally posted by aceace
I am saying that today there is no proof.

Just for an exercise, a question if I may.

What if you were driving down a lonely road and a saucer shaped vehicle landed in a field. You stop the car and go to investigate. Beings come out of the vehicle, obviously not human. They escort you into the vehicle and take off, orbiting the Earth several times in an hour while you watch out a porthole. The vehicle lands back in the field and lets you out.

Would that be proof?

I'll jump ahead and assume you're a rational individual and you'd say, "yes".

Based upon that, I'll assert there is no proof for you. For anyone to say that there is no proof is at least as preposterous, I'd say moreso, as someone suggesting there is. In my opinion.

Originally posted by TheAftermath
Mind telling me what the Phoenix lights were then since you seem to have all the answers?

Here's a pretty good answer: "I don't know." Maybe they were flares, maybe not. I don't know.

But here's the deal. Unless there is some positive proof that the lights were extraterrestrial, "I don't know" still wins the argument! And as far as anyone knows, there's no positive proof of extraterrestrial origin for the lights. Could it have been an Air Force Black Project? Sure, why not? Could it have been time travelers? Maybe, if such a thing is even possible.

But since nobody knows, then it can't be claimed as extraterrestrial, anyway. That's the argument you have to beat, not "it was flares."

"I don't know" wins every time.

Originally posted by Armour For Victor

Originally posted by aceace
reply to post by Nohup

 

Sure we may have 40,000 years of proof of existence. The question is what was our intelligence like 17,000 years ago. Were we more ape like - did they change our DNA to where we could figure out how to make buildings instead of living in caves.

You dont believe we are visited by Aliens, yet you seem to have an opinion on wether or not we were created and maybe not evolved.

I don't know whether we were visited by aliens or not, or even if there are "aliens" (whatever that means). I was asking a question. Do you have an answer? First you have to prove that we underwent an unnatural evolutionary jump around 17,000 years ago, then you have to prove aliens exist, then you have to connect those two dots and prove that aliens made the genetic modification. Any one of those things is pretty difficult to prove.

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Im not sure what your trying to get at, but incase your wondering that comment you quoted me on is refering to aceace and not you. So now, what exactly are you asking?


Peace!

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Armour For Victor]

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So couldnt someone also state that maybe it wasnt Terrestrial, because we dont know. So was is extraterrestrial? We dont know. So the next question that follows is....Was it terrestrial? We dont know. In the end we know nothing of an event that happened. So neither side are victors. In the end, the only thing that should matter to anyone, is there own personal opinion.


Peace!

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Armour For Victor]

Originally posted by MrDesolate

Based upon that, I'll assert there is no proof for you. For anyone to say that there is no proof is at least as preposterous, I'd say moreso, as someone suggesting there is. In my opinion.

I will say this, there is no proof as in it is not considered to be real. it is real to some people because they believe that they have witnessed a close encounter. The fact that there is a possibility that we have received a DNA reprogramming to make us more intelligent is not proven at all. Just as Jesus living in Jerusalem cannot be proven because the bible was written 300 years after he lived. This would be comparable to me writing about somebody who lived in 1709 who did magic tricks, and called him God's son. The other thread you are referring to is about the alignment of the face on mars matching (somewhat) to the stars in the sky. It's a theory, nothing more.

i have seen a UFO once in my life time it may or may not of been ours put this puppy made some crazy turns in the sky stopping and shooting off in a way a airplane can not and i no what a satellite looks like i live up in the mountains so we get clear sky's every night when its not cloudy i can easily tell the diff between planes and satellite and as for pics of when i saw this UFO i didn't have enough time to take a pic for it wasn't in the sky very long ware i could see it

[edit on 8/17/2009 by xenchan`]

Originally posted by aceace

Originally posted by MrDesolate

Based upon that, I'll assert there is no proof for you. For anyone to say that there is no proof is at least as preposterous, I'd say moreso, as someone suggesting there is. In my opinion.

I will say this, there is no proof as in it is not considered to be real. it is real to some people because they believe that they have witnessed a close encounter. The fact that there is a possibility that we have received a DNA reprogramming to make us more intelligent is not proven at all. Just as Jesus living in Jerusalem cannot be proven because the bible was written 300 years after he lived. This would be comparable to me writing about somebody who lived in 1709 who did magic tricks, and called him God's son. The other thread you are referring to is about the alignment of the face on mars matching (somewhat) to the stars in the sky. It's a theory, nothing more.

It is real to some people?

So, it's not real to you, then.

So, it's an opinion you have. Your whole thread is based on your opinion.

It's not based on facts or evidence that all of the sightings, videos, crop circles, etc. are a hoax or mis-sightings, you just believe aliens haven't visited because of your opinion...

Sorry to say, Aceace, but on here, ATSer's follow one rule:

DENY IGNORANCE.

Your opinion that we haven't seen an extraterrestrial object is moot at this point.

OK I get you.
We never saw ET objects.
So Roswell and Moon Landing with ET saucer parts and Moon rocks
are all fabrications of the elite for some purpose, mostly for making
money.

Roswell to hide and divert attention from a device deduced with
science they are neglecting to tell us about.
Much like the many documents and inventions of Tesla.
This information would ruin the status quo of the modern day
investments of the many Edison's of the world.

The Moon Landing to make money weather done or not and
costs more if not done and more to the Illuminati liking.

Thanks for the interesting conspiracy quiz of sorts.

Originally posted by aceace
Where's the smoking gun? I have yet to see one shred of evidence of Aliens of any sort. I have seen a lot of people making money off of foolish people. How do any of you know that what you saw was extraterrestrial? Everything in this thread could be credited with black ops projects.

Ahh the smoking gun evidence proving once and for all.

Where is then the smoking gun for:
string theory
black holes
white holes
quantum entanglement
love
god
earths core
gravitons
different dimensions
secret government bases with cool tech (as you stated in belief fashion)
elves
magic
manmade global warming
cigarettes causing cancer (directly, not contributing but causing)
meditation having effect
evolution
creation
etc...we know nothing. we have theories based on perception, we run tests to replicate stuff and base more theories on the results and call that our understanding of the universe.
believe what you want, because its frankly just a guessing game for now.

and to counter the photo argument...I have seen more pictures of potential UFOs than I have seen of a electron...yet one is thought to be a self evident fact and the other is considered hokey pseudoscience...funny that.
wheres the smoking gun picture of the electron? why should I believe what people say about electrons and quarks when they cant even produce a picture or like sell it in a jar or something...

this illogical argument is meant to counter the illogical argument of the OPS.

black op projects and secret bases indeed...bunk.

Originally posted by MrDesolate

Originally posted by aceace
I am saying that today there is no proof.

Just for an exercise, a question if I may.

What if you were driving down a lonely road and a saucer shaped vehicle landed in a field. You stop the car and go to investigate. Beings come out of the vehicle, obviously not human. They escort you into the vehicle and take off, orbiting the Earth several times in an hour while you watch out a porthole. The vehicle lands back in the field and lets you out.

Would that be proof?

I'll jump ahead and assume you're a rational individual and you'd say, "yes".

Based upon that, I'll assert there is no proof for you. For anyone to say that there is no proof is at least as preposterous, I'd say moreso, as someone suggesting there is. In my opinion.

Now let's say you caught the whole episode on video and came back here and put it on ATS. Do you think it would be seen as definitive proof or would it be too absurd to be believable? How do you suppose still photos would fare? Some would believe it and some won't. I don't know what would be required for solid proof, but I think it would require many witnesses, many videos, government support on a global scale, support from the scientific community, and maybe that still wouldn't be good enough for some people. I don't even know how you could get support from the scientific community since it's not testable and verifiable.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by theyreadmymind]

Originally posted by aceace
Where's the smoking gun? I have yet to see one shred of evidence of Aliens of any sort. I have seen a lot of people making money off of foolish people. How do any of you know that what you saw was extraterrestrial? Everything in this thread could be credited with black ops projects.

Mr. ET Spielberg did OK promoting a lie for the Illuminati.
He even spent some time with Bill Lyne but that didn't even warn him.
The ET letters are the reverse of their enemy TEsla who will crush their
happy life style so they must lie that things will be worse off knowing the
secrets of Tesla hidden away in the Robert Oppenheimer library
basement at Los Alamos.

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Perhaps there have been leaked or recorded footage, but whats the chance of some gob #e saying its false because they like the sound of their own voice, or don't have the mind to comprehend things like that or just out of fear.

Whilst we have banks and corporations running our governments we'll just keep going round in this visious circle, untill we're blue in the face and the earth is on its last legs!