I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

Originally posted by gnosis111
reply to post by redhatty

 

I agree with what you are saying, but I get a refund and it isn't near the amount I pay in! I still consider myself a taxpayer.

That is because you ARE a taxpayer. What the other poster said is absolute nonsense rubbish like the rest of the vile verbage that is being spewed here.

Originally posted by VinceP1974
What is with all these people blathering about how compassionate they are because they want to tax everyone to death.

And then seeing the opposition to that, they declare "compassion is dead".

Get off your ass, and go spread your compassion to a real human being.. that is , after all, what most of us who resent the Slavery is Compassion health care plan do.

It is in fact a sign of a souless compassionlessness to wipe your hands and say "well the Govt is taking care of that problem... I am now moral and better than everyone and won't do a thing to concretely help anyone"

Putting the most at-risk people in the hands of the Govt is about the most abusive thing you can do to anyone.

What is funny Vince is that you "argument" and stance is about as solid as a pudding cup... You have been all over the place with this one which usually indicates there is no substantial argument at hand. Seriously, your argument is NO, might as well say
" I DON'T LIKE IT", stick your tongue out and TUG at your DRESS.


Be thankful you are in a good place...

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

Now, this is going into new territory. Should being permitted to have a family be based on income? Should people who make minimum wage be discouraged from having a family?

If you shrink the future tax base and human resource supply, then you are sabotaging your future.

I think in the future, things like birth control and abortion will enter the realm of national security.

But we're decades from that. I know that will sound like a nutty idea now.

Who needs it when your stance leads to 30,000 death a year here anyways?

When the price of current care doubles again in 2018, maybe you can be added to that number if the price is to steep for you?

Does not sound nutty...

Your paving the way

reply to post by SassyCat


What we're against is the Federal Govt usurpation of areas that it has no business doing under the American Constitution.

We have these things called States.. Despite what our very intelligent professorial President may have told people, there are 50 (not 57) of them. (There are 57 States in the Organization of Islamic Conference , but nevermind that)


Those 50 States are virtually 50 independent countries... they joined together and formed another Government (the Federal Govt) to handle a specific list of things so that the people would be FREE to thrive. If it's not on the List, then the 50 States have the power to do with it as they like.

And that is the proper venue to set up these systems to assist people who need it.

Maybe those of us against the Fed plan should reiterate that a bit more.

I'm not specifically against a govt doing something.. I am specifically against the Federal Gov illegally doing so.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Excellent!! I could not have made myself any clearer!!

Oh BTW: all those people complaining about paying taxes and it going to all those poor souls that don't have health care.

Let me let you in on a little secret. All your taxes go to the Federal Reserve Not the Government - check the back of your cancelled checks.

Another thing about that - Fed Reserve is NOT a government entity! So that means our taxes don't EVER go to the government - they always go to the Bank! It is called Debt - so the health care would be taken care of - just like everything else - the money will be printed. But the farce of needing to raise taxes - is actually just so the Fed gets more money - because of the U.S. debt.

SO - Start having some compassion and worrying about your taxes going to actually Helping people instead of building bombs and lining the coffers of big bankers (Rothschild, etc).

I have to also say - I have been completely sickened at the postings here - such disregard for the fellow man - as been mind blowing.

You don't know other people's situations and the fact is - there are people who don't not qualify for any type health care plan, nor can get any, once an insurance company drops them!

I really have been saddened by so many postings attacking the OP and attacking the fact people might actually get medical care they need in the future.

All I can say - what we do and think - comes back to either haunt or help us at some point in the future.

People need to start thinking of their fellow man more and realize every single person deserves medical care and the most basic needs - including a helping hand from another on this Earth.

How sad and angry so many people of the world are and so unwilling to help their fellow man!

Something to think about - the lyrics:

Originally posted by orwellianunenlightenment
reply to post by redhatty

 

Higher education is highly subsidized. The purpose of police, ultimately, is to protect the haves from the have nots. Your k-12 education was bought and paid for. The roads you drive on were paid for by taxes. Your education was propped up on the minds of earlier thinkers. The airline industry is subsidized, so when you fly somewhere, think of this. Your parent or parents raised you. Some person on the street said something to encourage you at some point. People do kind things everyday that keep this world from falling into a pit, and they do it for free. If you think you live in a vacuum, you are highly mistaken. I just ask you to look at how interconnected it all is. I don't understand how someone cannot see this. I really do see, but it can come across as presumptuous, and those who do not honestly look at themselves get highly defensive.

Odd.... even being unemployed when I filled out my FASFA this summer (going back to school this fall) I didn't receive a single state funded program to "subsidize" my "higher education" ... Guess it only covers those poor non-white folks right? Nothing new there.

I also happen to believe all Higher Education should be free, paid for by the States. IMO, it's no different than any other level of education, and the corruption of the Universities is obscene.

Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by SassyCat

 

I'm not specifically against a govt doing something..

you are against the entire idea, two posts ago your reasoning was different???

You can probably achieve flight, or bore a hole

It amazes me how much people who oppose universal health care lack empathy for there fellow man. Any government program can and will be abused, by a minority, but the majority will benefit from it.

And I will add this, if you are a christian and vehemently oppose universal health care perhaps you have forgotten the story related by Jesus about the good Samaritan. It is a story about not just helping your fellow man but helping them when they were physically hurt, at cost to ourselves.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live." 29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.
31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.
32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.' 36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" 37The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

Any christian that is fighting against universal health care should be ashamed of themselves for going against Jesus teachings, represented here by this parable showing compassion should shown to our fellow man even if it costs us personally.

Why so many conservative Christians are against this baffles me really, maybe they would rather have there tax dollars spent on our armies being deployed abroad that is costing billions, rather than help their fellow American.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Blue_Jay33]

reply to post by questioningall


Wow. promoting the most evil totalitarian inhumane song ever published.. and you're going to preach to us?

reply to post by questioningall



Ya, it is even sadder I have to pay for the ROADS they drive on...

So many men talking like spoilt babies...

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Why so many conservative Christians are against this baffles me really, maybe they would rather have there tax dollars spent on our armies being deployed abroad that is costing billions, rather than help their fellow American.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Blue_Jay33]

The soverign power of the time was the Roman Empire.

Please cite chapter/verse where Jesus tells those in need to "Go to the Empire Entitlement Department" .. that is where you want these people to go right? You dont want them going to civil organizations, you want them on Govt teat.

So where did Jesus say to hook everyone up on Ceaser Cenior Care?

reply to post by questioningall

Let me let you in on a little secret. All your taxes go to the Federal Reserve Not the Government - check the back of your cancelled checks.

Oh please what a crock of !@# .. I know you're a bit more intelligent than that QA. Taxes go to the Federal Government, who does the piss poor job of spending them .. not the Reserve (which is an oversight board)

Another thing about that - Fed Reserve is NOT a government entity! So that means our taxes don't EVER go to the government - they always go to the Bank! It is called Debt - so the health care would be taken care of - just like everything else - the money will be printed. But the farce of needing to raise taxes - is actually just so the Fed gets more money - because of the U.S. debt.

FED doesn't profit from US Debt.

SO - Start having some compassion and worrying about your taxes going to actually Helping people instead of building bombs and lining the coffers of big bankers (Rothschild, etc).

I'd rather my money go to the states.. where decisions are made based on the demands of the people.

I have to also say - I have been completely sickened at the postings here - such disregard for the fellow man - as been mind blowing.

I have been disgusted by "I deserve this" attitude.

I have to also say - I have been completely sickened at the postings here - such disregard for the fellow man - as been mind blowing.

There are PLENTY of ways to help via private means?!? Why does it have to be the Federal Government, who manages to screw up anything that comes it's way??

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Very true - these people worship an fear god made of money

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


For one not all Conservatives are Christian. The Christian Right is quite often Socialist in nature, not Conservative.

And I am not exactly convinced a Government Program would even be beneficial to the poor, and it sure as hell won't benefit those with private care now... it will just throw a wrench into the system, and we will all end up with crappy health care.

reply to post by VinceP1974


Maybe the U.S. is, but Canada is not. Whether the country is bankrupt or not you still have to pay your taxes.

So what has this got to do with my post.

Point being whether you use it or not you pay taxes. Even if everyone had they own medical insurance you would still pay taxes into medicaid.

I think everyone who gets health care and is able should do some type of work to pay for it. If you can type or do data entry or anything useful then you should have to log some hours doing so to pay for health care.

The problem though is that some people in the country are grossly over paid for their 8 hours a day such as Sean Hanity. Now he will make you think he has worked harder than you so he deserves to be grossly overpaid. Now Sean if your reading this I want you to compare your efforts to the efforts of those guys in Iraq and what they get paid (if that doesn't shut you up nothing will).

Ok so lets take the hourly wage of the highest paid guy in America and figure out how many hours he would have to work to pay for the same medical treatment.

Now that we have that figure you should be required to work that same amount of hours in community service (maybe picking cans up on the road) (if able).

Now that is a health care program I live with. Now lets get down to the real problem in America and that is how the elitist have made it ok for them to do small amounts of work for great amounts of pay just because they have made society think that their work is more valuable when often it is nothing useful at all.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Takes 15% of your check! Sad. You just made that up.
Most Americans won't even have to spend a nickel.

reply to post by iamjesusphish


I'm a 24 year old american citizen with no healthcare and haven't had health insurance for 3 years.
I was turned away from the emergency room 2 months back, the only time I really needed assistance because I couldn't cover the $250 deposit needed for people without insurance.
As I am originally not an American citizen, but a citizen of England that has a National Healthcare system and where I've been treated for free on several occasions, I am ashamed of the American Healthcare System...
I am even more ashamed that people here in the states don't realize how bad things are here, and why they wouldn't want to help out fellow man...

Originally posted by king9072
Im Canadian. Had health care my entire life. Been to the hospital tens of times in my life either myself, a family member or a friend.

Best part, is when you leave, and it costs you nothing. Ever.

Oh yeah but it's "SOCIALISM"!!!!! As a good-anti-socialist-american I want my money to go to the CEO's and their "SOCIETIES".

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

 

For one not all Conservatives are Christian. The Christian Right is quite often Socialist in nature, not Conservative.

And I am not exactly convinced a Government Program would even be beneficial to the poor, and it sure as hell won't benefit those with private care now... it will just throw a wrench into the system, and we will all end up with crappy health care.

I am not sure if it matters, but all SIX proposals are BASED upon the current system.
IT would help both because any healthcare is better then none and private holders
will not be dropped from the rosters or hit caps due to severity of the illness.

Allot of it is legal... but honestly I suspect none of the benefits could seem beneficial to you.