I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

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[edit on 15-8-2009 by VinceP1974]

Originally posted by SassyCat
Wow, so many stars for this statement. It makes me very sad to think so many people on these forums lack enough compassion to save human life.

I understand but it makes me extremely sad and almost sick.

Your MONEY is more important than human life?

My money is more important for the well being of my family. Since I have to put food, clothes, and other necessities into my family unit, I will seek the survival of my family over anyone who is lazy.

Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

So, YOUR BAD CHOICES have been subsidized by my taxes.

You CHOSE to do drugs, and this caused health problems, but MY TAXES are paying for your rehab and your medical treatment.

Of course you want to keep your free health care going, Me and the rest of the american tax-payers are paying your bills!!!!!

America really has become a nation of leeches, your post is just another example of that.

My friend, I hope you don't find your arrogant self needing medicaid one day.

At the moment I don't have any health insurance. I did until my business went belly up last year but that's another discussion.

I know some people think this is all about rich people not wanting to pay for the less fortunate. There may be some that feel this way but I think most are like me. I would love for everyone to have health care but why do we need to rush this thing.

Instead of class warfare name calling, why not slow down and really get it right. This could be accomplished correctly but not if it's rushed the way they are trying to do now.

The way this monstrosity is being presented now, I don't understand how anyone could support it. I get an uneasy feeling when Government tries to rush something through. I feel like they are only rushing so people won't have time to figure out what's in it. We're lucky we were able to get a little time to review this before they passed it. That's what they really wanted in the first place, to pass it before we could look at it at all.

This is not about greedy rich people vs. poor people, that's just what they want you to think. This is about getting it right. There is to much on the line to rush it and get wrong. imho

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reply to post by iamjesusphish


Please don't waste your time and energy on this kind of thoughtless post. You were judged without this person knowing the full story. It happens all the time. You could have had cancer for all he/she knows, but it doesn't matter, his/her taxes are paying for it, and that pisses them off. A fine example of loving your neighbor.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

Please don't waste your time and energy on this kind of thoughtless post. You were judged without this person knowing the full story. It happens all the time. You could have had cancer for all he/she knows, but it doesn't matter, his/her taxes are paying for it, and that pisses them off. A fine example of loving your neighbor.

Evolution. Only the strong shall survive. If you are unable to provide for your own family, your gene pool shall be forfeit. Its the natural course of all life. You evolve to stay ahead, or you will no doubt perish.

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Originally posted by iamjesusphish
How I love the ignore button... If you want to attack me fine... I am just sharing my opinion and once I can get a better job I will but for now I am below the poverty line making minimum wage...

A better job does not guarentee better insurance. I have a great job with NO benefits. But in t his economy, I'm not leaving my job.

reply to post by iamjesusphish


Why dont you get additional employment so that you can afford healthcare instead of relying on the taxpayers?

I'm not "wealthy", but I shell out 400 a month for health insurance for myself, my son and my wife.

Get another job and quit wanting to take money out of other peoples wallets to subsidize your irresponsibility.

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
reply to post by redhatty

 

You have no idea and prove your ignorance... I got hooked via pharmaceutical prescriptions... I love how your ignorance shines through. You are the problem in this country... did you miss the part that said I am a tax paying citizen?



[edit on 15-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]

Really? How much in taxes do you actually PAY (as in withheld that you dont get back?)

If you cant afford your own insurance, chances are you are in a lower income bracket, and therefore get refunded each and every penny that was withheld.

Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

Why dont you get additional employment so that you can afford healthcare instead of relying on the taxpayers?

I'm not "wealthy", but I shell out 400 a month for health insurance for myself, my son and my wife.

Get another job and quit wanting to take money out of other peoples wallets to subsidize your irresponsibility.

Its all about affordability. If the health care system can provide low cost insurance, I think he would have no problem with buying his own. We only need more options. We do not need a nationalized health care system.

Originally posted by Moshpet
Some people might say, that since I am getting my livelihood and medical care from the government, that I am costing them more than the OP.

I wouldn't say that. You illness is due to your service, I totally see the point of taking care of our Armed forces and others who serve.

Now, the OP is on Medicare, he's also a productive citizen who pays his taxes; and thus also pays into Medicare. Those facts, have been totally ignored by the 'hyper-reactionary' posters whose, erornious supposition says, "You're the jerk-wad costing me money!" Puh-huh-lease.

Since FICA-Medicare and FICA-Social Security are nothing more that government run 'insurance programs' in case you the tax payer become unable or too old to work... Just where is this costing you a red cent?

Given the age of the OP, he isn't on Medicare, it's Medicaid. That's a big difference. That is not paid for by the FICA taxes. and if he is only earning minimum wage, he is probably getting a full refund of his federal income tax withholding. Every bit of his care is paid for by income tax dollars, every red cent IS costing me and every other taxpayer.

Originally posted by SassyCat


Wow, so many stars for this statement. It makes me very sad to think so many people on these forums lack enough compassion to save human life.

I understand but it makes me extremely sad and almost sick.

Your MONEY is more important than human life?

[edit on 15-8-2009 by SassyCat]

Funny how others whine about being compassionate when it comes to spending other peoples money.

Yes, my money is more important than someone elses life.

My money keeps a roof over my sons head, food in his stomach, and clothes on his back.

All of which are more important than keeping some irresponsible parasite alive.

reply to post by Pathos


at 23 years of age, his premiums would be minimal ($100 a month or so).

Odds are he has a cell phone. Lets assume he pays 50 a month for that.

Odds are he also has a car.

he is choosing a phone over his health.

Let him suffer.

reply to post by Pathos


There is about to be an intense paradigm shift. The parasites will no longer be regarded as strong. The game of divide and conquer, false image, fear, vanity, narcissism, lust...leading to the most counterproductive selfish desires, this game is being made more and more manifest every day. Be careful what you wish for. Logos and Pathos are about to meet. We will all have to face our darkest corners. They will then dissolve. If you are nothing but a self-serving machination (not saying you specifically are), then what remains?

Since the OP claims to be a "constitution defender", I'd be curious as to what section of the Constitution authorizes a cent of public money to be spent on healthcare for others.

reply to post by Strictsum


Great post. I think everyone would like healthcare reformed so that it is more affordable to all and covers all. The currently proposed plans need much work still, to meet those goals. Heck I think everyone here would love to pay $150 a month for their families insurance, however, that is not the case. Everyone seems to think that the proposed plans are going to save the average taxpayer money on their healthcare, I just don't see the savings.

Originally posted by orwellianunenlightenment
reply to post by Pathos

 

There is about to be an intense paradigm shift. The parasites will no longer be regarded as strong. The game of divide and conquer, false image, fear, vanity, narcissism, lust...leading to the most counterproductive selfish desires, this game is being made more and more manifest every day. Be careful what you wish for. Logos and Pathos are about to meet. We will all have to face our darkest corners. They will then dissolve. If you are nothing but a self-serving machination (not saying you specifically are), then what remains?

Human instinct is all about survival. We look for shelter, food, water, and procreation to sustain our gene pool. Within the center of all human existence, we are driven to find ways to conquer the land. If anyone cannot master their environment, they are too weak to sustain their gene pool. They will disappear according to the laws of evolution. Its inevitable.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by TheAftermath
Since the OP claims to be a "constitution defender", I'd be curious as to what section of the Constitution authorizes a cent of public money to be spent on healthcare for others.

How much you want to bet he knows nothing about Amendment V

reply to post by redhatty


I think the fact that we all pay taxes in our Countries mean we all chip in for the greater good (what ever it is). Medicaid or not you will still be paying same amount of taxes.

In Canada we pay a lot of taxes which evens out the costs for everyone. Welfare, medical etc. we pay it whether we use it or not. Same with Unemployment Insurance, we pay into it all our working lives but no refund if we never have to use it. I think we should be able to get a refund every 10 years of steady work. How say you all?

reply to post by Pathos


We are also a so-called self-aware species. We exist in a collective set of interactions. Yes there are individuals in the collective, but the collective exists as a combination of these individual beliefs and actions. Now, in the process of evolving, there is also intense need for conscious evolution. The last 6000 years and even further back have been the age of divide and conquer, the age of slavery, the age of domination and manipulation, the age of conquer and deception. A warring self-eating society. Conscious evolution would dictate that the species as a collective would eventually realize that all built on these foundations of quicksand falls back into from whence it came. People become self-aware of the nature of power and control, and ironically, those very egos of control and power merely for the sake of continuation of power and control, they "realize" that they are not in fact aware, but merely machinations. We will realize the profound underpinnings, the roots feeding our trees. Conscious evolution dictates that we end this game, and that we see the game that naturally arises beyond the current boundaries. It is a much better "game," I assure you.