Missing ship may have secret cargo

reply to post by Hellmutt
Hi Hellmutt, do you mean they would have sunk the ship and would have taken the cargo? What do you think the cargo is?, I don't think it was a complete missile system. Say it is unconverted depleted Uranium for instance which it seems is almost undetectable, is this not both valuable and dangerous, look at this link for the price of converted DU into tank shells.

www.democraticunderground.com...





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reply to post by smurfy


There's definately something suspicious about the Arctic Sea, and I don't doubt for a second that there was something in that cargo besides timber. Maybe somebody tried to steal that cargo? I don't know. But if Israel/Mossad wanted to stop the cargo from getting to its destination (Iran?), I bet they would have simply sunk it, instead of taking the huge risk of hi-jacking it and float around for weeks.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Hi :-)

The links are really interesting and helpful thanks.. I was expecting that the US/UK/Israel would use this incident as leverage against Russia to minimise Russian co-operation with Iran should an attack on Iran take place. My suspicions are based on the route in question which leads me to feel that the West was the buyer in question not Iran..

I still assume that it was nuclear rather than S300 given the amount of hardware space and the weight/space shipping an S300 system would take on a vessel the size of the Arctic Sea, which is really quite small. So I'm guessing for damage limitation reasons that Russia would also prefer the world think it was an S300 system rather than anything worse.

I would guess the "media" needs to talk things up in that it points the finger at Mossad as the ones who did the deed, as that would also justify their public position on Iran, the boogeyman has tried to buy S300s! but how will a few S300s help, when I would assume they would need a lot to protect their installations. Does anyone know how many they would need to defend against a concerted attack?

Yes they could purchase enough bits to start their own S300 production line, but that would take years of work to be an effective defence shield. So that just does not hold water with me, as all the threats are now, beside by that time the West will have ways of countering S300 missiles.

A logical Iranian purchase would be for offensive purposes rather than defensive, and 3 X-55 cruise missiles with nuclear warheads would be enough to wipe Israel off the map, hence ensure a MAD position, which would offer greater defence than S300s would, and if Arctic Seas cargo was really destined for Iran, that would be my assumption.

The methodology being sold to the public smells bad to me, Iran would go for something small but effective now, not something that would be effective in 5 years and at a best guess would be out of date when it comes into service.

So my suspicion by the route she took the cargo was destined for a Western buyer either Western Government as leverage against Russian co-operation with Iran, or for a Terrorist organisation planning an incident in the West. I feel sure that it will turn out the cargo is in the hands of Western nations rather than a Terrorist group.

Bin Ladens "present" to Muslims had me really worried for a while, but since this now appears (as your links show) that the incident is being used as leverage against the Russian, I feel happier, tho not happy enough since this thought leads me to assume an attack on Iran could be imminent unless Iran finds a way of appeasing Western demands, which it seems to be trying to do at the moment with it's counter proposals.. lots of face saving going on at the moment, but will it be enough, I've no idea.

Ok so they're giving the ship back to the Maltese now. If it really were modified to carry huge missiles would they just hand it over so it can be used again? That kind of goes against the theory that the ship was modified to hide missiles.

for what little it may matter.....

I saw on MSM tv about the Russian cargo ship secretly carrying missiles to Iran.

By the time it hits msm, all is done except for the yelling.

reply to post by Hellmutt


Israel has already stopped a few ships with weapons heading to Iran and their lapdogs hezbolla terrorists and hamas terrorists.

In these cases-reported on ATS for that matter- the weapons were removed but the ship was not sunk.

Yeah except there isn't a single source that there were weapons or mossads etc. involved. Only guesses from online sources spreading like a virus.

reply to post by smurfy
The ship going to Israel makes sense a bit because if it had wmd or just weapons they could be stocking up for a conflict with whoever they choose.Also there is a Jewish= Russian/Israel connection with a lot of Russians being Jewish and supporting Israel(I know quite a few that definitely support Israel). Here's another thought if it was Russians selling it to Iranians why would they bring it to Iran and not just deliver it to the target for the Iranian buyers and then detonate it off the coast of Israel.
Don't know what to think with things changing all the time but if weapons were being transported to a destination these could be possible scenarios. What do you guys think? Peace to the middle east.

I'm curious as to why the ship was taken under tow for the voyage back to Russia. The nature of the "damage" which was alluded to has never been exposed. Did someone carve into the vessel to extract the "hidden cargo"?

Yeah that's one theory but I don't think they'd give the ship back so soon. It would take some time to fix the ship up so that there can't be any future incidents with that.

reply to post by Old Farmer


One of the possibilities is lack of fuel, the ship was supposedly found at a distance from its starting point that would imply that it wouldn't have enough fuel even to reach Gibraltar.

reply to post by ArMaP
Hi ArMap it was indeed thought by some sources in August that the 22 days sailing time was what the ship was equipped for, Cape Verde was the end of the line for that range. So just sail the ship until it conks out because it no longer has a secret cargo. That way anyone on board who was not supposed to be there, could only be charged with what? Piracy, Joyriding, Kidnap.
The S-300 scenario I think is out, and Iran may already have that system anyway courtesy of another ex-Soviet Union state, Croatia. Once you have got these systems a bit of copying is inevitable. If you can't copy it yourself, ask someone else to to do it..send it to China.



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reply to post by smurfy


Yugoslavia was never a part of the USSR.

reply to post by Hellmutt
Hi Helmutt,

It was a communist state after royalty at some time, so please forgive the misnomer.

Any of you guys catch Netanyahu taking a secret trip to Russia to talk about weapons sales.huh makes one wonder if he is discussing wheres my weapons?or why are you selling weapons to Iran? or how'd you guys f this up so bad? or wheres my money? or how are we going to set up Iran now?or is it ok if we attack Iran?....

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As with any good staged magic act, the man doing the act, wants you to watch the girls or one hand while the other is doing something else. It is called misdirection.
The missing Russian mystery ship was intentionally called to international attention wasn't it? And once found, it turned out to be nothing.

"Oh my God where is it, what happened to it, did it sink, was it hijacked...OH Dear god, help us find it everyone." Where's Waldo?

Meanwhile, somewhere else on the earth, a soviet sub, or perhaps freighter slipped into a harbor in the dark of night. What was it all about it?

An international game of hide the baloney was taking place. The big one was probably illegal and most likely nuclear in nature. The Russians are masters at running a three ring circus of international intrigues.

"Pay no damned attention to that man behind the curtain, look over here!"

Hello Waldo! OH! wait...Uhh, that isn't Waldo! We've been duped.

The APPLAUSE SIGN LIGHTS UP! Cheers and whistles break out.



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reply to post by A por uvas

If it was a secret trip how do you know about it and what was discussed?

reply to post by ArMaP[/Monday reporters were asking where he was and the prime ministers office said he was on a military tour until the late afternoon.Monday evening the military secretary said he was on a visit to a military facility.Wednesday the office of the PM confirmed he was secretly meeting in Russia to talk about the sales of weapons.You see it was a secret until wednesday and still a secret to me until last night.Secrets aren't always kept a secret. go figure. Peace to the middle east.