Missing ship may have secret cargo

reply to post by PsykoOps


There's a whole lot of allegedly and secretly involved with this mystery...

I see you are from Finland, what's your theory on what happened?

I'm actually really not sure. It couldn't have been anything major because there are too much to point against that. Something small, like a suitcase nuke however would get the spy agencies blood boiling easily. That would also explain the cover up.
Not long ago they reported here that the pirates asked for their trial to be held in Finland or Sweden but after that it's been really quiet.

Looks like whatever was on the ship is no longer on the ship

Prosecutors confirm Arctic Sea anchored off Gibraltar

MOSCOW, October 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russian prosecutors confirmed on Thursday that the Arctic Sea cargo vessel, at the centre of a mysterious hijacking case in July, is currently anchored off Gibraltar.
The Finnish-owned, Maltese-flagged cargo ship manned by a Russian crew and listed as carrying lumber from Russia to Algeria, was reportedly boarded by a group of eight men on July 24. Officials later said it had disappeared in the Atlantic. It was freed off Cape Verde on August 16 by a Russian warship.
"The Arctic Sea vessel escorted by a tugboat and the Ladny patrol ship is currently anchored off Gibraltar in the Mediterranean," the Investigative Committee at the Russian Prosecutor General's Office said in a statement.
The captain and three crew members are on board.

More here:

Freed Arctic Sea awaits owner


Anchored off Gibraltar waiting for the owner to come pick it up?

Why wouldn't Algeria allow the ship to deliver it's timber cargo? It's like a hot potato... no one wants the ship near them..

Why???

Russian weapons systems/components for Iran

So, do you have any source for that. Even a single one that doesn't just guess and use anonymous 'sources'?

The Arctic Sea is now heading for Malta...

www.timesofmalta.com

..."After standing at anchor for nearly two weeks in the Mediterranean Sea near eastern Gibraltar, the Arctic Sea has begun moving toward Malta accompanied by ships of the Black Sea Fleet," the source told RIA-Novosti.
"The arrival in the Maltese port of Valletta is expected on October 29," the source said, adding that Russian officials would then take part in negotiations on the ship's handover.
Solchart, the Helsinki-based company that owns the Arctic Sea, could not immediately be reached for comment....

Negotiations? I thought the vessel was handed over to the owners? What's there to negotiate? the story?

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
I thought the vessel was handed over to the owners?

If I remember it well, the owners did not wanted the ship back, that was one of the reasons of the initial confusion in the Canary Islands.

But I may be mixing things up, this whole case is very mixed-up already.

It would be nice to know who the owners actually are, ie; Solchart are supposed to be an agency, but then they may have other divisions that can own stuff, or look after maintenance, personnel, security and so on.

We've gotten a clearer picture of illicit cargoes in the last week. With Iran acknowledging it's second nuclear plant, mysteriously embedded inside a mountain, and their agreement to transport their uranium to pbe processed in Russia, experts are having a speculation enforced.

Iran has been quietly buying up uranium on the back market. But a problem is there is no guarantee of grade quality. There have been reports of serious accidents in the country, and a new concern is not so much with them shipping out a dirty bomb as "blowing their bloody heads off themselves."

Nukes aren't things to be played with. One mistake can cause inestimable damage and loss of lives.

So the Russians are happy. They can still sell their junk equipment and outdated technology to Iran, but control the progress of their volatile neighbour in the nuclear proliferation game.

The mysterious ship can be assumed to have been carrying something the Russians and Iranians choose not to talk about.

Until proven otherwise, at least.


M

reply to post by mmiichael
I'm not convinced that Iran was to be the receptor of dirty stuff from the Arctic Sea, it just seems too politically inspired and now we have UN inspectors there in Iran to boot. Why not Syria with insurgents in Iraq, todays/yesterdays bombs in Baghdad were huge by any standard, could they have been mini-nukes? Syria is alledged to have a nuclear programme. Why is a boat with three people on board still being treated like the plague?

edit to add, there is nothing quiet about the way Iran is going about its business.



[edit on 25-10-2009 by smurfy]

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by mmiichael

 

I'm not convinced that Iran was to be the receptor of dirty stuff from the Arctic Sea, it just seems too politically inspired and now we have UN inspectors there in Iran to boot. Why not Syria with insurgents in Iraq, todays/yesterdays bombs in Baghdad were huge by any standard, could they have been mini-nukes? Syria is alledged to have a nuclear programme. Why is a boat with three people on board still being treated like the plague?

Syria is one of the poorest countries in the world. They have lived on subsidies from their sponsors, Iran and to a lesser extent terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, to act as a waystation and safe house for high level illegal activity. The joint effort North Korea and Iran nuclear plant being assembled in Syria was only one brought to light. It is believed they still house Saddam Hussein's interrupted biological warfare weapons, the final plans for which are anyone's guess.

As a serious political or military entity they are off the map. They're paid to keep Israel on it's toes, and now as a foothold in Iran's new expansionist efforts.


M

Originally posted by mmiichael
Iran has been quietly buying up uranium on the back market.

How much uranium? How do you know this is true if Iran has been doing its buying quietly? Does Iran inform you personally when it makes black market uranium purchases?

Please post your sources, otherwise I'll just have to read it as being your speculative opinion, mmichael.

[edit on 25-10-2009 by tezzajw]

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by mmiichael
Iran has been quietly buying up uranium on the back market.

How much uranium? How do you know this is true if Iran has been doing its buying quietly? Does Iran inform you personally when it makes black market uranium purchases?

Please post your sources, otherwise I'll just have to read it as being your speculative opinion, mmichael.

The overworked trick of telling someone they have to provide an internet link doesn't work with me. I'm in regular conversation with Iranians. The government there does not make announcements of their dirty deeds. But there is an active Iranian community in exile communicating on Twitter about all levels of domestic activities gleaned from those working in the country.

You can go there and post a question if you require source references.
I know it's a bit more laborious than tying a couple words into Google. But I'm sure you can do it.

M

Originally posted by mmiichael
I'm in regular conversation with Iranians. But there is an active Iranian community in exile communicating on Twitter about all levels of domestic activities gleaned from those working in the country.

Well that's a believable, reliable souce if I have ever seen one.

Thanks for posting your pure speculation about what you think you know what Iran does on the Black Market in terms of uranium purchases.

I guess it would be too much to ask you who sells the uranium to them? Do you also twitter with the Black Market sellers?

Have you informed the UN that you know about Iran's Black Market uranium deals via your twitter sources? If not, why? Your intelligence could help the USA mobilise for war to stop Iran's illegal, Black Market trading.

[edit on 25-10-2009 by tezzajw]

I don't speculate. I just report what I've read and been told by informed sources.

The subject is widley discussed on political and military forums as well as Iranian blogs.

The earliest report of the nuclear black market I know of was here:

www.military.com...

N. Korea Suspected In Sale Of Nukes
Associated Press
May 24, 2004

VIENNA, Austria - North Korea has emerged as a possible supplier in the clandestine nuclear network, with diplomats on Sunday saying the communist country was the likely source of nearly two tons of uranium that Libya bought for its now-scrapped weapons program.

The revelations stoked concern that Iran and other nations also could have benefited from cooperation with the secretive nation to get fuel, components and the knowledge needed to build nuclear weapons.

Previously, Pakistan - the key country implicated in a worldwide nuclear black market - had been thought to be the source of 1.87 tons of uranium hexafluoride that Libya handed over to Americans in January as part of its decision to get rid of weapons of mass destruction.

Now, the evidence increasingly points to North Korea, the diplomats said, though they cautioned that the investigation was not yet complete and other sources for Libya's program could not be ruled out. The diplomats spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

The new evidence pointing to North Korea came from the International Atomic Energy Agency and was based on interviews with members of the clandestine network headed by Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani scientist implicated in selling his country's nuclear secrets to Libya, North Korea, Iran, and possibly other countries, according to one diplomat.

A U.S. official, however, told AP that U.S. intelligence was "still pursuing" the alleged North Korean link "to see how much truth there is to it" and needed more information to "disprove" Pakistan as the source.

One major proliferation concern is Iran, whose nuclear program already is under scrutiny because of fears it might be developing weapons.

Iran's activities are up for review next month when the International Atomic Energy Agency's board meets to discuss the state of investigations into programs that go back nearly two decades and include covert attempts to enrich uranium, reprocessing small amounts of plutonium and other suspect activities with possible weapons applications.

Inspections last year by the Vienna-based IAEA showed that Iran failed to report imports in 1991 of large amounts of uranium hexafluoride - the same substance shipped to Libya, apparently by North Korea.

While the origin of the Iran shipments was China, other channels of weapons cooperation between the communist North and the Islamic regime appear to exist at least since the early 1980s, when North Korea sold about 100 refitted Soviet Scud B missiles to Tehran, which used them in its war against Iraq.

More recently, Japanese media quoted unidentified military officials as saying North Korea and Iran had agreed on joint production of long-range ballistic missiles. One of the diplomats who spoke to AP on Sunday cited intelligence saying that North Korean officials were believed to have visited Tehran last year, possibly in connection with such a deal.

Pirouz Hosseini, Iran's chief delegate to the IAEA, said he was "not aware of such cooperation at all," between his country and North Korea.

"These are just intelligence reports," he told AP.

One of the diplomats said as far as he knew the IAEA report up for review in June would not link North Korea to Iran's nuclear programs.

But another said that with other countries, notably Pakistan, now established as supplying both Libya and Iran with centrifuges for uranium enrichment, further investigations could also well connect North Korea to Tehran, considering the "interlinkage between suppliers and recipients that runs through the investigations into the (nuclear) black market."

M


[edit on 26-10-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael
I don't speculate. I just report what I've read and been told by informed sources.

N. Korea Suspected In Sale Of Nukes
Associated Press
May 24, 2004

VIENNA, Austria - North Korea has emerged as a possible supplier in the clandestine nuclear network, with diplomats on Sunday saying the communist country was the likely source of nearly two tons of uranium that Libya bought for its now-scrapped weapons program.

The revelations stoked concern that Iran and other nations also could have benefited from cooperation with the secretive nation to get fuel, components and the knowledge needed to build nuclear weapons.

The report is pure speculation. Read the bolded words - suspected, possible, likely and could have. There's not a definitive quote in the whole article.

You might not speculate, mmichael but your sources certainly do.

Thanks for contributing your pure speculation about what you think Iran is doing on the Black Market. I'm sure it will be panicked now that you have let its secret out.

Originally posted by tezzajw
You might not speculate, mmichael but your sources certainly do.

Thanks for contributing your pure speculation about what you think Iran is doing on the Black Market. I'm sure it will be panicked now that you have let its secret out.

Why don't you do your own research instead off whining about whatever is linked to here?

Where are your links that disprove what Iranian bloggers and reporters in 20 countries are saying about the uranium black market?

Are you really incapable of joining a news discussion group and reading what informed people have to say?


M

Originally posted by mmiichael
Where are your links that disprove what Iranian bloggers and reporters in 20 countries are saying about the uranium black market?

Where are your links to prove what the bloggers are saying is true?

You know, evidence, proof, truth... all that stuff which confirms a story with accurate details.

mmichael, you can believe your bloggers and act as though you know the intimate dealings of Iran with respect to it buying uranium on the Black Market. However, you're going to miserably fail trying to convince a lot of other people that your intel is accurate.

How much uranium did Iran buy? On what dates? No facts to answer these basic questions, mmichael?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by mmiichael
Where are your links that disprove what Iranian bloggers and reporters in 20 countries are saying about the uranium black market?

Where are your links to prove what the bloggers are saying is true?

You know, evidence, proof, truth... all that stuff which confirms a story with accurate details.

mmichael, you can believe your bloggers and act as though you know the intimate dealings of Iran with respect to it buying uranium on the Black Market. However, you're going to miserably fail trying to convince a lot of other people that your intel is accurate.

How much uranium did Iran buy? On what dates? No facts to answer these basic questions, mmichael?

For your totally uninformed information, there are poilitical forums and ranian bloggers who speak to people in Iran, with intelligence communities, investigative journalists.

You woundn't know. I doubt you're capable of much more than looking at Youtube. Every post is an attempt to demonstrate some notion of superiority knocking down what others forward. Yet you contribute northing at all.

Where is your information that disproves anything I have mentioned?

Either put up or shut up.


M

[edit on 26-10-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael
Where is your information that disproves anything I have mentioned?

Where have you proven anything that you have mentioned?

You've claimed to be in intimate contact with twitters and bloggers who know the secret dealings of Iran buying uranium on the Black Market...

You've told us all a nice tale so far, without anything to substantiate it, other than a speculative report!

Wait, let me guess, you're meeting James Bond on twitter tonight, so he can give you his daily de-brief? He's stationed in Tehran right now, isn't he?