Missing ship may have secret cargo

ALERT:
I found this this morning:
Disturbing reports are circulating in the Kremlin today over what Russian Military Intelligence analysts are stating to President Medvedev [photo top left] is the “likely theft” of 3 atomic armed cruise missiles recently recovered from the crash site of the Northern Fleets worst ever submarine disaster caused by a still “unexplained” explosion on the K-141 Kursk, and which claimed the lives of all 118 crew members.

According to these reports, the Northern Fleet, working conjointly with Finland Military Forces, utilized the “underwater capabilities” of the Arctic Sea [photo second left] to locate and raise the 3 missing Nuclear Armed P-700 Granit Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles that Russia had not allowed to be salvaged by the Dutch companies Mammoet and Smit International contracted to raise the Kursk in 2001.

Once the nuclear armed cruise missiles were safely aboard the Arctic Sea, these reports continue, their journey was to have taken them across the Atlantic to the United States where they would then be transferred to the care of the US National Nuclear Security Administration where they would then be safely dismantled at what is called the Pantex Plant located in the State of Texas as per the provisions for eliminating these weapons contained in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START II).

This did not happen, however, as these reports state that when transiting the English Channel the Arctic Sea was “hijacked” by as yet “unidentified commandos” who stormed the ship purporting to be “anti-drug police” in what the Maritime and Coastguard Agency is calling a most “bizarre” situation

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

I am not sure if this has been put out already, but it sure interested me.

reply to post by 11b1p

just thought of something though, for a war with iran, we would have to pull all our troops outta iraq quick fast and in a hurry. do you really see that happening?

Why do you think Obama and his buddies care about the fate of American troops? John Holdren is obama's science advisor, and the guy is really into cutting World Population. What better way than to get rid of lots of breeding age males?

I would not trust this administration not to consider US troops as expendable "Cannon Fodder"

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ooohhh come on the reporter is the one and only Sorcha Faal....the master of fiction !!

snoopyuk

To those of you who think it is not possible to lose a ship off the coast of an indutrialised nation do you have any idea how many ships transit the english channel in one day and what a narrow stretch of water it really is

Have a look at www.marinetraffic.com... which shows live ship tracking globally at how many ships are currently in the channel or around the coast of the UK. Its a wonder that more don't go missing if anything!

Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer

Originally posted by john124

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Yes, absolutely!!!

Had that been the case, I'm afraid it would be all I'd hear about for the next 4 weeks before bombing Iran.

I am personally too wrapped up with watching which celebrity Over dosed, or where their new hot places to go are......

I'd hate to miss my celebrity breaking news...

One problem.... British media were actually discussing this in as much detail as they possibly could.

This Fox news driven paranoia that drives conspiracy theories because fox is crap has gotten old now.

I understand you may wish to see conspiracy in everything that involves crap american media services, and that you feel so important that your govt. tries to deceive you at every angle. But really.... you aren't that special, and things happen in the world without the CIA always behind everything.

Hi John,
I'm in the UK, and there was some limited media coverage of a ship going "missing" in the English channel. I think it was also mentioned that it had a cargo of timber. But the story vety quickly disappeared, and I haven't seen or heard anything since on UK MSM.
I certainly did not hear the matter being discussed in any detail.
On the contrary, the silence - since the initial reports of the disappearance - has been deafening.

Actually yes I posted that before reading the news today or watching the news. You're correct it has gone eerily quiet on this story. It was mentioned 2 days ago on Channel 4 and BBC, and yesterday on the same channels with 5 Russian warships on the lookout with Russian's looking thru' binoculars and manning guns. But nothing since then.

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Hi snoopyuk !

Do they still report this in Portugal, that the ship was identified off their coast ? Because it was said Portuguese authorities denied it. It's interesting.

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It doesn't make any sense, friend. If several major powers were aware of what was in the ship, there is no way they'd have lost it. They would have it always under high surveillance.

reply to post by arnold_vosloo


The English Channel is the last spot where you could lose a ship. It's watched closely from both sides of the Channel because of the heavy traffic. It's a very important commercial route and a strategic passage. An accident can always occur. The passage must remain safe.
Anyway, from what we are told, the ship was not lost in the English Channel though the information keep coming in very confused and conflicting.

Since yesterday, this story is fairly mainstream in France and makes the TV news.

People....Dont belive this crap. Ships can't go missing. Most ships, and all ....I say all, cargo ships are fitted with Tracking Systems. Plus, you can't loose a ship in the English Channel. It aint happening.

www.gpsdaily.com...

Have a look at this interesting article about tracking ships. Basically, it is not possible to loose the ship. It would appear on coastal low level radar, its fitted with tracking, and satalites would have picked it up in a second. Whats on it then 1) Nothing ! Just part of the spread the fear campaign. 2) UFO 3) BFB (Big F88cking Bomb.

Lets think about this as well. Your from somewhere around Europe. You have the means to take a tanker. Luck Sh1t are you going to take £2mils of timber which you can't resell. Flipin heck they must think we are thick. YOU CANT LOOSE A FRIGIN SHIP!!!! I know one tanker coming across the the UK loaded with about £400 Mils of technology i.e. BMW Bikes, CPU's , LCD TV's...the works. Im no criminal but I could tell you which one I would go for....Oh. And where on earth would you sell timber anyway. I mean come on. Unless the ship was taken over by telly tubbies...who wanted to build LA LA City.

If something happens people, its not Islam, Its not Iran, Its not Russia....its the Good Ol' USA/UK.

Finnish media told Arctic sea was in Kap Verde west coast of Africa. Two sources. Two hour later they say no confirmation. Very strange.

reply to post by hande


All of the recent references to sightings in the azores, sao antao? are filtering down from the original Financial Times Deutschland article mentioned earlier.
The translation of that (using Google translate) is a bit garbled, but it seems to say that the Arctic Sea was seen in that area by two sources?
They also mention that it has been hijacked and that they will be seeking a ransom? but the source is suspect (to say the least).
I'm not convinced by these latest reports yet, could be another red herring.

any1 ever played call of duty MW at the begining a russian container ship smugeling a nuke is boarded by specal forces and then when the radio they have caputed the ship the russians bomb it to hide the evidence that they have been selling nukes on the black market

Hehe, reminds me of the came World in Conflict.
The opening movie, some russian cargo ships docks and attack helicopters comes out of them ..

But that is just a game.
Could this be an Nuke catalyst ?
The ship gets 'hijacked' and the terrorists 'rig it with nukes' and brings it Us.

reply to post by kilas

If something happens people, its not Islam, Its not Iran, Its not Russia....its the Good Ol' USA/UK.

I agree that it is not regular ol' pirates, but I am not ruling out Russia, Islam, and Iran, or USA/UK for that matter.

The Russian response is extremely odd. They would not have responded in this way, unless they knew what was on board the ship! The USA/UK response is odd also; they are barely responding at all, which means they probably know whatever was on the ship has already been removed!

Iran/Islam is not claiming any responsibility for any of this, or denying it for that matter? You would think this would be a perfect opportunity for them to get some propaganda out, either "Look what we can do" or "Look what the evil West is plotting"?

NOBODY IS DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD? This is the oddest set of circumstances that I have ever seen!

Originally posted by sapperranger04
ALERT:
I found this this morning:
Disturbing reports are circulating in the Kremlin today over what Russian Military Intelligence analysts are stating to President Medvedev [photo top left] is the “likely theft” of 3 atomic armed cruise missiles recently recovered from the crash site of the Northern Fleets worst ever submarine disaster caused by a still “unexplained” explosion on the K-141 Kursk, and which claimed the lives of all 118 crew members.

According to these reports, the Northern Fleet, working conjointly with Finland Military Forces, utilized the “underwater capabilities” of the Arctic Sea [photo second left] to locate and raise the 3 missing Nuclear Armed P-700 Granit Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles that Russia had not allowed to be salvaged by the Dutch companies Mammoet and Smit International contracted to raise the Kursk in 2001.

Once the nuclear armed cruise missiles were safely aboard the Arctic Sea, these reports continue, their journey was to have taken them across the Atlantic to the United States where they would then be transferred to the care of the US National Nuclear Security Administration where they would then be safely dismantled at what is called the Pantex Plant located in the State of Texas as per the provisions for eliminating these weapons contained in the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START II).

This did not happen, however, as these reports state that when transiting the English Channel the Arctic Sea was “hijacked” by as yet “unidentified commandos” who stormed the ship purporting to be “anti-drug police” in what the Maritime and Coastguard Agency is calling a most “bizarre” situation

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

I am not sure if this has been put out already, but it sure interested me.

I read sapperrangers post earlier, and wasn't impressed by the un-named sources and "underwater capabilities" of the Arctic Sea (freighter!!) which supposedly aided the recovery of three nuclear armed cruise missiles from the site of the Kursk submarine disaster, until I found this photo:



Anyone else see the mini-sub mounted on the rear deck???
Sorry sapperranger, I can now see how this adapted freighter could easily have "underwater capabilites" which could well be used to recover cruise missiles from the sea bed.
So, question is... are they still onboard?
Hijacked whilst being sent to USA for disposal as part of START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty)?
Would Russia hijack it's own nukes?
Would US/UK hijack them, if they were being sent to US anyway??
Were they actually being sent to middle east as suggested earlier? and US/UK had to intervene??
This just gets better and better.
G

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Spend millions of $ in search of a ship with only 1.6 million worth of ``wood``? Does that even makes sense? No it doesn't.

1.6 million of timber... okay, yes.
How much do you evaluate all the crews lives are worth? because CLEARLY the Russia are out for wood.


Does money rule your world? If so, I'm sorry to hear that.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
The Russian response is extremely odd. They would not have responded in this way, unless they knew what was on board the ship!

Why ? What is the appropriate response when a ship with 15 nationals on board is missing and maybe hijacked ?
If the Russians knew from the beginning what was on board, you would think they had reacted earlier, right ?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
The USA/UK response is odd also; they are barely responding at all, which means they probably know whatever was on the ship has already been removed!

The US have no requirement to communicate on this issue at the moment.
The UK are reported searching for the ship and they have apparently made public the information they have.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Iran/Islam is not claiming any responsibility for any of this, or denying it for that matter? You would think this would be a perfect opportunity for them to get some propaganda out, either "Look what we can do" or "Look what the evil West is plotting"?

But YOU didn't miss this perfect opportunity

reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


Nice picture, but this is no mini-sub, this is a freefall lifeboat. We see them on most ship that travels in the north atlantic. Those are just closed escape raft.

Either the Artic sea is a diving support vessel or it is a freighter. I have never seen one that is both. This is what a diving support vessel looks like.

Edit to add links


[edit on 14-8-2009 by grandnic]

*MISSING FREIGHTER FOUND OFF CAPE VERDE, COAST GUARD SAYS: AFP... just a headline on bloomy

reply to post by Manouche


Manouche, I don't know what to make of your reply?

How did I "not miss this perfect opportunity?" I didn't accuse anybody of anything. I simply said that I wouldn't rule anybody out yet.

The Russian response is disproportionate! It was not even flying under a Russian flag, or with Russian Cargo! So they are going to send their Navy all over the world for every mistreated Russian Worker?

The US almost always makes a statement and an offer of help, but they have been silent.

The UK basically had it disappear from their backdoor, of course they are helping in the search, but obviously they are not using the resources that would actually FIND it! The US/UK could have found that ship within minutes if they truly wanted to!

I was only stating all the odd anomalies in this missing ship scenario, nothing about the reported story makes any sense, and neither does the Aggressive response of Russia, or the Laissez-Fairre response of everyone else?

At this point it could still be sunken (my guess) or hi-jacked by just about anybody, or abducted by aliens! Either we aren't getting any of the real facts, or this is such a bizarre event that even the world governments are scratching their heads and acting weirdly!

Well, hi all, been reading on here for a bit now and find myself compelled to reply to this Topic

I heard on RT (Russia Today) news channel earlier today that NATO had found the Artic Sea but never got to hear the report due to shopping run lol :/. So thought i'd check there website when i got back.

So here i am, checked the site and now there is no mention of said article which i saw on the TV channel? Strange! However there is mention that source's have said it has been seen of the west coast of Afrika and the Russian Missile Boat has been instructed to go to said area, however, the source's did not wish to be mentioned?

Why don't they want to be mentioned? Anyways, the plot thicken's and i cannot believe the lack of coverage on UK MSM! Last night while watching the 10pm News on ITV i was sure it would be on, however they obviously thought that a man confining himself to island to stop smoking was more new's worthy than a missing Cargo Ship wich could potentially have Nuke's on it.

Saying that though, i don't expect anything else from the corrupt MSM!

reply to post by grandnic


Thanks Grandnic!
It would be somewhat of a relief to find that the Arctic Sea isjust a freighter after all. Apologies for my earlier mis-identification of the lifeboat!

I guess that brings us back to the previous theories about nukes or other secret cargo from Kaliningrad?
It has been confirmed that the vessel was in for "repairs" at the Kaliningrad dockyards, immediately prior to heading for Finland.
I wonder what they were installing? I mean repairing! (obviously!)
G