Missing ship may have secret cargo

Originally posted by john124

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Yes, absolutely!!!

Had that been the case, I'm afraid it would be all I'd hear about for the next 4 weeks before bombing Iran.

I am personally too wrapped up with watching which celebrity Over dosed, or where their new hot places to go are......

I'd hate to miss my celebrity breaking news...

One problem.... British media were actually discussing this in as much detail as they possibly could.

This Fox news driven paranoia that drives conspiracy theories because fox is crap has gotten old now.

I understand you may wish to see conspiracy in everything that involves crap american media services, and that you feel so important that your govt. tries to deceive you at every angle. But really.... you aren't that special, and things happen in the world without the CIA always behind everything.

Hi John,
I'm in the UK, and there was some limited media coverage of a ship going "missing" in the English channel. I think it was also mentioned that it had a cargo of timber. But the story vety quickly disappeared, and I haven't seen or heard anything since on UK MSM.
I certainly did not hear the matter being discussed in any detail.
On the contrary, the silence - since the initial reports of the disappearance - has been deafening.

Just found this report on www.telegraph.co.uk

Link to source article

European Commission maritime officials told The Daily Telegraph that following its first attack in Swedish waters, a second set of radio messages was received from the Maltese-flagged merchant ship after the vessel had passed through the English Channel at the end of last month.

"Radio calls were apparently received from the ship which had supposedly been under attack twice, the first time off the Swedish coast and then off the Portuguese coast," said a Commission transport official.
"The Commission has no further comment to add at this stage, in order not to hinder the ongoing law enforcement activities."

Brussels officials have remained "fully aware of what seems to be the disappearance of a ship flying the flag of a member State of the European Union" but are sceptical of reports of piracy, while refusing to give further details.

"From information currently available it would seem that these acts, such as they have been reported, have nothing in common with 'traditional' acts of piracy or armed robbery at sea," said the official.

Until the latest statement, the last contact with the Arctic Sea was thought to have been via a routine radio check by British coastguards on the vessel as it entered the English Channel on Jul 28.
The communication with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, which appeared to be normal, came four days after the Arctic Sea's Russian crew members had reported a violent armed attack on their vessel in Swedish waters to managers based in Finland, from where the ship set sail.

For unknown reasons, and according to Maltese maritime officials, the reported attack was not communicated to the police in Helsinki until July 28, too late for British coastguards to be alerted to the existence of a possibly hijacked vessel in the English Channel.

The second message was received after the Arctic Sea was last tracked in the Bay of Biscay on July 30 now placing the last contact at the beginning of August and as the ship changed course from its Algeria destination to a new western Atlantic bearing.
Solchart, the operator of the merchant vessel, has blamed piracy for the ship's disappearance.

"My view is that it is most likely that the vessel has been hijacked," said Viktor Matveyev, director of the Finnish company.

Russian space satellites, warships and nuclear submarines have been scrambled in a full scale pirate hunt for the ship amid fears that vessel could be carrying a dangerous "secret cargo".

Before collecting a cargo of sawn timber from the Finnish port of Pietarsaari on July 23, the Arctic Sea had been repaired over a two week period at the Pregol shipyard in Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave notorious for smuggling and lawlessness.
Mikhail Voitenko, the editor of Russia's Sovfracht maritime bulletin, has suggested that the ship might have been hijacked because it was carrying a "secret shipment" unknown to its crew or owners.

"The only sensible answer is that the vessel was loaded with a secret cargo apart from timber," he said.

"I am sure it was not drugs or some other illegal or just criminal cargo. I think that something much more expensive or dangerous. It looks like some third party did not want this trans-shipment to be fulfilled so they made this highly sophisticated and complicated operation."

According to Russia's Itar-Tass news agency, Interpol has reported the Arctic Sea as a hijacked vessel to the world's police forces, making the incident the first case of piracy in European waters in modern times.

this is the Arctic Sea. Notice that the cargo (timber) was loaded on the lower deck. That means that something had been loaded in the hold before.

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We've got helluva lot of coverage here. Maybe our media is just superior to international media?

Nice post, thanks for your hard work.

There is CLEARLY much more to this story, than we know at the moment.

Probably something big too. As is pointed out, the efforts to locate this ship and it's 'cargo' is way over the top if it is just a normal cargo ship with a relatively cheap cargo.

It *could* be a false flag op, (nuke, dirty bomb, viral, bacterial, conventional) although the only proof of this so far is the extraordinary effort being put in to find the ship...so no real proof at all.

It *could* be something more mundane but also dangerous, namely secret transport of nuclear waste sludge from Russia to the US for either deep storage or reprocessing. Either way, i wouldn't fancy accepting the worlds radioactive crap in exchange for money into my country to be buried. But then again, if this were the case, and the ship has been sunk, why would they be franticly searching for it? Surely, it would be 'good riddance' to bad rubbish wouldn't it?

It *could* be something more esoteric. It's possible some 'foreign technology* was being shipped over to be studied or otherwise researched, and someone didn't want this to happen for whatever reason and sunk the ship to prevent this easily happening.
This would be easy to accomplish...board as Interpol, bring in C4 or other compact high explosive, place the charge(s) in vulnerable ship locations, while conducting the 'search' of the vessel, leave and remote detonate a short time later, taking everything to the bottom.

If this scenario is true, then i would expect the ship to have been in some of the deepest waters along it's planned route...where are the searches concentrating? Are they searching the deepest waters mainly?

The upshot is that this is a bona fide mystery. Contrary to others who say the love a good mystery, i do not. I love good facts. Mystery is just another way of describing ignorance. I don't like ignorance, do you?

Thanks for the post.

This Russia submarine close Finland "Suomen lahti" was also interesting 10.8.2009. It was going west direction.

www.iltalehti.fi...

It's all very fascinating, but maybe there's one piece of news that may contribute that has gone under the radar in the western media..

A similar sized ship detained off the east coast of India suspected of carrying nuclear materials.. Now i know it aint gonna be the same ship but the fact that it was suspected of smuggling nuclear materials to or from north korea is certainly interesting..

Here's some links..

Nuclear scientists search ship

Suspicious N Korean ship

reply to post by Moshpet


Yeah? Yawn..i'm sure the families and loved one's of all those affected by these bothersome and boring false flag operations are really tired of it too, don't you?

The problem is, false flag operations are usually only detectable after the event has occurred, this is the nature of secret or black ops.

At the risk of boring you and others, i think every potential incident that *could* be attributed to a negative black op, should be highlighted and discussed in as much detail as possible.

We all know agents lurk and post on these boards. It would be negligent for the *authorities* to do otherwise. If even one post regarding a negative black op, causes the plan (whatever it may entail) to be altered or scrapped completely, because it highlights a potential risk to the perpetrators or similar, then that has to be a good thing, however unlikely that may be.

If the price of this small chance to change things for the better is boredom for you and others, i consider that a very small price.

Perhaps, if it bothers you so much...don't read the posts..simple isn't it.

Spend millions of $ in search of a ship with only 1.6 million worth of ``wood``? Does that even makes sense? No it doesn't. This kind of stuff never happens.

So there was something, information, nuclear material, the ark of covenant...something or someone on that ship very important but SURELY not only wood as they claim.

And yes, the elite is in big trouble, a false-flag is badly needed...

reply to post by Vitchilo


Law enforcement rarely if ever thinks about cost effectivenes. If it did we wouldn't have prisons where governments have to pay large amounts of money to keep the people in etc. You also have to take into account that if the perpetrators of this hijack aren't caught the next ship they hit could be worth 20billion. Also there's the fact that the crew is on board, human life rarely is thought as having a $ value. They will try to find them no matter the cost.

Originally posted by epete22
How can they resemble Americans but speak with an accent.

Well they could be English? Or South African, or Australian, or Canadian, or shall I go on?

Point being they were dressed like american special forces, not that they actually were American 'looking', whatever that means.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Spend millions of $ in search of a ship with only 1.6 million worth of ``wood``? Does that even makes sense? No it doesn't. This kind of stuff never happens....

how much are 15 crew " worth " ?????????????????

how much is the [ speculative ] ` message ` that Russia will hunt pirates to the ends of the earth with the full force of her military to extract revenge " worth " ????????????????

the only thing that does not make sense is your blinkered " logic " that only the cargo value should be considered - the ship itself probally has a value of 5 to 8 million

reply to post by rob20153

Hey, Why not just consider this incident another Gulf of Tonkin type manufactured provocation? Instead of the United States needing a moral justification for a show of force, it's the new and improved Russia. Putin may be an old KGB thug, but sometimes he show more political acumen than the current leaders of the western powers

It certainly wouldn't take much to be a better strategist than Obama and the Congressional circus. How good a strategist the USA is would depend on how much the democratic Congress hamstrung our military given the "love and peace manta" of the democrats.

Just watched a news report on DW TV (Deutsche Welle TV - satellite program).
They had an expert there who said that usually when a ship disappears a signal is sent to all ships in the area and all authorities so they all can search for it.
In the case of this ship, no search warrant was issued.

A wife of one of the russian crew members only got a SMS saying "I miss you".

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

The big question is !!Will the ship be found?
If not then the UFOs could be involved.

george

Missing ship found off Cape Verde

www.ftd.de...:Suche-nach-Schiff-Vermisste-Arctic-Sea-geortet/553576.html

ok the article is in German but basically it says they found the ship

use google translate

hi there to all

as i stated in my earlier msg , this is being reported in Portugal as being missing off the south west coast of Portugal NOT the English channel as being reported in the UK news.

they are saying that it was lost off the coast of Portugal near a town called Sagres. now the Portuguese have a history of giving out too much info that the US doesnt want to be given out to the general public.

right from the start they have said it was lost off the west coast. these reports started to appear in the Portuguese news on saturday and sunday 8th and 9th of August.

snoopyuk

www.bloomberg.com...

bloomberg are saying it has been found but they are not saying where they got the info......

" Aug. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The Finnish company that operates the Arctic Sea, the Maltese-flagged freighter that disappeared in the Atlantic Ocean, said he’s “unaware” of a report that the vessel had been spotted off the Cape Verde islands.

The Financial Times Deutschland reported the sighting today, without saying where it got the information.

Viktor Matveyev, managing director of Oy Solchart Management AB, said by telephone from Helsinki that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev “has the situation under control” and that he hopes for a successful outcome
"
this last paragraph is very interesting.....he has it under control.....mmmm

snoopyuk

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reply to post by DarrylGalasso

This whole story doesn't sound right. I can see no possible way that a ship that large can just disappear off the coast of an industrialized nation, and perhaps any nation. It just doesn't add up.

One of the things I notice is the story said the "course was erratic" while the pirates were aboard. Another member indicated the area has heavily traffic. It seems to me the easiest way to make a ship "disappear" is to swap tracking devices. This would account for the ship making contact a couple days later and then doing a complete disappearing act.

"pirates" come aboard and find something. They remove communication and tracking devices and take them to their "mother ship" and the identities are swapped. The Arctic Sea goes into the home port as the mother ship or just a ship with no tracking devices, and the mother ship heads off to France and Portugal makes contact and then dumps the communication and tracking Devices. This would be easiest to do using a sub.

I think the Artic Sea is in a port being dismantled. The port would probably be within a 24 to a max of 48 hour sail from where the ship was boarded by "pirates"

reply to post by warrenb


The article says that they found a ship that they think is the Arctic sea.