Missing ship may have secret cargo

Originally posted by getreadyalready
NOBODY IS DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD? This is the oddest set of circumstances that I have ever seen!

Excuse me what? I don't understand this, do you mean there should be some kind of different response to this situation?

reply to post by john124


Ah, yep john124 I don't listen to fox noise. I am paranoia driven because of the government.

Expand your thoughts, realize this ship is not missing, and we are being fed lies for some reason. No more lies.

reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


Curious theory that minisub and missile recovery. Considering that the article said that it was done with the cooperation of Finnish Defense Forces (the right title, unlike the original article). Finland is known to have build the best minisubs in the world so the idea isn't that far fetched, too bad the source stinks to high heavens.

[Edit] Oh it's a lifeboat, well live and learn...

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must be a pain in the a** to navigate a ship that size without gps or communications

i can imagen the look on the pirates faces when they tried to raid the ship a second time only to find out its only carrying timber.....

reply to post by Vitchilo

Spend millions of $ in search of a ship with only 1.6 million worth of ``wood``? Does that even makes sense? No it doesn't. This kind of stuff never happens. So there was something, information, nuclear material, the ark of covenant...something or someone on that ship very important but SURELY not only wood as they claim. And yes, the elite is in big trouble, a false-flag is badly needed...

What you just pointed out is what I've been trying to convey. There are other alternatives to viewing these MSM toilet paper stories.....which turn out to be nothing more than ****fairy tales*****.

If all people began thinking in a parallel thought process as you have, then the PTB using their ****smoke, and mirrors****** would be worthless.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by getreadyalready
NOBODY IS DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD? This is the oddest set of circumstances that I have ever seen!

Excuse me what? I don't understand this, do you mean there should be some kind of different response to this situation?

I thought I explained it in that same post prior to the last sentence, but here goes again:

1. Russia is being over-agressive in their search.
2. US is ignoring entire situation.
3. UK did the bare minimum.
4. With worldwide attention and rumors of Nukes, no Terrorist groups have taken credit, or denied involvement.
5. MSM is barely covering it (at least in US).

Don't get me wrong, Russia's search appears to be heroic, but I don't believe they are taking such an active stance just for the crew! I have never heard of them doing anything like this before, and do go missing from time to time. Trucks get hijacked, citizens get kidnapped and robbed. I have never seen this type of response from anybody!

US always comes out and offers resources, search crews, dive teams, technology, even in the case of one missing tourist, but I have seen no formal offer so far?

Terrorist groups always want to claim more strength than what they really have. It gives them recruiting power, and sometimes tactical advantages. In the other cases, they want to disavow any involvement, so as to not suffer any retaliation. Why neither stance on this one?

It just seems to me that everyone knows the situation is not what it appears, and everyone was taken by surprise. The Russians are scrambling, and everyone else is scratching their heads and waiting.

It kind of reminds me of the press and government response when the Berlin Wall came down. Utter surprise and foolish feelings.

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French Defense Ministry told and confirm that Arctic Sea has been found near Cape Verde but now Russian ambassador Aleksandr Karpušin from Cape Verde told that local coastguard has not seen boat. Soon we know more.

reply to post by getreadyalready

I'd have to disagree with this. Considering that something like this hasn't happen before, at least durign my lifetime, the responses seem fit. Why would US do anything unless there was something at stake for them or the ship itself would be close to their resources? Why wouldn't Russia use naval power to look for 15 of their citizens, is there something more urgent and important to do for them?

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reply to post by northwoods


Curious. Why would they first say they were there and later deny it. Makes me wonder if there's any Finn members close by to that port with access to geiger counter...

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by northwoods

 

Curious. Why would they first say they were there and later deny it. Makes me wonder if there's any Finn members close by to that port with access to geiger counter...

I have geiger. Distance to Pietarsaari is not a lot, about 500km. If there's enough radiation I can measure it by staying here

Now the Finns are suggesting the ship was hi-jacked.

"My view is that it is most likely that the vessel has been hijacked," Viktor Matveyev, director of the Finnish company Solchart, which operates the vessel, told Reuters. "We of course hope that everything is okay with the crew."

news.yahoo.com...

They found the ship

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by wayno
Now the Finns are suggesting the ship was hi-jacked.

"My view is that it is most likely that the vessel has been hijacked," Viktor Matveyev, director of the Finnish company Solchart, which operates the vessel, told Reuters. "We of course hope that everything is okay with the crew."

news.yahoo.com...

This is one opinion, "Viktor Matveyev's View".

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Flags and light codes only work in visual distance. Since no one can see the ship these are irrelevant.

The ship apparently has a satellite phone that is turned off.

This is in addition to the various communications equipment they would have on board.

In a serious emergency they could even throw an EPIRB overboard to attract attention.

I think it is safe to say that something has happened to the ship. I believe it was captured by a group that wanted to steal the secret cargo.

There is no info other than it was seen by Cape Verde coastguards 400miles somewhere off the coast of the Cape Verde islands.
It is 2280 miles from Brest to Cape Verde, so the ship is not exactly in a hurry anywhere...unless it stopped off somewhere. Even at 15mph it should have done more miles than that in continuous sailing over 15 days.
It has 1 or none days sailing left before refuelling.In any case it ain't where it's supposed to be, so there could be trouble ahead.

reply to post by smurfy


Smurfy, are you saying it could be out of fuel right now? I just want to understand your post clearly


JT

Originally posted by smurfy
There is no info other than it was seen by Cape Verde coastguards 400miles somewhere off the coast of the Cape Verde islands.
It is 2280 miles from Brest to Cape Verde, so the ship is not exactly in a hurry anywhere...unless it stopped off somewhere. Even at 15mph it should have done more miles than that in continuous sailing over 15 days.
It has 1 or none days sailing left before refuelling.In any case it ain't where it's supposed to be, so there could be trouble ahead.

Based on what shipowner says, the Arctic Sea can continue sailing to the end of August. So there is couple of theorem about how wide operational scale Arctic Sea has.

MOSCOW, Aug. 14 Itar-Tass -- The missing vessel Arctic Sea, with a Russian crew on board, had enough fuel and food to support its operation until September, the ship's operator said on Friday, as suspicions grow that it may have been hijacked.

The ship left port in Finland with a supply of food for 45 days and fuel for 40 days, Ivan Boiko, deputy director of the Arkhangelsk-based company Solchart Arkhangelsk.

There should be no problems with drinking water because there was a water-desalination plant on board, he added.

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Originally posted by rmiller196
reply to post by mrmonsoon

 

Flags and light codes only work in visual distance. Since no one can see the ship these are irrelevant.

The ship apparently has a satellite phone that is turned off.

This is in addition to the various communications equipment they would have on board.

In a serious emergency they could even throw an EPIRB overboard to attract attention.

I think it is safe to say that something has happened to the ship. I believe it was captured by a group that wanted to steal the secret cargo.

i was under the notion that during the "first" attack all communications equipment was destroyed (gps and satelite phones) when the pirates where looking for contraband (drugs/weapons).


stearing a ship that size without anything eles then sea charts is a pain, trust me ., its not like you can uses google map and hope your within 3500meters of your target.

Seems as if most of the MSM is all over this now and they are just as clueless as the rest of us. I can't wait until they make some ridiculous story up to cover this one in an attempt to assure us that "everything is being handled / everything is okay".

reply to post by Greenblaz
That is a possiblity,according to the owner/s the ship had 22 days sailing before refuelling.I'm taking that as 22 days from the 24th July,but it could well from the time it left port on the 23rd July in which case it should be out of puff now, unless of course it stopped somewhere in between.
I would have thought though, that the Cape Verde coastguards would know if the ship was drifting or sailing, but there's no comment on that, other than they would decide what do to if the ship entered their waters.It could be abandoned, but there's not enough info yet.