84-year old Woman Smashed Into the Ground By Cops

Originally posted by Keyhole

Well, because they never asked!!!

They made a decision... because I haven't seen or heard the officer's side of the story, mindset and all, I have to assume the officers believed that someone was in imminent danger.

and before anyone makes the joke... "there was no danger til the cops arrived fnar fnar!"

so don't bother.

[edit on 8/13/2009 by eNumbra]

Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by jd140

 

Well I certainly hope you canread this.

1) An alert has been sent to the mods with regards to your insults. I will let them deal withit.

2 If you look at the video between 42- 47 seconds, the Police officer, grabs the old women by the wrist, twists it, turns her round, uses her leg to trip her up, result the old lady goes down with force that it causes her head to slamm onto the concrete, causing her head to split open. I wonder what other injuries this old lady has occured as a result of this. As people know, bones in a human body are more fragile the older you are.

So that is acceptable yes?

[edit on 13-8-2009 by Laurauk]

1. Could give a crap.

2. I can't see any leg trip. I did see the wrist lock though.

Thanks for trying though.

reply to post by jd140


1minute 28 Seconds, you can see the blood as a rsult of her head hitting the concrete!

3 minutes 4 seconds again you can see the blood from the actions of the Police officer inquestion.

3 minute 12 second, 3 minutes 15 seconds. You can see more blood.

Do I need to continue, cleary shows the the officer overused force on that old lady.

What an incredibly ridiculous argument you have going on here.

One side is making the patently ridiculous argument that a person with a knife is not dangerous because she is old. The other side is making an equally ridiculous argument that the Officer could not have disarmed her in a more humane manner.

Gotta love ATS

reply to post by jd140


You will give a crap when they message you with a warning,

Just shows your biased views on any incident invovling police officers. Not my fault the poilice officer has been caught out for overusing force on an eldery woman.

reply to post by Laurauk



I didn't say that the officer didn't cause the lady to bleed from the head.

What exactly is the purpose of your post?

I agree the officer using a safe method of disarming someone caused her to fall and crack her head. Accidents do happen and I will not beat my chest and protest that she should be fired over it.


Again, what exactly is the purpose of your last post?

Originally posted by eNumbra
Neither do I quite frankly; honestly I think I may never fit in here if I don't join the All Cops Are Nazi Pig Scum Club.
[edit on 8/13/2009 by eNumbra]

That's right, because we defy ignorance.

Originally posted by projectvxn
I can only tell you that had I been there, knife or not, I would have torn that pigs face clean off.

No reason to treat a woman with a mental disorder like that. This pig should have known better. I hope the officer in question has to watch her back for the rest of her life. I don't care if people see this a cop bashing. These pigs are becoming more and more self-entitled thugs and this crap won't stop until someone kicks the crap out of them.


[edit on 13-8-2009 by projectvxn]

[edit on 13-8-2009 by projectvxn]

You said what a lot of us are feeling but didn't have the guts to say. That cop should be not only fired, but the community outcry, picketing, demonstrations, etc should continue until the scumbag and her whole family are run out of town.

Originally posted by projectvxn
I can only tell you that had I been there, knife or not, I would have torn that pigs face clean off.

No reason to treat a woman with a mental disorder like that. This pig should have known better. I hope the officer in question has to watch her back for the rest of her life. I don't care if people see this a cop bashing. These pigs are becoming more and more self-entitled thugs and this crap won't stop until someone kicks the crap out of them.


[edit on 13-8-2009 by projectvxn]

[edit on 13-8-2009 by projectvxn]

They became self-entitled thugs when laws like this became the norm.

In the case of aggravated assault, from a felony of the third degree to a felony of the second degree. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any person convicted of aggravated assault upon a law enforcement officer shall be sentenced to a minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years.

Source

When someone is treated above the law they are going to act above the law.

Notice how automatically it gets changed from a 3rd degree felony to a second degree felony and carries a minimum of 3 years. A 3rd degree felony carries a maximum of 5 years, 2nd degree 20-25 years!

Aggravated assault could be as simple as yelling at the cop before you pushed him, that is what makes it aggravated.

If you tackled a cop like the cop tackled the elderly women you would be doing 3 to 25 years in prison.

If the poor old lady did die and that female swine ever did get convicted of manslaughter (which won't happen) she would probably do a year if that.

Cops should live by the same rules and punishments as we have to live by.




[edit on 13-8-2009 by lucentenigma]

reply to post by Blaine91555

What an incredibly ridiculous argument you have going on here.

One side is making the patently ridiculous argument that a person with a knife is not dangerous because she is old.

Well, when you see an old woman who can hardly move...and is not even brandishing the knife...when nobody else in that car park seems remotely bothered, indeed walking within feet of her...then it would seem ridiculous to assert that she was particularly dangerous. She may not even have known she was holding a knife, therefore shouting at her to drop it would make no sense to her.
And for anyone to state this was a life or death situation is somewhat over the top and not based on any visible evidence.
All that cop needed to do was to talk to her normally and quietly in the first instance...and then if she was lunging at the cop's throat, and only then, would it have been ok to take her down. Anyone with any sense knows that if you knock an old person down you are likely to cause severe injury at least...and that the old person will likely die from the shock.
I dunno...I think people's minds are addled from too much junk food or something.

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by Laurauk
reply to post by jd140

 

You will give a crap when they message you with a warning,

Just shows your biased views on any incident invovling police officers. Not my fault the poilice officer has been caught out for overusing force on an eldery woman.

No I won't.

In what way will a warning affect my life?


Your biased views on any incident involving the police has clouded your ability to think clearly. Its okay, it is a common occurance on ATS.

You weren't talking to me I know but I have to comment. You assume the ats member has had dealing with cops, which could insinuate a lot of things, and that has caused a bias toward cops. Haven't you watched the news the past 10 years? Read the news? This cop brutality is a regular thing now and people are finally wising up that cops are not our friends anymore, we need someone to protect us from the cops now!

I have never been arrested, haven't even had a traffic ticket in over 10 years, but wouldn't trust a cop with a 10 foot pole. Anyone who could defend what that cop did is the one with the bias.

reply to post by MegaCurious


You know i'm getting tired of threads that bash the police when they're in the right! The woman had a knife, refused to drop it. Should the police have just let her go because she's old? I truly am one of the first to criticise the police when they screw up and abuse their positions of power. Recent protests here in the UK have seen terrible abuses of police power. However when someone has a knife and a threatening demeanor then the police have the right to throw them face first into the ground and i do not care about the persons age.

Originally posted by ninecrimes

Originally posted by eNumbra
Neither do I quite frankly; honestly I think I may never fit in here if I don't join the All Cops Are Nazi Pig Scum Club.
[edit on 8/13/2009 by eNumbra]

That's right, because we defy ignorance.

Sure; why don't you give us a call the next time you "kick a police officer's skull in" in the name of justice.

If I ever saw anyone treating an old woman like that, I would kick their skull in. Cop or no cop, knife or no knife, there is no reason to treat a woman with a walker-cane like that.

Then show me the slam and not what you would call the aftermath of the slam. Easy really, show me how she ended up like that.

An 80+ year old woman, obviously disillusioned and disoriented, steakknife by her side, after having used it to cut herself from a seat, safety belt, meandering about a Walmart parking lot, posing No threat to anyone but herself, "taken down" by a supposed wrist-lock, resulting in her suffering sufficient (head) injuries to account for multiple pools, blood spots surrounding her head, upper torso region, incapacitated beyond sufficient or "required " restraint.... m'kay.

Accidents happen. If you or anyone else can't see that then I hope none of you have one. Calling for her job because of an accident is very sad.

Yes. Accidents Do happen ... yet in this particular case, circumstance it would seem to have been readily avoidable ... given Proper Assessment of the situation as a whole.

Deny Ignorance, as long as it fits your opinion.

So it would seem.

There are both pros and cons, both sides greatly arguable, to this situation.

I would just like all to pause and think, 'What would I have done in the exact same situation?'.

Most would have done things differently, to either a lesser or greater degree.

However, I believe that not a single one of us is in a position to judge, since we were not directly involved.

For instance, I would have, in all probability, used a greater amount of force than demonstrated. Yet others may have the training and or experience that would allow them to safely use a lesser degree of force than demonstrated.

I think that those with the training and ability to use the lesser degree are in the minority. Yet those that THINK they would have used a lesser degree are in the majority.

All I ask is that everyone put his/herself in the shoes of the officer.

I understand that LEOs are SUPPOSED to be properly trained for these situations, but people are PEOPLE, and everyone will react differently to any given situation. You can argue about their duties, training, etc, until you are blue in the face, but in the end they are people too.

Was the conclusion right or wrong? There are MANY opinions each way, but I know that I would have used whatever force necessary to ensure that I, and all bystanders, remained safe. Bottom line.

I am not one to judge, just one to give my opinion.

Once again, I apologize TO ALL for my earlier infraction, as I am, obviously, biased towards the LEO.

reply to post by 12m8keall2c


This is the third time I have asked and I fear you will continue to dance around it.

Show me the slam.

If you can't show me where the officer plainly slammed this lady onto the ground then there really isn't a need to respond.

One simple request, either ignore it or answer it.

if anyone ever tried that on my grandma they would have a broken back and an unrecognizable face.

heres what I find odd;

dude was filming for a while before hand, like, 'hey this crazy granny is branishing a knife, some ish is about to go down.' I know across the pond they will lock you up for whipping out a knife, but the force was a little much.

like ALWAYS, the video is not on the subject durring the actual take down, (funny how that ALWAYS seems to happen with videos like this)

was she causing a disturbance to shoppers? was she threatening people? and where was her daughter while all this was going down?

Ok, to all those who think the cop was perfectly in the right, was protecting herself in a 'life or death' situation.

Suppose your mother or grandmother has alzheimers or any other disease of the brain whereby they do not even know what they are doing. So one night granny stands in your garden passively holding a steak knife...the neighbours are milling around and seem completely unperturbed...what do you do?

Do you speak to her gently asking what she's doing? Or do you knock her to the ground or worse...seeing as it's a 'her or me' situation...seeing as just because she can hardly walk doesn't mean she's not dangerous....seeing as you have to 'take her out' just in case she lunges at you...seeing as you wouldn't ever put yourself in a situation whereby you don't survive and 'end' the other person first?

What would grannie's fate be?

reply to post by jd140


If you watch the video carefully you can see where the officer did the ol twist and trip just like any schoolyard bully. She turns and moves her right leg back behind the old woman's to trip her. Like I said, kids do it all the time on the playground. Its there -- just watch the clip.