84-year old Woman Smashed Into the Ground By Cops

Originally posted by fleabit
Talk and reason with her?

She is wandering around the parking lot with a STEAK KNIFE IN HER HAND. Her mind is obviously wandering and off in la-la land. You are presuming quite a bit by saying she could be "reasoned with."

So you set up a perimeter and talk her down.

Or you tackle her and crack her head on the pavement.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


I do know what I'm talking about, do you...? You can alway's arm chair quarterback an incident after it's over. The lady was walking around in the parking lot armed with a knife. The cop arrived and disarmed her, end of story. Don't like the way it was done, then YOU do something to change the way cops are taught in defensive tactics. Better yet you disarm the suspect yourself!!!!

If I can do it, there is no reason why these cops can't do it.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Then you volunteer yourself and teach all law enforcement agencies in your area your devine knowledge.

reply to post by MegaCurious


This is ridiculous ! First old people, now what's next, little children? Damned candy-ass cops.

[edit on 14-8-2009 by Striker122]

It's funny the duality of our world.

In the article it said that police in another county in 2004 invited news crews to a demonstration as to just how quickly an officer could be stabbed in an effort to justify a policeman shooting and killing a man wielding a knife. Yet in my state if a citizen shoots a person wielding a knife it is called excessive force and the individual is tried for manslaughter. This just somehow makes no sense at all to me. A policeman has FAR more training than the average citizen. If anyone should be tried for manslaughter it should be the policeman. He has a much better chance of disarming a knife wielding individual than the average citizen could ever hope to have. If I were an attorney I would definitely have this information documented for use in any future manslaughter case I would be defending for similar circumstances. How could any court prosecute under that set of circumstances when the police have went out of their way to demonstrate how dangerous a knife wielding individual could be?

The cane she was using was probably more dangerous than the knife it had a much longer reach,,,,
Lets get real , she was 84 years old

reply to post by eNumbra


Please eNumbra, take a step back and REAAAAALLY assess the situation without taking sides and being stuborn
Clearly, this old lady was already taken over and controlled before she was forced to the ground
Let's not kid around with all of this "assuming anyone is helpless isn't good" and "there could've been a struggle" because that is just bull.
If you seem to think that you would struggle against that 84 year old lady, well, you're truely funny
Seriously, watch the video, pause it, and you'll see that making her head bleed was not at all necessary unless you're a panzi

My first reaction was:
With today's police force, we should all be thankful the old lady wasn't shot dead.

reply to post by eNumbra


that's all fine & dandy, but if the cops were laughing about it later then we have a problem.

the 84 year old with Alzheimer's shouldn't have been left alone.
the cop should have been more careful when handling the little old woman.

in the end the 84 year old woman with alzheimers is the victim. her family & the police let her down when she needed them.




[edit on 14-8-2009 by corusso]

Let me say up front that I am not a fan of the Police in this country.

The first time I watched this video I felt that the officer was overly aggresive and was shocked. But after the second viewing I honestly don't think that the officer did anything wrong.

First the officer orders her to drop the knife. When the elderly woman doesn't drop it the officer attempts to disarm her while standing for a few seconds and then eventually takes her down due to her not complying. For the next 15 seconds or so you can clearly see the officer still trying to disarm this woman while on the ground. Elderly or not this woman was not letting go.

I honestly don't think the officer was purposely trying to bash her head into the concrete but unfortunately it ended up happening that way.

None of this would have happened if her daughter was more responsible. Who the hell would leave their elderly mother with Alzheimers in a car with a steak knife while shopping at Walmart?

reply to post by billybobh3


Wow. Why so angry? Someone die recently?

Anyway, I'm about as impatient and irritable and realistic a person as anyone, but even I can stop and think once in a while instead of seeing fire and jumping up and down on it until it doesn't "threaten" me anymore like some animal might. I have been in this sort of situation before but it wasn't a confused and helpless grandma with a cane and I wasn't trained to be an Officer of the Law. It's is not even close to being "altruistic" to expect a professional to take the time to come to think before she acts. She probably just wanted it to be over with so she could go to lunch and crack wise about her day with a quick call to her other half.

Originally posted by eNumbra
reply to post by Ha`la`tha

 

Here is a nice article, with citations about the effects of Alzheimer's.

I'm not sure even the most silver-tongued person could cut through: (depending upon how advanced her case is.)

Common neuropsychiatric manifestations are wandering, sundowning,[42] irritability and labile affect, leading to crying, outbursts of unpremeditated aggression, or resistance to caregiving.

[edit on 8/13/2009 by eNumbra]

Does this add to or take away from the possible presented danger she was to those around her?

She couldnt walk without her cane.

And in only one outcome could I see this ever being justified - if she saw the officer as a threatening person, and feared for her own safety.

I see no reason for this to have occurred. Many ways to circumvent this abuse, were not considered.

And I stick by my first post; if I see this happen, I will be going to jail for assault of a public officer. Gladly, too. Thugs don't get a roam free card because they are in uniform.

I know bikeys who wouldnt stand for this, let alone do it.



[edit on 14/8/2009 by Ha`la`tha]

edited to erase post because nothing that is said matters, its obvious reading some of these posts that this country is in serious trouble

i am truly scared of my fellow man now

[edit on 14-8-2009 by Dramey]

reply to post by Enzo954


The answer is in your last sentence: She was shopping at Walmart. What does that possibly say about her IQ? Now calm down, I am not saying everyone that shops there is an imbecile, but when a new shirt costs less than 6 dollars, those who do not have higher paying jobs (those that generally require more intelligence) are going to shop there more often. And while saving money is smart, it is also obvious to anyone that likes money, that shopping there will save you said money (usually). So it doesn't take a brain to know that Walmart is generally a cheaper place to get 'yer goods.

My point is, she probably thought that it was no biggie to leave her in the car. And it may be because she isn't that swift and her frontal lobe (the decision making one) never matured like someone who graduates from a nice college.

Flame on.

Its a wounder the cops never shot her dead on the spot.*Snip* could have killed anyone with that knife even children.I can understand why the police did this to protect the public.If i was that cop and she never let go of the knife after the third warning then a bullet to the kneecap would have brough her down quickly.You do not wrestle with someone with a knife and put your own life in danger.

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[edit on 8/14/2009 by semperfortis]

edited for the same reason

words are meaningless when there is such ignorance abound in our world

[edit on 14-8-2009 by Dramey]

still the same reason, at 1st i had a lot up here, then i read some other replies and now im truly just horrified and absolutely disgusted by my fellow man

i am truly ashamed to be part of the same race as many of these humans with a voice in discussion boards

there are very seriously sick people who have been completely corrupted by our society

good has truly been overthrown by evil, hopefully soon all who are good will be dead, and hopefully theres a afterlife where the good can live without the ignorant evil

[edit on 14-8-2009 by Dramey]

Tackling a old women to ground? C'mon guys. How do you justify that this is right? I agree that she shouldnt be walking with a knife and especially because she had alzheimers. But still, I wouldnt be to threatened by a old woman with a knife. She probably didnt even enough strength to do more than cutting someone. It takes a lot of force to pierce bone.

This could have been handled other ways. Also, I've noticed its always the same couple people in these threads defending the cops actions, I bet you are cops yourselves. So typical of cops to not ever admit any wrong doing. It makes me sick. I've seen you guys justify old blind men and 13 year old girls being tasered and stuff like that, its rediculous! You cops are not perfect, deal with it!


[edit on by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by msnevil
reply to post by MabyeThisTimeAround

 

You are taking care of a Nursing home resident familiar with you in a familiar setting. And contrary to popular belief Alzheimer residents still have partial memory, otherwise whats the use for activities to do repetitive activities to reinforce cognitive function. (Do you ever wonder why the Government\facility will spend extra money for activities while every one else is understaffed and over worked?)

Take that elderly person, place her in a unfamiliar setting with many perceived threats and then see how she reacts. Sure you coming up and saying "Give me the knife, Hon" Would work in a familiar setting when she recognizes you. But try this with elderly Alzheimer pt who doesn't recognize you, and your likely going to get hurt.

That and a CNA in a nursing home has a lot more training in working with alzheimers then some so called "pig" who is used to dealing with crack heads and whores. Perhaps you can start a CNA task force to disarm hostile elderly ladies?

Years ago in the city here in Perth, I remember a time when I was at the bus port and there was this old lady, screaming and crying because she didn't remember where she lived. She was completely out of it, lost, confused and scared. No one did anything to help her, and most walked away.

It took one bus driver to walk up to her, and treat her as he would have treated his own mum, and smile to her, asking her if he could help.

The difference was astounding. She calmed down, and explained to him she was lost, despite her having gotten to the city by herself.

Im not sure what happened after that, but I remember a scared old lady, who was frantic with fear, being consoled with the words of a stranger - and not thrown to the ground in order to keep her at bay and shut he up.

OUR GRANDMOTHERS ARE WORTH THAT EFFORT.

Dear god.... the taste in my mouth is not getting sweeter as I read how some people attempt to explain this as reasonable...

Are we as humans now incapable of the most basic compassion? To think that throwing an old lady to the ground, under any circumstance, is abhorrent to me.

I know the human species is doomed, but I had no idea we were that abhorrent as a whole so soon..

I don't know if anyone has already said this (it's a long thread), but you should not hate your country, the USA.

You may hate the police department, and the government, but do you hate the sidewalk? The street, your toilet, toilet paper, the internet? These things are part of your country. You can love your country without loving your government.

reply to post by Dramey


"And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold". Truly this has never been more applicable on a global scale as it is today.

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