Had Enough? Citizen Uprising Takes Hold!

Originally posted by SaraThustra
You sound like something that most people would wipe.

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Now that was funny.

[edit on 8/7/2009 by WhatTheory]

reply to post by Pappie54

I've had three companies in the last 5 years and I and the wife are healthy 58 year old's. Sure I can change providers like we have but I get less each time we do and it will still keeps going up. In the old days it was a surprise when it would go up 5% in a year during the 60s and 70s and you never changed providers.

You must live in a Liberal State. There are a few States that in Insurance are considered "No Fly States" .. These states have Liberal law makers that decided the GOVERNMENT should intervene in Insurance.. as a result, these few states pay two to three times the average rate.

California
Oregon
Washington
New York
New Jersey
New Hampshire

Seeing a pattern? States with conservative small government views have far cheaper rates. The last time I had health insurance (which I always paid for my self as it's always better insurance when it's private and not through an employer) was $53 a month. For full coverage and low deductibles.

But you.. you have trouble paying for your insurance for what ever reason .. so what's an easy solution?

Well you don't want to pay for it your self, so lets have the GOVERNMENT pay for it.... that way you can go on and in a few years retire with full health benefits while... who pays for it?

MY GENERATION

reply to post by burntheships

what is to stop the government from raising the price of healthcare every year...just like they do our taxes?

The system will have to inflate some how.. even if health care inflated at a "normal rate" of 5% .. it would take a 5% tax increase on the basis of the 5-10% tax on income. If it's in line with wage growth, tax percentage would not change.. since health care has ALWAYS been higher than wage growth, health care will be a perpetual tax increase.

Or else paid with debt. Which most of it will be. I don't think the rest of the World wants to pay for the likes of Pappie.

Continued from BTS's prior post...

The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
circleof13.blogspot.com...

At the coming Omaha *(Obama???)* convention to be held July 4, 1892, our men must attend and direct its movement or else there will be set on foot such antagonism to our designs as may require force to overcome.

This at the present time would be premature. We are not yet ready for such a crisis. Capital must protect itself in every possible manner through combination (conspiracy) and legislation.

The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.
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A Florida Court's 'Rocket Docket' Blasts Through Foreclosure Cases
2 Questions, 15 Seconds, 45 Days to Get Out; 'What's to Talk About?' Says a Judge
online.wsj.com...
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When, through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of the government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers.

People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism.

The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.

By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.

Once again...nuff said... :shk:

[edit on 8/7/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Here is you a fact boys. When a stock analyst studies a health industry company, they look to see how many people they drop coverage on every quarter and if your company isn't dropping a number they appreciate, your stock will get hit hard. If another company drops more, they get the investors. This is one reason people are forced to change companies every couple years. You like the system we have where Wall Street rights the rules?
Not every industry needs to be run by the stock market, not every industry needs to be a gambling medium for the rich.

reply to post by Pappie54
Wall St USED to be used as a impetus to AID upcoming and stable companys raise the capitol they needed to advance science/tech/ect through sound lending/borrowing models...

Not any more...Company's stocks are used like a Race Horse at the Belmont...

It better be healthy and have a winning record to justify the bet...if not...everyone needs glue... :shk:

Wow!
The article below is shocking and really confirms that we should NOT switch to national healthcare.

The National Health Service (NHS) in England is the worlds 3rd largest employer.

NHS is world's biggest employer after Indian rail and Chinese Army

Almost 1.3 million people — or the combined populations of Birmingham and Coventry — work for the NHS, which is one of the world’s biggest employers.

Just imagine the number of people it will take to run Obama's nationalized plan here in America. Is this the system we want? I don't think so.

Only the Chinese Army and the Indian State Railways are believed to employ more people — with 2.3 million and 1.5 million staff respectively

Do we really want a system where paper-pushers and administrators out number the doctors and nurses? I don't think so.

This along with the recent Stanford University which shows how much better the current healthcare U.S. system is compared to the UK and Canadian systems, I don't think we can afford to let this happen.

Stanford University Study

Come on people, why would you want the government to control your life when they cannot run "cash for clunkers" and welfare, medicare, medicaid and the VA hospitals are bankrupt and full of fraud, corruption and waste.

reply to post by Pappie54


Very illuminating information. I will do some investigating on that issue. If as you say, the banksters are in control of the insurance industry, that is all the more reason to wrench this desicion about healtcare away from congress, as we know that congress is now controlled by the banking industry

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reply to post by burntheships


Some of the biggest and oldest insurance companies are actually Mutual Companies..

Meaning the Share Holders are in fact the Policy Holders.

If any of you have ever been insured by say State Farm, and you receive a irregular check for a few dollars and wondered why.. that's your dividend for profits.

(the most secure and safest insurance companies are Mutual.. not a coincidence given the volatile nature of the Stock Market)

Originally posted by star in a jar

Just look at Canada, our healthcare is free.

No, you get taxed to the max to pay for it.

Also, what are all those canadians doing in the clinics in U.S. border cities?

Answer: getting the healthcare that the canadian government can't or won't provide.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Yes...and we all know how deep the abyss is when looking into inusrance company corruption. Qeustion is why does the media neglect to report, and the complicit government not regulate the insurance companys as they should?

If the banking industry is at the top of the strings...again...more reason to stop this ObamaCare dead in it's tracks!

Insurance industry corruption allowed to run rampant can be compared to the SEC's complicit actions in the Madoff scandal. They do not regulate because they are complict. Now....magnify that by the untold hundreds of ways to exploit being the overlord of a giant healthcare industry?

If the corruption is bad now as a private industry...it surely would run rampant as a government operated industry.

A retired senior health insurance executive recently gave Senate testimony exposing major health insurance corruption in the companies he worked for, Cigna and Humana. A House subcommittee also recently held hearings exposing the dirty work of the insurance companies. Yet with the few exceptions below, these hearings got virtually no coverage. CNN even mentioned that this news of blatant corruption "got no airtime on the networks."

www.examiner.com...

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You guys ever notice how there are vehicle barriers and other security surrounding Federal buildings? Did you think that was to protect them against terrorists? Not a chance. They know the chances of a terror attack are very slight, and would more often be directed against masses of people (public transportation, sporting events, wherever there were crowds).

The barriers are to protect the buildings against us.

I think what the cops did with the seniors was a smart move. They got them out of the building without force or violence. Could have been a whole lot worse.

You can see it in the faces of these congressmen and women.
Shock...they thought they had carved out a nice niche of a place in the world, safe and lucrative. Thier bubble job is bursting!
They must go home now...and comtemplate a new career.

Question is...where will they go now? We know who they are! Put that in your database!

This folks is not Alex Jones on Inforwars...
This is Peggy Noonan in the Wall Street Journal!

We have entered uncharted territory in the fight over national health care. There’s a new tone in the debate, and it’s ugly. At the moment the Democrats are looking like something they haven’t looked like in years, and that is: desperate.

They must know at this point they should not have pushed a national health-care plan....The net result is falling support for his leadership on the issue, falling personal polls, and the angry town-hall meetings that have electrified YouTube....

..... most damagingly to political civility, and even our political tradition, was the new White House email address to which citizens are asked to report instances of “disinformation” in the health-care debate:you receive an email or see something on the Web about health-care reform that seems “fishy,” you can send it to [email protected]. The White House said it was merely trying to fight “intentionally misleading” information.

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas on Wednesday wrote to the president saying he feared that citizens’ engagement could be “chilled” by the effort. He’s right, it could. He also accused the White House of compiling an “enemies list.” If so, they’re being awfully public about it, but as Byron York at the Washington Examiner pointed, the emails collected could become a “dissident database.”

sbk.online.wsj.com...

Either this is a very wrong turn...in which case Obama will come out and say..."what we meant was" ...or you have had your name added to a dissident data base.

sbk.online.wsj.com...

In pursuit of a Slent Majority

www.sltrib.com...



Pelosi's visit to Denver a lightning rod
www.denverpost.com...

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reply to post by chiron613


Yes I thought that also...maybe the officers in San Fran realized that these retirees were not arrest worthy. But...what did worry me was the statement that was made by Feinsteins staff!

Brunson had said earlier that eight people were being taken into custody, but corrected himself after getting new details from officers on the scene.
sfgate.com

This is what Feinstein is paid with tax dollars to do. It is her public servant job to answer questions about legislation she supports. She represents the people in her state! So how can she vote representing them, if she will not listen to them?

reply to post by AnonymousMoose
believe most people would be fine with healthcare reform...
they are not fine with a complete government takeover and overhaul of the healthcare system.

I agree, but then reality hits me.
Have any of you really been to a hospital recently?
The hospital bill is basically rental of your room.
Everything else is billed seperatly.
Every needle , every bag of saline solution, every test.
And somethimes these test are done over and over, because one of
the multitude of doctors that you will be billed by, didn't have time to read over the notes.
General practioners are a thing of the past, everyone has a specialty.
Anastesiologist, gastrointestional, cardiac, respiratory, these are all and there are many more departments in the very same hospital that you are lying in. They have to be supported also.
What kid graduating from medical school would even consider being a general practioner?? When the BIG MONEY is in specializing.

YES, we have to get a grip on these costs, and when Medicare,
Medicade
and Vets Administraion pay..the price is lower than you or me.

I truely do not know the answer, but I am sure willing to give this plan
a try, because doing nothing will only serve the theives
that are bilking us now.

Originally posted by Pathos
I think what we are seeing is not a party specific protest. Sure, we can point to a Democrat or Republican, but I do not think this is driven by a 'conservative' only perspective. People are genuinely upset about not knowing enough about the heath care bill.

Your right, but there is a difference. I think a lot of Democrats are upset over the universal care possibly being tabled. Which would make the health care nothing more than a cash cow for the private insurance companies at our expense. While the Republicans seem to be believe that it will turn the country in a Communist China clone with free abortions and forced terminations of the elderly.

Though, I had to laugh when I saw a friend of my fathers complaining in a letter to the editor about the evil socialist health care bill and how his surgery he had at 74 would have been denied under socialized health care. For some reason he left out the fact that he uses Tricare(retired military government run health coverage) and Medicare instead of private insurance.

Did they ever stop to think that maybe the American public does not want the President's healthcare bill? Have they ever stopped to think that these mobs are angry because they think the country is going in the wrong direction?

Americans will always speak out against tyranny!
Deal with it!

Angry mobs is what this country was founded on. If we did not have protests against the Tax initiatives of King George and his Governors, we would all be sipping tea right now and thinking that Princess Di was a saint. We have a constitution that gives all Americans to voice their opinions and a government that is supposed to be by the people and for the people.

www.examiner.com...

I think the Sleeping Giant just got wake up call... right on time.... ok, next thing will be riots or selective detention ... humm, no, I think the people will unite, and the bug is used to kill people when they gather in large numbers.... and we have that radio host ranting about a nuke this fall in WDC... (they elites) have planned.. humm, the banks closing AUG Sept... my gosh this is gonna be a busy fall for Conspiracies.... cool...

This is no "citizen" uprising. This rude behavior is well orchestrated by the neocons in union with corporate America (and especially the health insurance giants). Err, by the way you hypocrites, just say no medicare when your time rolls around (and any other 'social' help that may come your way). Hypocrites!

reply to post by whatsup


You are so wrong here it makes me want to scream. First of all, there is no love lost at all between me and the 'neocons', as you put it.
Secondly, being a disabled veteran I feel as if I am actually somewhat entitled to assistance through the Government as my injuries occured while in the Employment of this very Government. However, I don't use it...
Why? Because IT SUCKS!

And I'll give you three things that guarantee that this fraud of a system will suck also. 1) Obama tells us that we will have a choice 2) The bill states that any employer not adopting the Gov plan will be audited by the fed 3) The bill states that the Gov cannot be sued for price fixing. While point number three is illegal in and of itself, when combined with two you have a 100% guarantee that NEARLY ALL employers will adopt the Gov plan because it becomes much more convienent to. Meaning, I lose my insurance anyhow and I never really had a choice at all. And once the Government effectively undercuts all of its competition by selling a product for less than it is worth (illegal) (but it really doesn't cost them anything at all as money is a fascade in this country... they'll make it up in the back end through taxes and you won't be the wiser) YOU WILL see things like... "sorry Mr. Smith, but you cannot have that MRI that shows your progress or lack thereof with your cancer because you are only given a 10% chance of survival."
Socialized care is awesome until you have something go badly wrong with your health, then it blows. Not to mention the fact that the Government is obviously fiscally irresponsible. They will run it into the ground like they do everything else.


Get your damned partisanship out of this discussion, this isn't about party lines, this is about freedom!

I am sick of fools who cannot see that the Government is a two-headed dragon. Sure the Republicans may be siding with folks who are pursuing liberty NOW, but once they gain any sort of standing again they will become the other side of the same coin and the roles will reverse.

(to mods: sorry for the term fools, but the post I am referring to was highly offensive in and of itself.)

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im surprised the cops didnt taser these folks.
but seriously i was just watching cnn and its just disgusting the way the msm is skewing this story. people in this country are pissed and had enough. the time for civil talk is over. people have been trying that for years and has gotten us no where. well its time to stand up and shout and say enough is enough.