what event opened your eyes?

reply to post by Loengard


this was one of the first mainstream news articles that i felt really shed a light on the subject.
dark alliance;story behind crack explosion

Originally posted by Floating thru Reality
I first woke up to the religion trap because it's nonsensical and contradictory. That started me down the path of trying to find what is true. 911 woke me up to the corruption and lies of government. Since then I have found very little that isn't a con.

Seems to be a common thread between us. I first woke up to the many contradictions that was presented to me within the Christian religion. That spurred me on to study all religions from a historical and current point of view. How many of them became what they are today. How many other older religions were simply absorbed and twisted to fit into the going view of the 'big' religions of today and on and on. About how 'hell' was not always around until fairly recently and on and on and on and on.

It opened my mind. Since 911 is the biggest event to take place in my time (I should restate that, biggest event to take place in the open in my time) that is of course the big eye opener to what lengths some will go to gain power. I saw it with my time in the service in intel. I saw what our 'leaders' were willing to sacrifice and do for the 'greater good'.

I believe that in some cases that the people involved truly thought they were doing the 'greater good' for this nation. However, they were never given true insight into the greed factor of the ones above pulling the strings. This is one reason why I feel that many that could have been involved with 911 do not come forward. They still believe that what they did (if indeed this is the case, it's not decided in my mind 100% but pretty damn close) was for the greater good of this nation.

Then I started really looking at the unbelievable number of 'conspiracy theories' that have since been validated by the government itself. And I sit here and wonder why all the skeptics are so quick to jump on people that question the government about conspiracy theories such as 911? They belittle anyone who brings forth valid arguments and try their damnedest to derail the threads. Then they always turn to the most outrageous and ludicrous conspiracy theories about said event and throw that in ALL of the believers of a 'possible' conspiracy. It's a joke really. It just shows me that either they live in a world where the sky isn't blue until they absolutely can touch it with their fingers, see the blue on their fingers, have it tested in a lab, and then and only then believe that the sky truly is blue or they have an agenda.

Because to be very honest with you all, if the government or entities within it have been willing to do the things that has been declassified and released to the public even 60 plus years ago, what makes you think for one second they aren't still doing those things in the name of the 'greater good' of this nation?

I don't know if anyone remembers this news story, but in 2003 an Italian reporter named Giuliana Sgrena was kidnapped in Baghdad and held hostage. Two Italian secret agents, one named Nicola Calipari, rescued her from her captors, but while approaching an US checkpoint during their return, the US soldiers shot at their car. Calipari died after shielding Sgrena's body with his own.

Despite the unbelievable atrocity of the event, I saw only two small, picture-less articles on it in my local newspaper (a large and well-respected one, at that). I was hungry for more information, but I could not find any CNN or FOX videos about it at all.

And then in my searching, I found that the people here at ATS were already investigating, had found photos of the car, analyzed the soldiers' stories, and scrutinized Calipari's autopsy report. I've been a reader ever since!

I was always interested in ET, UFO's, spirituality etc...I just never had that great a passion for it. Honestly I was fooled by MSM and never bothered to look beyond what I saw in the news. I used to believe that if anything of importance were to happen, I'd see it on CNN just like everyone else.

To my credit even back then in my "dark ages", I didn't buy in to fox news...

It was during my varsity days in South Africa that I started to pay much closer attention to this. I was on campus one day and saw a flyer advertising a screening of a Disclosure project video. I felt the need to go, and made time one afternoon, even though I knew nothing of the Disclosure project or it's aims and witnesses.

It was a 2+ hour video, and I was quite impressed at the time. I never thought that the UFO community could ever put together a movement so organized and focused. I even remembered thinking that Greer needed to straighten his tie.
This inspired me to question more and more the lives we lead, and are expected to lead. ET's, Capitalism vs Communism, Religion, MSM, origin of man and history of earth...etc, I asked questions about everything.

I even saved the flyer - It marked a turning point for me

All searches on these topics inevitably lead to ATS, that's how I got here.

I started studying economics in my early teens and my teachers failed to explain monetary policy, inflation and fiat currency to me adequately. I couldn't understand why monopoly money is routinely traded for goods of real use and value. It seemed obvious to me as a fourteen year old that inflation was caused by this practice. A currency with no actual value will always lose value in real terms as time progresses.

I then discovered that money was created as debt, which quickly brought me to the realisation that the monetary system is set up in a way that means millions of people have to be poor, homeless or go bankcrupt every year. It is impossible for that not to be the case, because there simply isn't enough money in circulation to enable everyone to pay their debt and interest owings. For every person that is a billionaire, there must be thousands on the poverty line, as the billionaire causes the money supply to be massively contracted.

This inevitably brought me to the conclusion that corruption must be the reason, and somebody must be benefiting considerably. I discovered the Rothschilds and researching them brought me here 6 years ago and everything became that much clearer.

[edit on 7-8-2009 by mrmanuva]

reply to post by rubbertramp


OMG... No Offense, But I Hope to Goddess that you don't have to HAVE an Event to Wake UP...

This is a silly concept.

Pay Attention and Look Around, It is a Pretty Sobering Sight.

Originally posted by Manjushri Bodhisattva
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

OMG... No Offense, But I Hope to Goddess that you don't have to HAVE an Event to Wake UP...

This is a silly concept.

Pay Attention and Look Around, It is a Pretty Sobering Sight.

no offense taken, if one pays attention, looks around and sees something, is it that much of a difference? they still witness.
i guess not all of us were born enlightened and need to be taught or witness things with our own eyes.

What opened my eyes was when i went to iraq and saw with my own eyes just how much money the government is willing to spend on KBR while us troops make barely enough to put food on the table for our families back home.

reply to post by Stop-loss!


even though i've been against the war from the get go, at times i feel a need to ignore the politics.
in other words, thank you for your service to this nation, i have no doubt you entered with the best of intentions, and i'm sincerely glad you made it back home!

reply to post by rubbertramp



Felon huh? You can’t even vote friend, I am sure you are a little put out. Worse all words from a Felons mouth are to be considered lies by authorities.

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


yup, me and the millions of others.
thanx for sharing.


we can vote in some states now, just so you know your wrong.


[edit on 7-8-2009 by rubbertramp]

The OKC Bombing.. I still think McVeigh was connected with a 2nd bomber who was Jose Padilla.

As a child...I was interested in things like the Bermuda triangle, bigfoot and aliens, still, to this day I don't know why, I remember going to the library as a kid and getting these weird books...but for me it really kicked off in my first year of college (still a student) I took new age philosophy, critical thinking and intro to philosophy...2 classes had the same professor (new age and critical thinking)...he really opened up my eyes by showing the class a sample vid clip of the internet documentary ZEITGEIST lol. He also taught us how to argue scientifically and question things. The tipping point was when in one of my advanced academic research classes in college, we had to choose a topic to research and one fellow yelled out he wanted to do "alien abductions" and then some other guy was like "DUDE you gotta listen to coast to coast am man!" so yea I secretly remembered what he said lol...changed my life. Now I am extremely passionate about politics and philosophy, and I like to apply these passions of mine toward a better understanding of the world around us, by trying to decipher the now DAILY "conspiracies" we come across. Cheers.

I was Intervened into all this by the simple fascination of searching for the truth for Aliens/Ufos and Other phenomenal stuff, Which led me to seeing everything differently . . .

having chemo then finding an article on a totally safe treatment involving iodine which had had success on rats, ..and i found this article in a nexus magazine, where i wasnt expecting to get my information on cancer treatments. little did i know apparantly. funnily enough my doctor knew nothing about the study or about a study with wakame seaweed that found it was more effective than one of hte chemo drugs id just beeen given (5 flouricil).

and also a missing time experience, which i wonder how related to opening my eyes that was. Becuz ever since then i developed this strange compulsion to research megalithic architecture, which led to ufos and everything else. then i realized there wasnt many conspiracy theories, but just one. Becuz everything is linked together. and this makes it a lot less nutty to believe... cuz if there's just one conspiracy that's responsible for everything , then its more likely to be real, than if there are many unrelated conspiracies.

oh but i must say, ive never trusted politicians or those in power. Leaders - politicians, judges, heads of police agencies etc, always seemed to me as if i could sense either evil, badness, or the fact that they werent a very nice person in many of them. I am always amazed that people actually believe what they say, or cannot seem to see what i see. I can see the evil or bad natures in many people in power, and so to me it was never any surprise to discover the rest of the 'conspiracies', becuz they looked like they were up to no good to me anyway.



[edit on 8-8-2009 by rapunzel222]

Originally posted by Haunebu
reply to post by rubbertramp

 

I disapprove Violence in every way, Violence is never necessary, I stand to Hitler because I think that he did more good than evil. It is hard to believe but many Ideas and Solutions the Third Reich came up with are still policy in several countries like Holland.

State Health Care, Financial Child Support, Animal Rights etcetera, etcetera.
Hitler wanted a loving, self-aware, healthy, decent and intelligent Society free from smudge.

Did the world become better place after Hitler vanished?
I think it has become much, much worse and from my point of view the National Socialists were fighting against the NWO.

Recently I visited the War Museum in Overloon and they have a collection of wartime propaganda including billboards. On one of them were the American, British and French flag depicted as curtains and looking through from behind was a Jew/Zionist. Tht didn't change after WW2.

Hitler did more good than evil? Im sorry, but i think that's comment is kind of bizarre, to say the least. (Actually i think the idea is sick, im afraid.)

Particularly if you read what Mengele did to people (skinning children alive to test pain tolerance as one poster mentioned) and herding millions to their deaths in gas chambers, like cattle. (i dont like the way humans treat cattle, either).

So the ends justify the means, do they? and if you do good in society for some ways, its okay to skin a few kids to get there, if thats what it takes, is it?

You say you abhore violence, and in the next breath you praise NAZIs, who were responsible for hideous violence to many many innocent humans, including women and children. Im afraid i fail to understand you.

I took '___' for the first time when I was 15.
I remember the experience of an eggshell breaking open and looking outside and seeing the world in a completely new set of eyes.

I remember walking down the street, thinking to myself, this is all too perfect. The Cars looked too clean and polished. The front lawns were perfectly mowed, and the houses all looked perfectly aligned in rows. The parking signs, the telephone poles, the whole design of the city....it was surreal, so much so...
that paranoia crept in as I started to see that everything was set up to be this way, in order to make the public believe everything is "normal", and humanity has created society all by itself, on it's own, when in fact, it was all created by design, long long ago, then redesigned in America, in such a way that nobody would notice the "planners".

This is when I started looking into conspiracy theories. Soon afterwards. That led to 20 years of activism to expose the NWO, and secret societies.

But going back even further, When I was a child at 4, I loved dinosaurs. Then by 8, I had seen every single sci-fi and horror movie in existence practically. By 12, I had a ghost friend who stayed with my family and we communicated with it by Ouija Board, and objects would fly across the room, and we would ask him questions. I was already learning about astral projection, and UFO's and bigfoot. So, when does it all really start?
'___' was definitely the trigger point in my consciousness at 15, I would say.

[edit on 8-8-2009 by videoworldwide]

reply to post by rubbertramp


When my grandparents told me what happened at Dancing Rabbit Creek. When I went to school and "learned" that my people had accomplished nothing and were simply an obstacle to progress to be overcome and shoved aside. When I learned on my own what happened at Wounded Knee - both times.

The problem I see is that so many proclaim their eyes to be wide open - that may be so, they their head is so far up their own butts they still can't actually see a damned thing.

[edit on 8-8-2009 by TheWalkingFox]

Originally posted by Jezus
9/11

It really disturbed me to realize people were so bad at science.

People will look back on 9/11 and they won't know whether to laugh or cry...

It is just so obvious...right in our face...

But people are too apathetic...

I am bad at science (and that will never change), but i do know 9/11 was an inside job, it was obvious to me for non-sciency reasons, mainly the type of people who run the country. But would you care to elaborate what you mean about the science bit for people like moi? (im thinking, becuz it fell like a controlled demo on its own footprint quickly, is that what you mean?)

Originally posted by Stop-loss!
What opened my eyes was when i went to iraq and saw with my own eyes just how much money the government is willing to spend on KBR while us troops make barely enough to put food on the table for our families back home.

This is "dead on".

I wish more of the gung ho military types realized this.

If they saw the defense contracts for several corporations they'd puke.

The sheer magnitude of the corruption is staggering.

We have simply been co-opted as the strong arm of the banksters,
we do the world enforcement with 700 bases in 130+ countries.

3 city states of power:

1) City state of London - banksters
2) City state of The Vatican - religion
3) City state of Washington DC - military

Go to google video and watch "Empire of the City" if you can stomach it.

Good Luck to you all !