what event opened your eyes?

Buy a book called War Is a Racket by Brigadier General Smedley Butler.
He was a decorated and highly loved marine back in the 30s....wrote this small book after becoming disgusted with washington and basically said that the marines are nothing but the strong arm of american corporations. if i had the money i would send it to every soldier currently serving. i respect them too much to see them used this way.

Originally posted by rapunzel222

Originally posted by Jezus
9/11

It really disturbed me to realize people were so bad at science.

People will look back on 9/11 and they won't know whether to laugh or cry...

It is just so obvious...right in our face...

But people are too apathetic...

I am bad at science (and that will never change), but i do know 9/11 was an inside job, it was obvious to me for non-sciency reasons, mainly the type of people who run the country. But would you care to elaborate what you mean about the science bit for people like moi? (im thinking, becuz it fell like a controlled demo on its own footprint quickly, is that what you mean?)

The official story is literally filled with physical impossibilities and anomalies...

It contradicts both itself internally and observed conditions.

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For me it was doing crash retrieval in the late 70's. And no I can't prove it!

Chewbit Wing
Namaste!

While it's not a conspiracy-related event or anything like that, I have to say the first time I had my world completely changed was when I learned about Antarctica. I was five, and completely flabbergasted. I had no idea there was a country/land mass "down there."

For me it is still happening all the time. I really don't think I will ever have a grasp of how deep everything goes. Maybe that's a good thing though, for it would probably drive me truly insane to know everything.

The earliest that I can remember fully questioning something was when I was a young child in Sunday School. I remember sitting in class thinking after that day's lesson, and not having understood what in the world I was told. None of it made any sense to me whatsoever and all seemed comical. I also remember seeing my family completely abused and taken advantage of by people who were supposed to be "of the Lord" and "God's servants." My family gave everything they had to only be stabbed in the back by the very people who where supposed to represent Love and Compassion. Plus seeing what Religion of ANY kind does to people, it made me sick to my stomach (and still does to this day). It all about made me an Atheist, because I thought that if I didn't believe in "their God" then I must not believe in a God/Supreme Being at all. I've now learned that that's not true, and that just about everything I was taught was full of lies and hatred. I really don't think that anyone involved, especially my parents, meant to do me harm or to cause me pain, I think that it was just a part of everything involved with the two churches that we went to.

The next thing after that would probably have to be 9/11. I was in 6th grade at the time, and I remember walking into third period and my science teacher telling us that we where going to go to one of the other, much larger, science rooms, and watch that TV because something had happened. Ironically, I had just got glasses for the first time the day before (I guess it fits perfectly with this thread). When we walked into the other room, the TV was already on, so we all sat down and started to watch. I just remember all of these Newscaster-type people talking quickly about a lot of things and places that I would have never been able to understand at age 11. They kept showing the film of a plane hitting the second tower, and footage of both towers. I think that had already started to talk about the Pentagon at that time, and maybe even the fourth plane. Then the first tower collapsed, and I think maybe I had watched the second tower fall before class was over as well. Regardless, I just remember sitting there in complete shock, and I had no concept of what I was watching. Not a single thing of the entire situation seemed right to me. Whether that was my gut feeling kicking in, or just complete ignorance (from my age), I don't know.

Other than that, I'd probably have to say little things here and there that started to add up. Movies like The Matrix, V for Vendetta, Kingdom of Heaven, and Children of Men have all opened my eyes to different things. You could probably add The Dark Knight to the list also, but I don't know how it fits in. I have also always been interested in just about anything, so eventually I stumbled across things like Area 51 and JFK/RFK.

I haven't believed the government about much of anything since 1966 when I found out they lied about JFK. So far, they've validated my disbelief by lying about RFK, MLK, VietNam, Panama, Grenada, Iran-Contra, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, Desert Storm, 9/11...

"The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth."
Aldous Huxley

The g20 08 protests... I read the word anarchist and I wondered what it was, and I did a little research and I agreed right off. I slowly began to realize the governmentwas screwed up right after that.

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Originally posted by rubbertramp
reply to post by Donkey_Dean

 

yup, me and the millions of others.
thanx for sharing.


we can vote in some states now, just so you know your wrong.


[edit on 7-8-2009 by rubbertramp]

Thank you for the information. None should face felonies over marijuana friend.

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no prob, this is why i keep a permanent address in new mexico.


thanx all for contributing to the thread, even those who accused me of collecting information to use against them.
oh, and the one enlightened one who needs no event, and only needs to look around.
there have been many other events that convinced me and changed my mind into the realm of a believer.
watching silver disks fly into the side of a mountain in the arastra wilderness of arizona.
listening to a special forces vietnam vet friend who swears up and down that the whole war was to take control of the golden triangle.
nailing a bull elk at 70 in montana, went underneath, ripped off front wheel, sent rolling into ditch and across field.
pictured my dead aunt, my guarding angle, and felt a hand hold me against the seat. rolled truck at least 5 times and then endo twice, bumper to bumper.
no seatbelt, walked away with shard of glass in my shoulder, broke the window with it.
not a single usable panel or glass on the truck.

My big awakening happened after I realized Paul McCartney had been replaced. Before that, i kind of got how politics & the media were controlled, but I had no idea that the entertainment industry is controlled as well. No I realize the mindf*** is a lot more extensive than I ever thought before. Nothing is real.

Originally posted by rubbertramp
was it something you read, something you witnessed?

It was something I looked/read in forums and limks:


2001/9/11: The way building 7 went down, prooved it all to me !

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Blue skies.

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It sounds like you got what you deserved - you broke the law and paid the price. You were guilty by your own admission so why do you complain that the government did something bad to get you. They were not interested in YOU, they wanted to shut down the network and tried to use you to get at it. There is nothing wrong with that.

Hopefully you learned your lesson and have been a productive member of society since then. I'm not judging that what you did was wrong, only that it was illegal and the people whose job it was to catch you and punish you did their job. That is a far cry from a conspiracy against you, an abuse of power, or anything else. If you did not want to get beaten by a gang you should not have dealt drugs in the first place.