I "know" nothing. And neither do you.

watcher i have to argee to disagree here. first if tptb would open up the several hundreds years of extensive research that they have done with the tax payer money we might have half a clue, but yes as it stands now the tptb change the game so very often, that we dont know what end we are coming from. so yes if you never learn the truth and the truth is turned upside down every generation, as to keep the truth hidden and the few that get close end up hanging themselves or mysteriously end up with a round in the grape. then yes i totally agree that we will forever know nothing

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by badmedia

 

Never stated it wasn't. Just arguing that understanding does not cancel out my statement.

Yes it does cancel it out. Understanding is to know. But as it is understanding I'm not sure the best way to express it.

I mean there are levels and such to this, and it's all based on perspective. If you want to take a perspective where the understanding doesn't fit, I think that will always be available, and then there is also the place where the understandings do fit.

It's like you will find what you seek. As technically nothing exists, and yet at the same time everything exists. Reality is simply perception, and perception is based on understanding.

In fact, my entire reality changed over night after gaining the understandings I have today. I didn't "see" things different with my own eyes, but the way in which I seen things and my actual perception, it did change a ton with understanding gained.

When I realized that all is connected and so forth, my perception changed and only based on understanding. When I realized time was an illusion, my perception changed and only based on understanding.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


I still miss your point.

You say we know nothing, when indeed we know a decent bit.

Explain to me how we know nothing?

If we knew nothing, we would be no different than the "people" from thousands of years ago.

We do know... to say that we dont know is to doubt what you know... I dont doubt what I know. I just need to convince myself I'm right.... catch my drift???

S & F

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Ok let me give you an example of what we dont know. We surmise but we dont know. Think of it, we used to think that Time was constant now when Einstein came about he "proved" all that wrong with his theory of relativity. (special).

The point is, we dont know nothing, we are constantly updating what we think we know.

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are you absolutely sure you know nothing?

you know for sure you know nothing for sure?

:-)

please be a sport and have a sense of humor about this

I know that I know that I don't know that I know.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

 

are you absolutely sure you know nothing?

you know for sure you know nothing for sure?

:-)

please be a sport and have a sense of humor about this

I get it...now that is funny..

Good job

The last few posts of this thread have questions and comments that I clear up in my thread that I made as a response to this post, I got the point he was trying to convey, only I think I might have a better explanation as well as a more rounded understanding. Those of you who took something from this thread should go take a look at my response to it, my response is more than a reply so I responded through my own thread, An explanation of what we know, while we know nothing.

If you looked at the title of this thread and thought, maybe I should read what this guy is saying, you should definitely read what I have to say.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by inspiringyouth]

There is no knowlege. And I know that for a fact!!!


Flippancy aside.....
Kudos to the OP for a thought-provoking thread

I think that whether we know we know, or know we don't, is based purely on perception.

So therefore knowledge is fluid.


P.s. S&F for a refreshingly cerebral thread

[edit on 29-7-2009 by mckyle]

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I gave you a star for allowing me to believe that I might actually know something

it's exactly what I needed to get on with the rest of my day - thank you

(you probably think I'm kidding - sadly, no, I'm not)

:-)

I know you know
that things are funny,
just like the power of money.
but when we have
the power to know,
the need for knowledge
will never be known.

Knowing that you know nothing is actually still knowing.

And thus is the paradox of the Universe.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by muzzleflash]

I would argue that we do not know that we dont know nothing. Its a perfect balance between yes that table is there!!! I CAN SEE IT! and...my eyes could be being tricked and Im actually in the matrix.

So we dont KNOW that we dont know nothing

I wonder: is it better to know you know nothing, than to think you know something? or is ignorance really bliss?

:/

[edit on 29-7-2009 by mckyle]

I can get on board with the concept.

One problem, If you know nothing, how do you know you are not totally wrong?

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
He who thinks he knows knows not but he who knows that he knows not, knows.

Confucius

Allow me a second's immaturity: Confucius pwns the Persian.

Yes, I have to agree. Everything is just what we think. There is no way to prove anything, because we can't prove the existence of anything. How do I know that any of you are real, if I can even say I know what "real" is?

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Its the original argument thats absurd. If what your saying is true then how do you know what your saying is correct? If you then tell it to someone else then they can never know this fact either.

Socrates was a great thinker but this argument is just mental masterbation.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by VitalOverdose]

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reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

I "know" nothing. And neither do you.

I know that if I want to be told what I know and what I don't know, all I have to do is to call the US Government.

How much do they pay these days?

I know that it must be more than most of us