I "know" nothing. And neither do you.

reply to post by OmegaPoint


so what made him right then?

He who asks, has question, meaning he did not know because he was asking

sounds like the human race

why all the questions? because we do not know

the reason for this is the lack of understanding of the question being asked.

what do you ask? or are you happy ?

one is not the same as the other my friend

dont ask? you get all answers, ask? you will keep asking until the end of time. "your own" ; )


but back on topic.. we do in fact know things.. we know what it is to be human in our messed up relaity and why?

well your posting on ATS are you not? we KNOW this much or it would not be possible.

The only thing in life that is complex is being human... the rest seems fine to me..

chow bella

"Knowing dharmas is not knowing
Not knowing is knowing the essential...

The highest principle cannot be explained:
It is neither free nor bound
Lively and attuned to everything
It is always right before you."

~~~Master Sheng-yen

I know things, but I also know there is way more that I don't know.

IMO, the true measure of knowledge is not based on what you "know", but rather the questions you ask. As the questions you ask are not only based on existing knowledge, but the foresight to see beyond it.

As such, the more "I know", the more I don't know.

I think of it as a circle. It starts out small, and the amount of unknown surrounding it is also small. As it grows, the amount of unknown surrounding it also grows.

Real knowledge is simply understandings, and understandings can be expressed in many ways.

[edit on 7/29/2009 by badmedia]

Okay, so I guess I'm the one to interrupt the mellow flow of the thread.
I know nothing AND much much more!
You start knowing when you realize that you know nothing.
To know nothing may be the ultimate knowing, but it is definitely not the only knowing.
I treat the knowledge of nothing as being the crucial step-stone to the path of a man of knowledge. Not the last floor, the first! But all the other floors cannot exist without the first floor.

If you think it ends for everyone on the knowledge of nothing you are being extremely naive.

Socrates was the guy that almost got there.
Which is pretty good actually, but far from ideal.





Actually, I was thinking here and I came to the conclusion that the first and the last floors are the knowledge of nothing. But although these two knowledge are related to the same object they are very distinct. The first knowledge of nothing is just the realization of its existence. The last knowledge of nothing is the flawless application of it.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Geladinhu]

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


Thank you. For some reason you reminded me of a quote I liked. "It's only when you lose everything are you free to do anything." Can't remember where I heard it though.

I know something, but not everything.

That is what makes me smarter than a lot of the other idiots who can not even make a budget...

Lets see...70,000 yearly income, 250,000 house - DOH!

By knowing nothing, you truly do not know if you know something.

As many people have said, nothing is something.

reply to post by Geladinhu


I'm sorry and please don't take this as an insult to you *just speaking my mind not seeking to attack you*. But it sounds like delusion speaking here. Everyone who accepts something as unadulterated fact claims they knew nothing before then....... Then proceed to stop even the semblence of questioning.

reply to post by badmedia


How can you be sure you "know" what you "know"? If you catch my meaning...

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


I'm totally delusional.
Watch out or I'll make you delusional too.


There are no such things as unadulterated facts. I would even go a little further to say that there are no facts at all, only perspectives. I'm a philosopher, I will die with a question.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by badmedia

 

How can you be sure you "know" what you "know"? If you catch my meaning...

Is this really another thread of semantics?

Let me tell you why.

1+1 = 2.

I KNOW that to be true.

If I push on something, it will exert an opposite force.

If you are claiming that we know nothing in regards to everything, well duh! We certainly know something though, just not everything...as everything might as well be infinite.

I "know" nothing. And neither do you.

So your saying you know you know nothing..??

I know you didnt think that title through very well

If we can know nothing then why are you telling us this? It would seem a pointless excercise would it not?

Originally posted by Geladinhu
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

 

I'm totally delusional.

Mmm, delusional would be a good thing ...

I think the word we're all looking for here is "overlusional" (tm pending)

Edit: Extralusional and Superlusional are also tmed ... gigalusional is free.

[edit on 29 Jul 2009 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by VitalOverdose


If he knows nothing, how does he know that we also know nothing?

reply to post by schrodingers dog


And what would be the difference between delusional and overlusional?
It seems to me like they are the two extremities of the same stick.
And we can do a bunch of stuff with sticks!

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist

If I push on something, it will exert an opposite force.

Now try that with a brick wall. Every so called rule has a point in which it does not apply.

As for the rest. The only reason 1+1=2 is because we says it does. Can you truly prove that it does without accepting what society tells you it means? No.

reply to post by Geladinhu


And you are missing the point....

reply to post by VitalOverdose


Read the post all the way through. Then comment.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by badmedia

 

How can you be sure you "know" what you "know"? If you catch my meaning...

Understanding. I tend to look at things as equations, and what I don't know are the infinite possibilities that can be used for the variables of that equation.

Which of the following statements are true and which are false?

1+1=2
4+4=9
4+10 = 1
8X9 = 104
8X9 = 72

How did you know which of these were true, and which were false? Based only on understanding.

Check out Proverbs

Proverbs 9

6Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

...

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

[edit on 7/29/2009 by badmedia]

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Am I? I didn't even realize there was a point. I'm sorry, could you help me out in getting the point? What is it?

reply to post by badmedia


You did not answer my question. How do you "know" that you "know"?