You have every right in the world to whoop ya kid's..PLZ start I am sick of all the punk's

reply to post by Mindmelding


You sir/madam are right on the money. I can count the number of times I was spanked on one hand. I had timeouts and groundings and other things as well when the situation warranted but was only spanked when I had done something particularly stupid. Let's just say I didn't repeat the particularly stupid actions again. I never considered my parents my friends when growing up, my parents were my parents. Now that i'm older I consider my parents my friends as well as my parents. Now that I can see a lot better where they were coming from.

Now should you spank all children all the time? Not at all, it should be on a case by case basis. You do something incredibly stupid or dangerous, you get spanked.

Shockingly enough people who were spanked can turn out to be perfectly well adjusted members of society. It's the children who were abused that turn out differently.

I am utterly gobsmacked

So many people here think that a 'whooping' is the answer!

I married a child that was 'whooped' often.He thinks teachers should be given the right to cane children again.I endured 10 hours of surgery on my eye socket thanks to his childhood.He's now depressed and going through councilling thanks to that childhood.He got violent with our 13 yrold daughter recently on a weekend visit and i had to involve the police.

Don't tell me it doesn't have an effect!I have many friends and their siblings that have been affected,we've discussed it often.......
....and yet?...I got 'whooped too'.Why then have i chosen not to 'whoop' my own children?
I have a 1 yr,5yr,11yr and 13yr old.The eldest 3 are female.The youngest girl is Autistic.
'Whooping' is just not an option for us.
My 1 yr old kept trying to get at the stove.I put a stairgate on the kitchen door while the stove was in use.End of problem.I'll explain it when he's old enough to understand and i'll keep re-inforcing HOT! in the meantime,everytime he touches a radiator or something else that's warm.

It's a different mind set you see?Some of us feel a child can be reasoned with if they're given a good ampunt of love and support parralell with that.
A person is a product of their life,ALL stages of it,all experiences.
I'd rather not start my kids off with a heavy dose of guilt and confusion.I'm here to nurture and so far so good.....i have some really lovely people that i birthed under my wing right now and i'm very proud of the people they are becoming

i have the fortune of installing the 1 2 3 approach

if my 10 year old son is naughty, i say 1
if he continues i say 2

then he realises that 3 is the last number in that sequence and he doesn't want to know what happens next.

i have made it to three and the punishment is a severe grounding, but he also thinks i have the option to 'whoop' him.
which i don't, but he knows that i got 'whooped' and that the option is there
so three becomes the 'whooping' that never comes.
it has a quite an effect.

he is a good kid!!

Originally posted by Amaterasu
When I become unhappy with her, I threaten her with tickles.

You may not know this, but tickling can be considered abusive.

I am not aware of any state that has laws against spanking or whipping, although there may be some, but almost all states, if not all states, have child abuse reporting laws that make it an offense punishable by fines and imprisonment for not reporting suspected child abuse.

If you whip your child and leave marks, you can expect that any professional, such as a teacher or counselor who sees them will report the incident as possible child abuse, just to cover their behinds.

That will definitely result in an investigation, which, I assure you, no one wants go endure.

I once read an article by a person known for her ultra-conservative opinions in which she suggested that if ever a Social Worker knocks on your door regarding a child abuse investigation, or as is very common, if your kids are interviewed by a Social Worker at school relative to a child abuse report, pack up everything you can immediately and leave the state for good, regardless of guilt or innocence.

I might not go that far, but there is a good logic to that advice. A Child Protective Agency investigation even from a frivolous report can consume your life for a year or more.

Having worked in CPS for a number of years, I can tell you from experience that once some kids in state's custody figure out that no matter what they do, the only thing they will get is "time-out," they become uncontrollable. Once they figure out that their guardian-ad-litem will drag the department into court over almost any complaint, then they become arrogant and uncontrollable.

As for using corporal punishment, even tickling, on one's own kids, I would say, that in some cases it works better than anything. However, a parent who chooses to do so must be extremely careful in the application of such as the consequences can be devastating.

reply to post by TheLily


You can't chalk all that up to being spanked. Sounds more like he was abused and not just physically, but mentally or else he probably wouldn't suffer from such problems today. I think the problem goes far beyond just being spanked.

We're not (at least I am not) endorsing extreme punishment - not to the point of being physically or emotionally scarred. We're talking about punishment here, not abuse.

I hope that things improve for you and your family. I hope your husband can deal with and find help for his problems. He'll no doubt have to recover from his past before he can reconcile his present.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by tyranny22]

This has got to be the most ignorant posting I've ever read on ATS.

Perhaps the OP believes that the parents/caretakers in these following examples were within their right to mete out "whoopings" to put children in the place.

1) A seven year old girl, bruised, starving, half naked, possibly strangled, covered in feces, blood and bruises…was found wondering a gravel road in Lusby, about 50 miles southeast of Washington, D.C.

Even though this is truly a gruesome discovery, it was just the tip of the ice berg compared to what Investigators where going to find in Renee Bowmans’ basement freezer. Investigators found two iced encased bodies, of what appeared to be two female children.

Renee Bowman, 43, told police “that the bodies where those of two of her two other adoptive children. She had placed them in the freezer in February.”

All three children where adopted. The three girls were foster children in Bowman’s care, before she adopted them.

2) 20-year-old JonPaul Harms of Jacksonville, Florida was arrested for the beating death of 5-week-old Amari Copeland. He admitted to police that he fractured the baby’s skull because “The infant would not stop crying.”

3) The stepfather of a 2-year-old girl lost control and beat her to death because she wouldn't say "please" and "yes sir," an attorney for the girl's mother said Wednesday.

4) Deputies arrested Eder Acosta, 20, in connection with the child’s death. Police said Acosta is the mother’s boyfriend and he was supposed to be babysitting.

Investigators have not released the details of what they believe he did to the boy – only to say the child died from internal injuries.

Forsyth County sheriff’s deputies said Acosta was supposed to be babysitting his girlfriend’s three children inside a home on Valley Lane near Cumming – only he had to rush the 6-year-old to the hospital in cardiac arrest.

5) Just as his trial was to begin in King County Superior Court yesterday, Michael Edward Wythe, 18, submitted a statement acknowledging he caused the massive head injury of his 51-day-old son, Ryan, because he was frustrated by the baby's crying.

6) A mother suspected of killing her four children, whose decomposing bodies were found in her home, told police they were possessed by demons, according to court records.

7) A teenager killed an 11-month-old baby because he resented the way she got in the way of his relationship with her mother.

Mitchell Cooper, 17, swung Ruby Spink against a wall in a jealous rage, then calmly called paramedics and claimed she had choked on a piece of cake.

8) A 2-year-old girl died after being beaten with a video game controller by her mother's boyfriend, police said Tuesday. Darisabel Baez's mother overheard the beating Sunday but did nothing until she realized the girl was unconscious, police said.

9) After doing several lines of heroin with Castillo on the night of June 12, he and Castillo awoke around 11 a.m. the next day. Castillo went to check on Jada and he knew she was angry with Jada for soiling her pants because he could hear her yelling. Castillo began spanking Jada and pulling her hair and when Jada didn’t cry, she became even more angrier and hit her harder. Castillo slapped Jada causing the child to fall and hit her head on a table causing a small cut. Castillo then made Jada stand in the corner and left the room. She returned as soon as Jada began acting up again and began punching her in the head. Unable to stop the bitch, Tkachik went to another room to watch television.

10) “The 14-month old girl was beaten with a belt for a period of 1 to 2 hours for disciplinary issues specifically that being not eating her food and failure to respect the suspect. So as a result of his feeling that he was disrespected, he has beaten the child for that duration,” said IMPD Spokesman Paul Thompson.

Yeah, a "whooping" will show those kids who's boss. You're unbelievable OP.

reply to post by 6EQUJ5


What you are describing are not "whoopings."

Your examples are cases of criminal neglect, aggravated assault/battery and murder.

Your examples do nothing to illuminate the debate. They only muddy the waters, as it were.

reply to post by 2theC


I used that on my eldest 2!Worked fantastically!

Nowadays i remove mobile phone,computer,DVD and ground them.It works a treat if they're being bulshy,but i rarely have to do it as we talk it through more often than not.They grow up alot as they head into their teens,you can talk things through.It's a double-edged sword though.....they are SO stroppy!

Originally posted by 6EQUJ5
This has got to be the most ignorant posting I've ever read on ATS.

Perhaps the OP believes that the parents/caretakers in these following examples were within their right to mete out "whoopings" to put children in the place.

1) A seven year old girl, bruised, starving, half naked, possibly strangled, covered in feces, blood and bruises…was found wondering a gravel road in Lusby, about 50 miles southeast of Washington, D.C.

Even though this is truly a gruesome discovery, it was just the tip of the ice berg compared to what Investigators where going to find in Renee Bowmans’ basement freezer. Investigators found two iced encased bodies, of what appeared to be two female children.

Renee Bowman, 43, told police “that the bodies where those of two of her two other adoptive children. She had placed them in the freezer in February.”

All three children where adopted. The three girls were foster children in Bowman’s care, before she adopted them.

2) 20-year-old JonPaul Harms of Jacksonville, Florida was arrested for the beating death of 5-week-old Amari Copeland. He admitted to police that he fractured the baby’s skull because “The infant would not stop crying.”

3) The stepfather of a 2-year-old girl lost control and beat her to death because she wouldn't say "please" and "yes sir," an attorney for the girl's mother said Wednesday.

4) Deputies arrested Eder Acosta, 20, in connection with the child’s death. Police said Acosta is the mother’s boyfriend and he was supposed to be babysitting.

Investigators have not released the details of what they believe he did to the boy – only to say the child died from internal injuries.

Forsyth County sheriff’s deputies said Acosta was supposed to be babysitting his girlfriend’s three children inside a home on Valley Lane near Cumming – only he had to rush the 6-year-old to the hospital in cardiac arrest.

5) Just as his trial was to begin in King County Superior Court yesterday, Michael Edward Wythe, 18, submitted a statement acknowledging he caused the massive head injury of his 51-day-old son, Ryan, because he was frustrated by the baby's crying.

6) A mother suspected of killing her four children, whose decomposing bodies were found in her home, told police they were possessed by demons, according to court records.

7) A teenager killed an 11-month-old baby because he resented the way she got in the way of his relationship with her mother.

Mitchell Cooper, 17, swung Ruby Spink against a wall in a jealous rage, then calmly called paramedics and claimed she had choked on a piece of cake.

8) A 2-year-old girl died after being beaten with a video game controller by her mother's boyfriend, police said Tuesday. Darisabel Baez's mother overheard the beating Sunday but did nothing until she realized the girl was unconscious, police said.

9) After doing several lines of heroin with Castillo on the night of June 12, he and Castillo awoke around 11 a.m. the next day. Castillo went to check on Jada and he knew she was angry with Jada for soiling her pants because he could hear her yelling. Castillo began spanking Jada and pulling her hair and when Jada didn’t cry, she became even more angrier and hit her harder. Castillo slapped Jada causing the child to fall and hit her head on a table causing a small cut. Castillo then made Jada stand in the corner and left the room. She returned as soon as Jada began acting up again and began punching her in the head. Unable to stop the bitch, Tkachik went to another room to watch television.

10) “The 14-month old girl was beaten with a belt for a period of 1 to 2 hours for disciplinary issues specifically that being not eating her food and failure to respect the suspect. So as a result of his feeling that he was disrespected, he has beaten the child for that duration,” said IMPD Spokesman Paul Thompson.

Yeah, a "whooping" will show those kids who's boss. You're unbelievable OP.

Read all those you posted.
Beaten with a belt for 2 hour's...
ect...ect...
They did not get a whooping.
Those poor kid's was beat to death and it is sad.

So don't say me or average American joe is the fault of those poor people's misfortune.

A whooping is not a beat down good sir and your are Ignorant to imply otherwise.

Ive had my butt beat by people not my parent's...
It's called a criminal act.

A whooping is in ever American's legal right to do to there kid as a disciplinary matter.
ATS log deny Ignorance.
Need's to be stamped on half of these post's...
because you show people beat with game controller's beat with a baseball bat..beat with a belt for 2 hour's.

then you say a whooping caused that.
Heck no it didn't those parent's was disturbed.
They would have killed those kid's no matter what.
and you know it good as i do.
It's called they was BEAT to death.
Not whooped to death.....Big difference.
Still sad it happens alot.

Son you stole my car ..i am gonna whoop ya and hope ya get the drift.
OR YOUR VERSION OF ALL whooper parent's.
Son i am going to beat you with a belt or video game controller for 2 hour's till you die ..i hope you learn your lesson...

dang man read what you right before you throwing total bull crap at me like that.
A Whooping and a BEATING are two Totality different thing's.

It's like calling a tomatoes a orange and arguing with me over it.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by TheAmused]

reply to post by TheLily


yes, it does work a treat
and i find i rarely even get to 1
i just say i might start counting, and then we talk...

highly recommended!!!!!!

I wouldn't even hit a dog. Why would I hit a child? Beatings are used by those who are too lazy or stupid to properly educate a child. A kid causes trouble to get attention - as soon as you stop rewarding them with that attention, you'll see a big difference.

Time outs and actually talking to a child work quite well. Make the time.

reply to post by tyranny22


Oh you get me wrong!
He's my EX.Very very very EX!

He has been left emotionally scarred by his childhood.He's had one failed relationship after another.
I don't think you can rule out his 'whoopings' in this,they must've had an effect.

If a parent can exercise restraint and spank a child with pure love in their hearts,just to teach that child that a short,sharp shock equals a lesson....a spank is teaching you what to avoid.....then maybe i can entertain the idea until i've formed a strong conclusion,i don't know?To me it's wrong you see.
I just don't think you can protect enough children form the parents who can't exercise restraint.Kids would fall through a loophole,they would be hurt,
None of us want to see that.That's why this arena is so volatile.
How do you protect all participants in life?

I just think there are other ways.

reply to post by TheAmused


Did you even graduate from high school?

reply to post by 2theC


you said
i have made it to three and the punishment is a severe grounding, but he also thinks i have the option to 'whoop' him. which i don't,

You allway's have a option to your the father or mother are you not?
Care to explain?
But you say You DON'T HAVE the option..
So are you saying your spouse forbids it?
or what?
You totally warped my mind there.

How about arguing whether or not to hit your children, people stop blindly reproducing period. What is the point of having so many children? The world is overpopulated as it is.

Originally posted by 6EQUJ5
reply to post by TheAmused

 

Did you even graduate from high school?

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi once said.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

love the thread flamer's with No way of adding to the subject other than flame.
Show's i hit a nerve Thank's.

reply to post by TheAmused


You're right, you win. Carry on with abusing your children.

reply to post by TheAmused

I'm a single dad with one teenage daughter. It's been hell now for about 4 or 5 years, as she reached the point in life where I became a dumb, unknowing old dad .. apparently out of touch with reality... as she saw things.

I stopped smacking her by the time she was 10 years old because I felt she was now too big for smacking. So I tried every other avenue as proposed by Parenting Specialists. In the end I discovered that these specialists really have no idea what to do that will work with such strong-minded and self-centred kids.

From a young age children need security, and that security comes to them from one source.. YOU the parent, and you create the security by instilling boundaries for your children's behaviours. When they stray outside the boundary you put in place there MUST BE Consequences, or they will learn nothing of importance.

Consequences like the loss of a game console, computer, TV or other objects simply does not work. It is a useless approach because the kids forget it quickly in their instant-gratification reality.

Not only are parents disempowered in raising their children, they have had no rights to say what is suitable for them to watch on TV, listen to on the radio, see in magazines, on the internet, etc. And here we reach the main problem in generations over the past 20 or more years.

I know many parents will disagree with this, as they may set limits at home... but you do not know what your kids see or do when not at home. And I can bet you that they will be doing the same thing most of the kids in their culture are doing.

Here in Australia, we lost the right to punish our children as we see fit about 20 years ago when the bleeding hearts rose to power... and that my friends was the exact time things started to go astray here. Now a couple of quickly begotten generations later and there is NO RESPECT throughout the vast majority in my country.

Young parents who were raised without real consequences are simply allowing their kids to do whatever they want as long as it isn't upsetting the parent. So many kids are out late at night, doing what they want to do when they do not have the maturity to handle so much freedom.

Moreso, they believe the U.S. street mentality as shown in almost every music video, in most movies and TV shows aimed at their age groups.. they believe that this mentality is the right one for them.. where all girls are for satisfying guys, and guys are to be "soldiers". What we see here is feral behaviours, just as you see in other countries where this imported unreal-mentality is prevalent.

An example I found a couple of years back was with the two little darling twins of Hollywood who propose it is good for 10 year olds to dress like a 21 year old, that it's good to sneak out and go with boys at night and to LIE to your parents in order to get what you want when you want it... and these two girls have pushed this mentality now for quite a long time

Today's world is a modern Soddom and Gamorah (sp), and the vast majority of kids are racing into this cultural mentality without the ability to percveive the negatives.. as they are only focusing on what they believe are positives for them like... freedom to come and go whenever they want, freedom to live like a pig in their bedroom while you the parent have no rights to ask for cleanliness, freedom to speak to you how they want to, freedom to abuse you at will, when they feel that they are not getting what they wanted from you in that moment,etc.

There are no quick answers. All parents need to raise their sons and daughter in the exact same manner instead of separating what is suitable for one sex and not the other. If this was done then the communications barrier between the sexes will fall and kids will see others as equals.

I try to not let my daughter have all the freedoms she sees her friends with.. I do not let her walk the streets at night, I expect her boyfriend to come here and pick her up instead of meeting her at the mall, I expect her to use her mobile phone for the reasons I gave it to her.. to stay in touch with me when needed, I expect her to speak to me without yelling or being abusive and bitchy, and I expect total honesty from her although I know I get far less than that... fortunately for me I get a feeling of confusion when she is dishonest with me which lets me know she is lying.

Quote, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." This does not tell us to not smack our kids and to spoil them instead.. what it really says is this: If you do not provide consequences to actions you will spoil that person.. meaning spoil as in ruined!!

The old ways worked for along time. It is what instilled respect into children for their elders and all others. Now without that in our society we can see the results, and it will reach anarchy soon enough folks.

No respect for others means their is no respect for the self, and this can only be enforced from an early age, as it is far too late once they are teenagers to do anything with them other than to pick them up when they fall into the darkness and hope they try to stand straight and make good choices.

I can count the times that I was spanked as a child on one hand. HOWEVER, my parents had very firm boundaries and we knew them. There was no screaming and throwing a fit in the store or a restaurant, etc. You were held responsible for your behavior in a way that I simply do not see parents doing now.

While I don't believe children MUST be spanked, there's nothing wrong with it if used within reason and more importantly, if consistant boundaries are kept.

The only thing that ever hurt me was my pride when punished in that manner. I knew that I had Gone Too Far.

Originally posted by 6EQUJ5
reply to post by TheAmused

 

You're right, you win. Carry on with abusing your children.

And don't you forget it!!
Btw there is a 2 sentence policy here on ats.F.Y.I

It's not abuse man.
Whooping your child is not abuse.
I have every law in ever state in the united state ...saying it's my legal right as a parent to do as i deem Fit.


Do you know what law's are?
Or should i School you on that also?

So stop trolling on ats man....
You seem more like a GLP person.

one liner's got to love em.