The Rise of the Birther Movement and It's Aims.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

They said that they have his birth certificate in the vault.
They have not verified that he's an American born citizen.
I happen to think he was born in Hawaii, but they have not said that.

Read the first line of the story mate. The one I put in bold and italics for you.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by grover
So, you have to produce proof...to the officials in charge of such things...

Yes ... I get that. I'm asking you ... WHO are the officials 'in charge of such things' for verifying that the POTUS is indeed eligible? Who are they? What were they shown?

www.fec.gov...

As I understand it they oversee the process but each state has its own requirements as well.

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reply to post by deadbang


If one is questioning his policies then a debate can take place. However that is not what I see much of the time. I see people that insult, degrade, critique him on how he throws a ball, the clothes he wears and this utterly ridiculous notion that he was not born where he was.

Originally posted by grover
www.fec.gov...

We are starting to get somewhere. WHO on this chart did Obama prove his citizenship to and what did he use to prove it? Has the FEC ever stated it?

reply to post by FlyersFan

I have no idea but if any candidate is deemed unqualified by birth they cannot run. Even though Republicans like Arnold...he cannot run even if they want him to.

The same is true if they are a felon or dishonorably discharged.

I assume these people.

Commissioners

The six Commissioners, no more than three of whom may represent the same political party, are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The Commissioners serve full time and are responsible for administering and enforcing the Federal Election Campaign Act. They generally meet twice a week, once in closed session to discuss matters that, by law, must remain confidential, and once in a meeting open to the public. At these meetings, they formulate policy and vote on significant legal and administrative matters.

www.fec.gov...

Commissioner Steven T. Walther
Chairman
Commissioner Matthew S. Petersen
Vice Chairman
Commissioner Cynthia L. Bauerly
Commissioner Caroline C. Hunter
Commissioner Donald F. McGahn
Commissioner Ellen L. Weintraub




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Originally posted by Witness2008
this utterly ridiculous notion that he was not born where he was.

that statement is kinda off ....

Originally posted by Witness2008
I did not play the race card.

You most certainly did.

birthers are racist.

thar she blows! RACE CARD.

Would you care to show me the evidence that the birth certificate I linked was proven a forgery?

Buddy .. the proof is all over this freak'n site.
And Jay McKinnon ADMITTED IT.
It's the same fake COB that Daily Kos put up ..
... and then took down as soon as their forger came out of the shadows.

reply to post by FlyersFan

See above as to who...and note the commissioners are specifically divided equally by party by law.

it is sad that on a conspiracy site such as ats we can not move beyond simple bickering over a topic and discuss it from a different perspective.

a big fat sarcastic thanks to those who chose to derail this thread with the typical bickering over obama's legitimacy rather than having a conversation of a different type.

there are plenty of threads available to argue if obama is in fact legitimate and sadly you had to flock to this thread to do it....AGAIN.

reply to post by Witness2008

I can see your point on the more mundane things like throwing a ball or the jeans he wore etc...nonsense, I agree

However I refer to the tax protests for instance, folks have been protesting taxing authorities since the country was founded...in fact it's a major reason the U.S. was founded...but this time, with this president and his supporters...instead of being patriots for questioning government and it's intentions...they became teabaggers and racists.

I'm not sure I entirely understand this phenomenon, after all he is just a man like you and I, not a demigod.

It will be interesting to see if in 3-4 yrs the liberal agenda is still so quick to call dissenting voices racists, bigots etc...for simply questioning a MAN.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Just exactly what is a "race card"? I suspect it is this wonderful little politically correct term that racist hide behind when anyone is being honest about what they see and feel.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Just exactly what is a "race card"?

Don't play stupid.

I suspect it is this wonderful little politically correct term that racist hide behind when anyone is being honest about what they see and feel.

And he plays the race card again.
Youi've done that alot on these boards.
People call you out on it all the time.
And yet you continue ...

Originally posted by Animal
a big fat sarcastic thanks to those who chose to derail this thread

A big fat sarcastic thanks to you, the OP, who decided to start a thread under the FALSE premise of discussing the 'birther movenment and it's aims' but then proceeded to discount the very reason .. the very aim ... of those who call into question Obama's birth.

Obviously you really don't want to know why those who question his birth do so. You don't want to hear the answer. If you really did want an answer you wouldn't have started out the thread with this statement that rejects the real reason people question his credentials -

Originally posted by Animal
It is a discussion that supposes Obama is legitimate and questions the motive for this movement in this context.

You just want a 'bash the questioners' eco-chamber thread.

Whatever. Bask together.
Enjoy those who make FALSE racist accusations.

Originally posted by Witness2008
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Just exactly what is a "race card"? I suspect it is this wonderful little politically correct term that racist hide behind when anyone is being honest about what they see and feel.

Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter. It is a metaphorical reference to card games in which a trump card may be used to gain an advantage.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Witness2008

Race card is the same as saying trump card..."A key resource to be used at an opportune moment" in this case, with our (U.S.) history it is frequently used to silence dissent among whites who disagree with minorities on a number of issues not always relating to race....

definition from here....www.thefreedictionary.com...

reply to post by deadbang


I have issues with many of Obama's policies. But given that I see few alternative suggestions or even an idea as to how to handle the mess this country is in.

Everyone screeches about taxes but no one suggests a better system. Our little society depends on everyone throwing into the pot but some want all the wonderful federal programs and that bit of socialism in the form of medicare, social security, the FAA, standing armies, roads, bridges and safety just handed over to them with no cost.

If one can not suggest better alternatives while receiving the benefits of this country they really should just shut their traps.

reply to post by Doom and Gloom


Thanks for the definition. I call it as I see it.

It is not an issue of race for me. It is a matter of actual evidence. I care not what the color of skin the President has, but if we do not follow our own laws and guidelines we will be lost.

The birther movement, and conspiracy theories in general, are little more than the fuel that drives the internet and the globally linked, instant access society, in which we live.

This particular movement is beginning to bore me and bother me at the same time. A few months ago it looked like it was starting to fade away but then it pops back up with the recent media exposure its been getting. Now what bothers me, is that it is getting the attention it is from certain elected individuals who are purely getting involved to "make the news". It is designed to be a distraction and nothing more. Any opportunity to make life difficult for whoever is in power at the time.

Now as a liberal, I am proud to say that I can pull my head out of the sand every once in awhile to look around and try to put things in perspective. Think back to 2001. Bush stole the election, he deserted from National Guard, he was behind the swift boat adds.....

Standard politics, only from a different view. I was actually waiting for Obama to wheel out a huge cardboard copy of his BC (like those big checks they give lottery winners) at the end of his press conference, but he looked tired and just wanted to go to bed.

And I do believe he is a citizen and I do believe Bush stole the election. But this is now and that was then.

Wow, you mean some Americans still have some sense left? I'm impressed and slightly less concerned for your country's future.

Up here in Canada and family that I have over in the EU see programs conclusively debunking this thing on American news networks daily. It's gotten very old, bordering on pathetic that some people just won't accept it and move on. Please, for the sake of the rest of the world's collective marbles, get with reality!

The birth certificate has been shown, the certificate of live birth, the announcement in the Hawaii newspaper, these people still getting their panties in a bunch over it look plain silly from outside America's borders. They're equated with moon hoax believers, flat Earthers and those who believe the planet is 6000 year old.

Maybe they don't see it that way but that's how they're viewed.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus


The vast majority of Americans feel the same way as you and the rest of the world. Given the meaty exercises over here with free speech we have to see the racist, frightened, and ridiculous folks we call fellow countrymen. With that said however there are few in this country that would not die for her. We've made it work pretty good over here.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus


You mean they actually made it to the moon? That the earth isn't flat? Bishop Usher was wrong? The earth is older than 6,000?

Really?



Every time I see the word birther my eyes want to see the word blither.

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