Obamagate Begins

Where were you brainwashed Ron Paulians during the last 8 years?, Oh I guess invading Iraq was okay. As Bush and his crones sucked the oil dry right in front of your faces but that was okay. The Patriot Act. Nah thats okay too, it going to "protect" us in the long run. Freedoms being takin away in the name of terrorism. Where were you Libertarians? Constitutional defenders? Now a man comes along a promises something America hasent had in a long time. Change. It may not be going the way you like but the man has a great outlook on the future of our country and your not giving him a chance. You people dont want to blame Bush. Most of you voted for him. What so aweful has Obama done to make you want to start a civil war?

Look Obama, for being in over half a year, is still cleaning up GW's mess. The economy was already falling short before Obama ever had any kind of power.

There's something fishy about you Ron Paulians , some underlying hatred that none of you want to admit. I cant help but to think its a race issue. The man was born in Hawaii move the hell on. What happened when ATS was all about anti- Faux News and legitimate media. When Hannity was the epitome of mis-information? Where did all those people go?

[edit on 22-7-2009 by TheWake]

Should we not be more worried about allegation of torture under the Bush/Cheney administration?

It looks like the Republicans are succeeding in diverting attention away from themselves.

And some of you are just eating it up.

We'll find out after he's out of office that he was not a legitimate canidate because he was not a natural citizen and then people will fuss about it.

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by js331975

 

this is old news. we've seen it and discussed it. what's your point in bringing it up now?

Because this this topic is discussed here in this thread.

reply to post by js331975


have you been paying attention to a single thing that has happened since the election? there's more to this presidency than eligibility and blaming bush. obama has done a lot since he took office. what do you think about his actions? which ones do you personally support, specifically?

reply to post by Zosynspiracy


Zo, I agree with you on most of the rest, but to state that Obama isn't going anywhere may be a bit premature.

Nicolae Ceausescu didn't plan on going anywhere either.

Salvadore Allende didn't plan on going anywhere.

Julius Caesar actually had plans past March.

Askar Akayev planned on remaining president.

Victor Yanukovych was elected and thought he would be President.

Nicholas II of Russia didn't exactly retire.

Nor did Louis XVI.

In fact, there are revolutions roughly every five years somewhere in the world.

It would appear it's our turn again.

Obama Birth Certificate Rumor Debunked

From the Chicago Tribune, October 2008. Important quotes below:

In June, the Obama campaign released an electronic copy of the certificate bearing the seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health and showing that Barack Hussein Obama II was born to mother Stanley Ann Dunham in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961.

The issue of whether Obama is a “natural born citizen”—a citizen at birth—was raised in a June 10 article on the conservative Web site World Net Daily.

(Bold Text Emphasis by me)

Hawaii was a state in 1961, when Obama was born. Any person born in the U.S. automatically is a “natural born citizen,” said University of California Los Angeles law professor Eugene Volokh.

Even if a person is born outside the United States, courts have ruled any child born to at least one U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen, Volokh said. Stanley Ann Dunham would have counted even if Obama’s Kenyan father did not.

Dunham was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified even if Obama was born in another country, Volokh said. Congress made the law retroactive to 1952, doubly covering Obama.

Any legal challenge would have to argue that Congress can’t make someone retroactively a citizen at birth, and prove Obama was born outside of the U.S. after all.

Now, with that all said, please carry on, and ignore this post. I'm dropping out.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Except he was born in Hawaii... A US state.

So what? That does not necessarily mean that you are a natural born citizen. Your point is moot. Plus, him being born in Hawaii is debatable.

[edit on 7/22/2009 by WhatTheory]

Huh?????

Do you know anything about the U.S.?

Being born on our soil does not necessarily make him natural born and both parents need to be Americans?



You really need to lear some things about this country before speaking up so much about it.

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by imsuchaniceguy

 

how comforting. your prose is like a comfortable old shoe. old and worn out. this is certainly not about racism. that's a tired old argument.

Uh huh and....

and we've discussed the eligibility issue to death with no progress to speak of, blah blah blah

Which argument is older? That he is not American or that claiming that is about racism?

I will give you a hint. I have a chicken and an egg. Which one do you think is older?

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by imsuchaniceguy

 

look at green technologyblah blah blah.

You did not actually address anything I said outside of calling it old and worn out. Why did you waste a post replying to me when you obviously wanted to babble on about what you believe. Please, feel free. This is a pretty open forum. Just because you do not like what I said, that is no reason to use me as your diving board. Do you have anything to say about why he needs to show any of you anything? Do you have anything to say about McCain and his eligability? Anything at all that actually applies to my post? If so, your response will make some sense.

Originally posted by TheWake
Where were you brainwashed Ron Paulians during the last 8 years?, Oh I guess invading Iraq was okay. As Bush and his crones sucked the oil dry right in front of your faces but that was okay. The Patriot Act. Nah thats okay too, it going to "protect" us in the long run. Freedoms being takin away in the name of terrorism. Where were you Libertarians? Constitutional defenders? Now a man comes along a promises something America hasent had in a long time. Change. It may not be going the way you like but the man has a great outlook on the future of our country and your not giving him a chance. You people dont want to blame Bush. Most of you voted for him. What so aweful has Obama done to make you want to start a civil war?

Look Obama, for being in over half a year, is still cleaning up GW's mess. The economy was already falling short before Obama ever had any kind of power.

There's something fishy about you Ron Paulians , some underlying hatred that none of you want to admit. I cant help but to think its a race issue. The man was born in Hawaii move the hell on. What happened when ATS was all about anti- Faux News and legitimate media. When Hannity was the epitome of mis-information? Where did all those people go?

[edit on 22-7-2009 by TheWake]

An Obama supporter still defending his actions is calling Ron Paulians brainwashed? Have you noticed he's been in office 6 months and has already broken his promises to withdraw from Iraq, not raise taxes for people making less than 250,000, and has done nothing to provide the transparency he claimed would define his administration?

This vision for the country crap is really getting old. Look at his actions he is bailing out banks, unions (GM, Chrysler), continuing the mid east wars, trying to pass Cap & Trade, and a massive healthcare plan. Now who do these benefit? Hmm, all his biggest campaign contributors while screwing the people. Must just be a coincidence huh?

As a Ron Paulian - I can tell you I was just as pissed at the Bush admin for destroying our country, maybe even more so although that is changing fast. So you really expected the 1-2% of the country that are libertarians to somehow stop the bush admin policies, when the democrats 46% could not?

Believe it or not I am not against socialized medicine if it is done the right way. Not very libertarian of me I know, but it has been proven to work very well in other countries. However Obama's plan (or should I say the insurance, pharma, and Hospital industries plan) only takes our terrible system and adds bureaucracy on top. The whole point of going to socialized medicine is to cut costs - so why does even the federal accounting office say this will increase our costs? This plan plain sucks.

For the last time, asking the president to present his birth certificate is not racist, it is simply asking him to follow the law.

This is not a football game, this is not about two teams competing for entertainment of the viewers. This will affect your daily life dramatically with the actions he is taking. Obama is destroying this counties future by spending us into oblivion. If he keeps this up we will all be uber-slaves living joyless lives - it is not a game.

Originally posted by imsuchaniceguy
Huh?????

Do you have wax in your ears?

Do you know anything about the U.S.?

Apparently more than you.

Being born on our soil does not necessarily make him natural born and both parents need to be Americans?

Yes, both parents must be a U.S. citizen to be considered natural born.

You really need to lear some things about this country before speaking up so much about it.

You need to stop embarrassing yourself by spewing your high school taught knowledge.

Defining natural born citizen

Bingham had explained that to be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty

This paragraph really hits home:

What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues, thus, making such a citizen indistinguishable from a naturalized citizen.

reply to post by imsuchaniceguy


the problems with his eligibility to run for president had to do with his mother being too young to grant him citizenship and his father not being a US citizen, also the strong possibility that he was born in kenya. marriage between his mother and obama senior is questionable since senior had a valid marriage in kenya that was never temrinated. later junior was adopted by an indonesian as certain documentation shows. indonesian citizenship is implied by his travel to pakistan during college years when americans were not allowed there. his occidental college records are sealed (as are all his records) but many believe he attended there on a scholarship for foreign students. he certainly attended only the best and most exclusive schools. no sign of racism there. for the years he lived in hawaii, he never experienced racism because whites are in the minority and looked down on, from what i hear. there is no indication anywhere in his history of oppressive racism, only reverse racism. he has been given unprecedented opportunities for education and influence, a huge pass on vetting and everything else because of fear of being called racist. the criticism of his actions as president do not deal with him being lesser in any way, only for having a preference for chicago thugs and people of color who feel loyalty to him and rushing to change the very nature of this country. there's my summary. it's all been said a million times. the press and the courts ignore all these things. i assume you have as little regard for these details as they do.

i think it's time to start talking about his actions since he became presdient. don't you?

How wonderful are these threads? Let's all spew hate at eachother to debate whether or not he's eligible to be president due to his citizenship or lack thereof.

Let's all just bicker and ignore other issues more important to discuss about Obama.

Do you guys not understand that it doesn't matter if he was born in the US, or Kenya, he could have been born on the moon. It doesn't matter. If he was born in Kenya THEY know it. He's been tied to these people for decades. He came out of HARVARD and Ivy League school. How do you think he got all the money everyone argues about whether he had it legitamately or now. How do you think he supposedly got access to all these SS#'s?

THEY helped him get them. They saw potential in him. He's likable. He has a nice smile and a nice voice AND, to top it all off, he's BOTH black and white! BAM! They got themselves a winner there. And he proved to THEM how much potential he had when he became the FIRST "Black" president of the Havard Law Review.

If he isn't a natural born citizen, it doesn't matter, he's not going to go anywhere UNLESS he doesn't do what they want and then they whip out the wild card.

If he IS natural born, it still doesn't matter because he's not working for US. He's working for THEM.

I'm sorry Obama supporters, you REALLY need to examine more closely just WHO is in his cabinet. Quit dismissing EVERYTHING away. You can create your own perception about his policies and believe that they are to help you, but once you look at WHO is in his cabinet, there is NO WAY you can say that he is looking out for your interests.

I'm sorry Obama haters, but it's just a waste of energy bickering over the legitimacy of his BC. They'll either cook up a fake (if he's not a citizen) or they buy off a judge. You should know this by now. You're not going to convince the die hards. There's bigger fish to fry. There's other more tangible issues to try to open people's eyes to. Not one's that make them roll their eyes at you.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


This is so moronic.

The only people who still question it are the ones who want him out no matter what.

First off, the birth certificate thing is a dead issue.

Here's an investigation from FactCheck, complete with photos and more. There's even a copy of the newspaper announcement. This is stuff that can be easily checked, provided you're actually interested in facts and not ideology.

And even a cursory check on other articles at the website shows that it hands out pass/fails even-handedly on both sides, left and right.

Here's an interesting article from FrontPage, not exactly a liberal magazine.

Here's my favorite bit from that article:
For Obama to have been born in Kenya, Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. would have had to fly from Honolulu to Mombasa, give birth in a substandard third world hospital, fly back and then somehow arrange for a fraudulent birth certificate to be entered by the State of Hawai'i on August 8, 1961 (at the time governed by Republican William Quinn). They would have also somehow planted the phony birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser (at the time edited by Republican Thurston Twigg-Smith) and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Hawai'i’s current Republican Governor Linda Lingle would also have to be complicit in the cover-up as would all of the leftist 1960s University of Hawaii friends of Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr—among them US Rep Neil Abercrombie.

In 1961, the roundtrip flight to Kenya would have been a very expensive, pointless, and time consuming epic journey for two starving students. Barack Obama Sr. had only been able to come study at UH Manoa with a free ticket on a donated charter flight with other Kenyan students.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure a far-right mag like FrontPage wouldn't bother to defend Obama unless they had good reason to.

Re: the Cook thing. The guy contacted Taitz Feb 1st, asking to be part of her lawsuit.
Cook timeline

He volunteered for Afghanistan May 8.

He filed his "lawsuit" July 10. It was dismissed because there was no need for it July 14.

In their words, "The Commanding General of SOCCENT has determined that he does not want the services of Major Cook, and has revoked his deployment orders."

As I understand it, volunteers have the option to bow out until the day of their deployment.

Long story short: As the kids say, I call BS. Or maybe "Epic fail" would be better. The guy only volunteered so he could make a big deal about not wanting to go.

How stupid do people have to be not to recognize a contrived publicity stunt when they see one?



[edit on 7/23/2009 by Nightflyer28]

[edit on 7/23/2009 by Nightflyer28]

You my friend, hit the nail on the head. That was the most honest and insightful assessment I have read in a long time.
WE ARE BEING SET UP!!!

NOTHING and I mean NOTHING gets airtime unless TPTB allow it. PERIOD!
If you see it on T.V. then you were meant to see it. The WANT you to see it. They want you to react to it. And when you do........crackdown.

Problem:

Obama's eligability, he is found to be inelligable to hold office and is therefore removed.


Reaction:

Half the people are glad to see him go and are happy to see the system still works. He was removed from offfice as well he should have been

The other half are pissed off that he was removed and demand something be done. Furthermore they are pissed at all of the people that are happy that he was removed.
And then there is the other half of the second half who are African American who will feel that "The Man" is keeping them down and finally take to the streets to demand justice, resulting eventually in an all out race war.

Solution:

This is where it gets fun. We are going to need some more of our rights taken from us....for our own protection of course. There is an endless amount of scenarios that I could dream up but the end result is always the same. Loss of freedom!!!!!

So what? That does not necessarily mean that you are a natural born citizen. Your point is moot. Plus, him being born in Hawaii is debatable.

Actually, you're wrong. If you're born on American soil, you're an American.

Here's an example: Illegal immigrants come into this country. If they have children, their children are Americans.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. That makes him a U.S. citizen.

Only if he was born outside of America would his parents have to be American citizens.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Actually, you're wrong.

No, you are not comprehending the issue.

If you're born on American soil, you're an American.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. That makes him a U.S. citizen.

** SIGH **
It's apparent you did not read the link I provided and you really must have some reading comprehension problems.

Those points you just mentioned regarding Obama being a U.S. citizen is NOT in question. Good grief, how many times do I have to repeat myself.

Here is why you are confused. Being a U.S. citizen is NOT good enough to President of the United States. You MUST be a natural born citizen. In order to be a natural born citizen, your father must be a U.S. citizen. Some also say that both parents must be a U.S. citizen in order to be a natural born citizen.

Defining Natural Born Citizen

Do you get it now?
Just being born in Hawaii or showing a birth certificate is not proof that you are a natural born citizen.

Originally posted by WhatTheory
blah blah blah blah

Can you read? Just read this thread and it proves you wrong.

US law clearly stipulates: If only one parent was a US citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least Ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.

I am not sure where you get your info from but it is outdated. Glen Beck tell you that crap? Just read this thread. It explains very clearly the qualifications of a natural born citizen and it also explains that only one parent needs to be a citizen. You info is old. Laws change. Keep up or get off the track.

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by imsuchaniceguy

 

the problems with his eligibility to run for president had to do with his mother being too young to grant him citizenship and his father not being a US citizen,

Yeah, I know all of that. He was not born in Kenya. Do you really think his Mom planted the announcement in Hawaii Newspapers because she knew she was raising a president? His BC has been looked at and confirmed real. There is more evidence to prove he was born in Hawaii than not. All this Kenya talk is backed up by NOTHING so far. Put that back in your pocket and save it for another day. If he was born outside of the country, you are right, his mom was too young. The father does not matter. If mom was 23, then it would be ok. Oh well, he was born in Hawaii anyway so none of this stuff actually matters.