Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family

Hate crime? I believe so if they where attacked because of their color. Don't arrest the kids, arrest the parents for instilling such hatred in their children.

What do you think? Shouldn't the parents be held accountable for this obsurb attack? I mean if you teach your child racism and they act on it, shouldn't the parents be held accountable? Also, do you believe it is child abuse to teach your child hate of other humans for no other reason than the color of their skin?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
That doesn't mean we can't learn from their mistakes.

You're right, it was their mistake, not ours. Yet, we somehow get pinned with the blame long after the fact. There's nothing wrong with learning from past mistakes of others, but there's everything wrong with having those mistakes held over our heads and trotted out as justification for violence and hatred against us. You said you don't have a people, I guess you're right. You're just Irish on the outside, which makes sense because the Irish generally don't let themselves be pushed around.

We can't offend them now can we haha. The crime rates have gone up since Obama took office because the black people feel so much more free...at least in my area that has happened.

Violence and harassment are already illegal. We don't need more laws that label people about things that are already crimes.

Arrest the little punks, put them in jail and forget about it.

These articles are sensationalized to sell the news. The Media holds a lot of the blame.

We ALL have:

Hearts : to live and love with

Minds : to think and create peace with

Bodies : to move us along to spread all of the above

So WHY sit around after all these centuries of learning and growing hurting each other? Because some "popular" speaker from one race or another comes out and says go get them....they did "our" people wrong "?"

We all have families; we all love ;we all feel pain; and we ALL bleed red....get used to it.!. It can't be changed we are all human in one way or another. Only what is in our hearts and minds can be changed for the better of our future generations.
xoxo stacie

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We not only allowed it to happen, we did it and continue to do it.
Say anything negative, even if true, and your white associates will promptly attack you with accusation of "racist", "hate monger" etc.
White people are their own enemies.

Note the psychology at work here and else where thruout history.

Those who are oppressed and hated stick together.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by OhZone]

Originally posted by maybereal11
Regardless...yes it "seems" racially motivated.

Yes, it certainly "seems" that way.

My favorite posting so far is "why do you hate your own race" or "own people"...It's like I am watching some cheesy White Supremist recruiting video.

Right, I forgot it's racist for whites to seek and promote racial unity, and call ourselves a "people", but completely acceptable for blacks to do the same and more. Thank you for illustrating so nicely the double standard, and the reason for our anger, which is justified. I can only speak for myself personally when I say I don't feel I'm "superior" to people of any other race. But I do recognize it's natural to feel cohesion with the ones you've come this far with collectively. That doesn't equal hating other races, I am willing to be friends with anybody who wants to be friends with me, but they have to look past the mistakes I had nothing to do with.

I feel rather disenfranchised as a young white male (actually, I've got quite a bit of Native American heritage too, but very few people would notice due to my skin color). It seems society consistently accuses me of being a "racist" just because I live out "in the country" (even though I do not judge a person by skin color; I judge by individual character), or tries to convince me I need to be "ashamed" of my skin color. And for simply saying these things, I'm sure there's folks out there who'd call me a racist.

And I'd reply "But we're ALL our creator's children," and someone would get mad about that too.

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by Bearack

 

Slaves to those ancient africans was entirely different from what you speak off. It's like comparing a model-T car to 2009 Mustang...Yes they are both cars but entirely different as well. If you don't want to take my word on it, then read a history book about the Sub-Saharan Africans and how they treated their "slaves". Being a "slave" wasn't really a slave.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by cenpuppie]

Slavery is slavery. It's gone on since the dawn of humanity, and it still goes on today, under different names and guises. The ancient Africans are no more noble than the white European and American slave owners... Remember, quite a few Southern families "treated their slaves well" too (so well that descendants of their families continued to work for them for generations after), but no one tries to justify it for them. It's still claiming ownership of a human being. I don't care how "nice" to them you are. In my eyes, it's still wrong.

And so is serfdom (the current American system!), but that's an entirely different thread.

Crime stems from low socio-economical areas. It doesn't matter the amount of pigment, or lack of, in your skin, if you live in or near such an area, chances are there's a high crime problem. A poor "white" neighborhood has just as many gang and drug problems as a poor "black" one (head North of Detroit for such examples). From a Marxist viewpoint, the oppressed (in this case, those in the lower socio-economical bracket) will always focus their anger against the oppressors (higher socio-economical bracket). Whether there's justification due to the "system's design" is another argument. However, it's easier for the one group to act out against the other group if they believe it'll move them ahead. Or, as justification of why they're stuck where they are in life, rather then going out to better themselves (granted, many an argument can be made over economic status brings more opportunities, and this does have to be looked at as well).

In regards to these cases of youth criminals attacking innocent bystanders, the mixture of hormones, poor parenting, lack of responsibility, and group mentality are all rolling up into a powder keg ready to explode and it just needs a fuse...for them, the "reason" doesn't matter, just that there is one...so the fuse is lit under the guise of race superiority (either to overcome, or to keep oppressing others). Historically, where did most of NYC's violence occur? On the few border streets between the different ethnic neighborhoods. But, if where you're from isn't an issue, something else will take it's place. This explains inter-cultural crime. There have been too many reported cases of race provoked riots which end in criminals burning storefronts of their own kin. The motivation again will center around rich vs poor..."Forget skin color, if you own a business that means you're 'one of them'".

My point is that any justification will work as a flash point towards violence if the group/individual is ready to act out. "Race" just happens to make the headlines...

To stem this tide of daily news reports we all have to get to the root of the issue. What is that, you ask? I wish I knew. I can only speculate that it comes down to parenting. Children need to be raised by parents...let me correct that...children need to be loved and guided while growing up. If they're neglected, problems will occur. Yes, two parents is an ideal...but single families have great kids too. It all is focused on the personal involvement of the parent. If two parents or one parent, or a guardian, etc does not care about the child, there will be issues. There's always exceptions, but the deck will be stacked against them. If your (fill in the blank) makes you check in after school, goes over your homework with you, and when you do go out to play keeps tabs on where you are...you're a heck of a lot less likely to end up like the above group. Yes, you're going to get in trouble, but I doubt you'll be gang rushing families on the 4th of July.

But you ask, "It's not a realistic way to live anymore...even Mrs. Obama says so, we all need to have two jobs...what do we do instead to fix this?" That, if you can answer, is the million dollar question. The system is flawed. There really is too much to change at once. I can only hope that one person here, and one person there, will instill some great values into their own children, friends, & family. This will then in turn be passed on to the next, and the next. Maybe, just maybe, after a few cycles of life, things will start looking different....better. People will become friendly, say "Hello" while passing on the street, and maybe even leave their doors unlocked again. Yea, it's a pipe-dream mostly...but it's something to strive towards. Because without that, we're all just spiraling downward into isolation and will use any excuse to alleviate the reality of that situation, like violence against another for the sheer joy of it.

this is sick,,,,


the people who this are sick,,,,


for no reason,,,just very low IQ human breeds hurting others for no reason!!!!!!!!!

Im an in between being korean,,,,but i dont hear about white mobs attacking black families!!!!!!!!

there is no facts/case on why the sickos' loozers are doing this,,,,,common sense to me is their big time scum who need to feel a bullet!!!!!!!!!

dam them!!!!!!

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by MegaCurious

 

I have to call BS on your "personal accounts", if that kind of treatment were as commonplace as you are claiming, it would be all over the MSM and it would be WELL documented on CNN's "Black in America" and "up from a past". Being white, I've NEVER in my 32 years on this planet seen that kind of blatant discrimination with my own eyes. You either have an overactive, paranoid imagination, or you are just making it up completely to try and justify your racism against whites. If that crap is really true, you should strap on a hidden camera JUST ONCE out of ALL the times this happens to you, and sue the crap out of those businesses and security firms. Problem is it doesn't happen.

I don't know about Cleveland, but the small town where I am from is racist as hell... and so far it hasn't been reversed.
Here's a racial generalisation for you : most of the black guys I played sports with are in prison or dead. And this is a small town. Many of the survivors live on farms that ( except for a few details ) look like a movie set from ' Oh, Brother Where Art Thou ? ' .
I graduated in the FIRST integrated class in my hometown. This was in 1981... not 1955 !

Racism of the old school kind is quite alive and well, and if these people weren't so repressed ( and many programmed to feel powerless with handouts )... then, as some have suggested in this thread, we would all be armed to the teeth. And surrounded.

Two wrongs don't make a right , though... and since families and communities won't get involved with these kids- then the Dept. of Corrections will. Too damn bad, really.

Star and Flag for you OP.

This needs to get major attention all across the board. Don't hide stuff like this in this "uber-sensitive" we love everyone world they're trying to lie their way into.

If this crap had even looked like it was starting to happen where I'm from in Texas....


Well, let's just say there's a reason we keep a goodly number of rifles, handguns, archery equipment, swords and ammunition.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
That doesn't mean we can't learn from their mistakes.

You're right, it was their mistake, not ours. Yet, we somehow get pinned with the blame long after the fact. There's nothing wrong with learning from past mistakes of others, but there's everything wrong with having those mistakes held over our heads and trotted out as justification for violence and hatred against us. You said you don't have a people, I guess you're right. You're just Irish on the outside, which makes sense because the Irish generally don't let themselves be pushed around.

Well, anytime someone blames me for their issues, I have to remind them that their world is made by every choice they make. You are your own God and create the subjective world we call reality. Sure others might do harmful things to you, but ultimately we get to choose how we react or how we interpret the actions of others.

However, this doesn't change the fact that we are now dealing with the lack of forethought of the framers of the constitution. That's point in fact. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't justify it... but it is the type of foundation upon which people for millennia have used as a justification for conquering other people. The Hebrews did it, Celts did it, and there are tons of ethnic people today doing it. These guys who were so well schooled in the different government forms were seriously lacking when it came to the sociological patterns of history.

The reason I say "I don't have a people", is because I have no cultural identity. I wasn't raised around people who look like me, wasn't taught anything cultural regarding my lineage etc. It has only been in my later years that I have come to realize the idiosyncrasies I have are traits of those I share lineage with, and not something to be ashamed of, but embrace.

I live in England where as a white, hetrosexual male, with no disabilities Im struggling if Im after a promotion!
I've worked in jobs that are competancy based, and when a certain number of people of a certain race failed to make the grade they blamed it on not having a good grasp of English. This was a job where you had to be born in the UK. Instead of been told that the basic requirement of the job role was to be able to speak English, they sent them on a years college course. These were men who'd been living in the UK their whole lives. It was clear that they'd been given the job in the first place due to their skin colour, and then not sacked when they weren't upto it due to their skin colour. I've since been sacked for visiting my Grandad in hospital on his death bed for half an hour, during my lunch break!!

As for slavery, its been and gone and black people (and do-gooder whites) dont seem to realise that all this is causing far more problems. It makes feel left out and I feel as though maybe I should start crying and asking for reformation from the Romans and Vikings for them raping and pilliging Englands women and villages all those years ago!! And whilst Im there the French can give me some money and sympathy for the bother William the Conqueror caused!! The truth is if all that didn't happen then we'd still be living in the dark ages like the Middle East killing people over a heard of goats. Black people should realise that although it was a terrible thing to happen, its been and gone and they should be thankful that there in a rich country now as opposed to Sudan or Somalia. Id bet a few of those there now would sacrifice themselves for slavery if it meant 200 years down the line their offspring had the opportunities that people have in our countries.

However part of me cant help but think that all this is been ochestrated from higher up to cause global dis-content, because although Im from England, its the same story in every white, christian country around the World.

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Thank you HunkaHunka, there is hope!

All this crap reminds me of something from the 60's.
A truely unique plan to pit the races against each other.





HELTER SKELTER!!!

Originally posted by Wimbly
I'm amazed that a gang of all black kids could target white people while shouting "This is our world, a black world" and it not be a hate crime.

I'm not.

I think a second line isn't neccessary as them 2 words sum up the hypocritical world we live in.
You wont be seeing this splashed all over the media and news channels.

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Ok just wiped all the water I spit on my computer screen from the shooting the gun correctly, "not sideways". Funny.

Seriously, I live in a all white community, and we are starting to get a few black families in our town, they too are sick of the drug dealing, unemployed, parentless black thugs in their old neighborhood. Welcome.

Also, as far as the 'liberty without the ability to defend it with guns' argument. I will defend it with any means necessary. And its that attitude that will enable us to keep our liberty. Put limits on the way you defend it and you have already starting losing it.

Humans haven't evolved above the level of tribalism, no-how no-way. We just have more tech to make us lazy, and more of the same on corruption. We all fight for resources on the bottom, but the top gets the profits and they don't care who buys.

In the olden days, this was a coming of age right to attack another tribe, especially with numbers on the side of the attackers.

Racism will always exist until there is something to unify the races in solidarity, usually mutual hatred of some other group has been the key element, sadly.