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Originally posted by eniac
But I'm as puzzled as anybody about the lack of obvious debris at the PA scene.
So... are there any people who were at the scene who dispute the fact that much of the debris 'burrowed' into the soft ground there?? Did anyone who was at the scene say there was very little debris there?
Originally posted by ATH911
No, I have a problem with officials saying they essentially dug out 24 cars out of that ground, yet there is little evidence of this and the little evidence that has been show has also been shown how it could have easily been staged.
What's disappointing is you skeptics can't even prove where the bulk of the plane was after it crashed!!! hahaha
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by ATH911
Some 60 tons of aircraft pieces was recovered, enought to fill 10 large bins like this
Searchers spent WEEKS literally crawling over scene multiple times to recover all the pieces
Here can find reports of search efforts (too long to post)
Originally posted by exponent
So because you think it could have been staged, it was staged?
How would you expect it to be proven? You've heard reports from the people who actually cleaned this stuff up,
you've seen pictures of the operation, what more could realistically be provided?
Originally posted by ATH911
No, because it was SHOWN to be staged and coupled with that fact that no other evidence of the alleged 80% of debris underground has been produced.
All those reports are about the cleanup ABOVE ground. We are interested in the cleanup BELOW ground.
All of that evidence points to a staged event and no large plane in the ground.
All the evidence you skeptics have that a large plane is in the ground is based on faith
Originally posted by exponent
But if it was shown to be staged, then you have evidence of it being staged right?
No I'm pretty sure they encompass the excavation as well.
All the evidence other than the eyewitness accounts, dna, personal effects, radar tracking, photographs then. What evidence actually proves staging though? Seems to me you're simply saying "The evidence is not good enough, therefore it was staged", but since when is this the default option?
You cannot simply fall back to the "we don't have enough evidence of it being real, so it was staged" option, without actual evidence to back up your theory.
Too bad we've shown that engine is dirt-free and small enough to fit in the bucket next to it. FAIL
Originally posted by weedwhacker
YOU refuse to accept the facts
YOU make up "facts" (as in the post just above)
YOU use incredibly ridiculous hyperbole (24 cars!!! )
YOU are the one being the 'skeptic', with your disdain and ridicule.
Therefore, it is ULTIMAtely your job to prove YOUR point....
Originally posted by ATH911
Yep.
Oh you're pretty sure? Just like you are pretty sure 80% of Flight 93 was buried? Why don't you post some accounts of the rescue crew digging out the equivalent of 24 cars below that [s]hole[/s] crater?
Btw, are you ever going to show evidence of where most of the plane wreckage was after the alleged crash? We are impatiently awaiting...
Originally posted by exponent
All you present in this post is the idea that by looking at a picture of an engine, you've been able to identify somehow that it's not dirty enough
and that the flight recorders were "obviously staged".
Do you think this is sufficient evidence to contradict the accounts of people who actually worked the ground, picking out bits of metal and flesh?
Without this, you are doing nothing but speculating away the hard work of over a thousand people and proclaiming whatever you don't like the sounds of, to be a lie.
The accounts have been posted.
What evidence would you like? Be specific please.