Ok, I have to ask you about Obama.

to put it simply

he promised change

what has been changed, isnt exactly what we thought he meant when he campaigned for it


we imagined when he talked of change, we thought itd be for the better


but things have changed for the worse, not the better like we thought he meant


all thats happening are more of our rights are being threatened and instead of less federal government like our original constitution calls for


we are just gaining more government, more bailouts, and all around just more crap


ask the administration why?

they reply

they are problems we have inherited and will take time to fix


i dont know how it will be fixed, when they continue doing the same crap


seems to me, either obamas a cold liar

or he really thought hed be able to change things

then when he finally arrived, he found out someone was already there calling the shots, and he doesnt have the power he thought hed have

Originally posted by grover
It appears to me that ATS members are predominately conservative and/or right wing so you cannot really gauge how the rest of the nation views Obama by this site. His current approval rating is at 65% which is pretty damned good... here on ATS I would guess it is at about 30% or less.


but I wouldn't gauge how well Obama is doing based on ATS anymore than I would listening to mush loosebowels.

[edit on 8-6-2009 by grover]

i give you that

but does that mean we should gauge how obamas doing by the current approval rating, which is a poll of people who get more then likely 90 percent + of the information they have from the mainstream media?

Obama is a lie

in regards to his health care plan; we all want cheaper stuff but if things are too cheep then every thing goes to hell if a new hummer was just 2,000 hummer would go under in days and same with health care. my mother works for a RD. the DR makes $450 per person he sees. that sounds like alot hua? well the drugs often cost 300 then the time to treat there person costs 100 and so forth. at the end of the day he gets 20 per person. now rent for his office is not cheep being that he has hard drugs in thier he needs a top noch security system and a good insurance policy and he still needs to pay all his workers.......


with this new obama plan he will get at most 100-20 per person....ya nice one obama all the nice DR offices in nice places r gonna be gona and we will have to go to these cheep ass shady DR'S in the ghetto. nice obama real safe......

and about IRAQ and obama's plan. oh where to start..... he said 1 year first then 2 then 5 now they are saying it wont be 10 years until all US troops are out. obama just cant keep his story straight.

BTW im really sorry that i didn't put this in my last comment i clicked post too early.lol my bad.

Whoever posted this thread has got to be out of there minds. I would go on and on but Im sure you just posted this to make people go nuts and make yourself feel special. If thats not the case then Im sure you are either a reptilian or part of the NWO. Either way I SEE THROUGH YOU.

Four letters and the way they came into our lives should tell you all you need to know about the Obama regime...

TARP.

The legislative branch was essentially blackmailed, even threatened with marshal law to pass this farce on American policy.

I'll tell you what, you're across the pond. Personally, if I see an American that ISN'T pissed about what this man has done to our country in under 150 days in office, I'm suspicious of that person's motivation.

That's right... I said it. If you, as one of MY countrymen, is NOT pissed about the bailouts, ESPECIALLY Chrysler, AIG, and GM... Then you are buying in to EVERYTHING that ol' Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, and the Hearsts are feeding you, and there is DEFINITELY something wrong upstairs with you.

Have fun in the camps... We'll try to get your butts out in between fighting off the NWO backed troops, restoring the Constitution of the United States, and making sure our families are safe and secure.

I know a good supplicant percentage of the readers of this will think I'm some nutter, so dismiss this post at your own peril.

reply to post by breakingdradles

You've got to be kidding. Look at the miracle of our current Federal Tax system.

Look at what the Fed has done for Social Security.

Look at what they've done for Medicaid/Medicare.

Look at what they've done for Immigration/border control.

Look at what they've done for our Budget.

Look at what they've done with 700 Federal Advisory Commissions.

Look at what they've done with Amtrak.

Look at what they've done with the Economic Development Administration.

Look at what they've done for Education.

Jesus.

Don't even get me started.

So they're suddenly, for the first time in history, going to get something right? Is that what you're saying?

They're not going to dictate care/costs/treatments?

They're not going to ruin quality health care?

They're not going to provide social parasites with an additional method of burdening the rest of us?

Listen. The Federal Government hasn't done the first damned thing to help the American People.

The Federal Government has improved NOTHING.

The Federal Government has never, ever created one single job. Ever.

The Federal and State governments have already by mandates, regulations, and tort reform have raised the price of healthcare beyond reach, and NOW they're going to improve the situation?

No.

This will be an economic, social, and medical disaster of historical proportions.

And no one to blame by the time the mistake has been made.

Originally posted by dooper
The Federal Government has never, ever created one single job. Ever.

Wrong much? Sorry to interrupt your little treatise but:

The Works Progress Administration (renamed in 1939 to the Work Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest New Deal agency, employing millions of people and affecting almost every locality in the United States, especially rural and western mountain populations. It was created by Franklin Delano Roosevelt's presidential order, and funded by Congress with passage of the Emergency Relief Appropriation Act of 1935 on April 8, 1935. (The legislation had passed in the House by a margin of 329 to 78, but got bogged down in the Senate.)[1]

It continued and extended relief programs similar to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC), started by Herbert Hoover and the U.S. Congress in 1932. Headed by Harry Hopkins, the WPA provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression in the United States. Between 1935 and 1943, the WPA provided almost 8 million jobs.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...

( OK, Wikipedia but with sources attributed. )

Sorry, no time to fact check your other frothing.


[edit on 8-6-2009 by kinda kurious]

I don't hate Obama. I didn't hate Bush. I feel sorry for both of them.

Hating Obama or Bush is like being offended by something said in a ventriloquist act and punching the doll in the face.

Who you should be hating is the people behind the White House. The string pullers, who have maneuvered all the pieces since JFK was 'removed from office'.

Their system is brilliant. Because even if people get sick of, or rebel against, a President or administration, they still reign in the next sucker to take the job.

reply to post by breakingdradles


reply to post by breakingdradles


Ummm, before I put my boot up your behind (figuratively of course )

I will say i agree with you and your right.

But you telling me Im lazy because I get medicare irks me quite a bit. I used to work over 80 hours a week. I now work between 50 and 60 pulling in a measley 2500 or less a month. You expect me to pay $10,000 to these white collar scumbags for my son to be born. Well "friend" you got another thing coming from us lazy and poor....

i could have a few other choice words for your comment, but ill leave it at that.

edit to add:

dont hate obama, but he is the exact same politician that has sat in that office for the last 100 years. change was the biggest joke of the century.

but i will admit, politics is a balance between sucking up to those that put you where you are and those you desire to fight for. but i couldnt find it in my sould to stand up for anyone in either of those main parties..

besides

RON PAUL


[edit on 9-6-2009 by open_eyeballs]

reply to post by earthman4


you need to research the things you post about. read peter schiff. he will bring you out of the dark ages.
read about what happens when the treasury buys its own debt.
stop listening to olberman,because he was a second rate sportscaster,and even a worse msnbc stooge.
find out what happens to countries who buy their own debt.,because when they were telling you to picket the people from AIG,they bought 1.3 trillion of it.
you have a lot to learn my friend...we are headed to hell in a handbasket.

research the vermact,and zimbabwe. then you 'll know what 's coming.

you have a choice my friend,rampant unemployment,or HYPER inflation, you know,the kind germany had when it took a wheelbarrow full of marks to buy a loaf of bread.
not to mention that your great great grandchildren will be paying for companies that have been long bankrupt.
when china disconnects from us and our cash goes to sh*t,please get back to me and tell me how the annointed one has made your newly fascist life so much fun.
you relly need to be educated in economics,and buy small denomination silver and gold coins...quickly!

please educate yourself.being hungry sucks.

[edit on 9-6-2009 by Spectre0o0]

Where to start...First, I don't hate Obama. In his defense, he believed he could make the change the FAR left desired. He is now finding out what incompetence is all about. Now the problems he has brought upon himself and why people are so agitated, at least why I am so agitated with Obama is:

He promised he wouldn't have lobbyist in his government. He has packed his administration with every lobbyist he could find.

He promised transparency in his administration. He hasn't allowed transparency yet. Even to the point of not letting anyone in congress read the legislation they voted on. Quite the opposite, he used threats and intimidation to get the stimulus bill passed. It had to be done immediately or else. Well, nothing changed with its passing. As a matter of fact, most of the money hasn't been spent and wasn't going to be until 2010. Why was it so urgent then? It only had urgency because if anyone would have read it, and the people would have seen what was really in it, it would never, and should have never been passed. It hasn't helped create one job. And it has even hurt jobs, markets, and business because the money men know what the largest deficit the country has ever had is going to do to the dollar (which has lost 36% of its value since he has worked his wonders) and as such have held back on investing in the markets and business.

Electing someone without experience, such as Obama, has left our country in the worst possible hands.

Obama thinks he can just print as much money as he needs. Anyone with any fiscal sense knows that you can't spend your way out of a recession.

Obama and his far left think the bigger the government, running and ruling the private business sector, the better. An even Russian leader like Putin has said that it doesn't work and will cause our country a lot of misery.

Geitner was in China this week and they LAUGHED at him when he was trying to tell them to invest in America. Even communist China knows how bad Obama is running OUR country.

Obama stated he wants a National Security Force as big as the military and as well armed as the military, to operate inside the US. Is there any question at all what this would do to our freedoms, not to mention the cost of which would be just another millstone around America's neck pulling it down into the abyss.

One of the New Black Panther's Party leaders, and I don't have his name right now, that stood outside a polling place threatening voters and was brought up on charges, was let off by this administration. If that was anyone else besides a militant black organization they would have fried the person and asked for as much prison time as possible.
Here is the story on voter intimidation:
/lrnlw6

Obama is supposed to be helping fix the economy. He goes on a date night in New York at the cost of $37,000 for the helicopters and other transportation paid by the tax payer. This is just one incident. Obama has no care how much he spends when this country can afford it the least.

After only these few things associated directly with Obama, one can see that his vision for America is not at all what the people voted for or want.

Obama told his supporters out in California that if they don't force his healthcare plan through this year then they won't be able to get it passed. He knows what is coming in 2010 elections. He is trying to force all his terrible ideas through now because even Congress is wary of his ideas.

It isn't a matter of HATE for Obama. It is a matter of damaging the country through INCOMPETENCE that people hate because Americans do love their country and can't stand to see it destroyed by someone that LIED to get in office. He has lied so much, he can't give a speech without it being typed up beforehand so he can read off the teleprompter.

I could list more, but I will leave it at that for now.


[edit on 9/6/09 by spirit_horse]

[edit on 9/6/09 by spirit_horse]

First of all, everyone that receives medicare or medicade is not lazy! I find your comment very lacking in common sense. I am not lazy either and did put time into the work force, so sorry that I had back surgery and am unable to work. Jerk!

Obama is nothing like the nice smiling man promising change we can believe in and hope.

This is a nice list of all the reasons that I have gone from a huge supporter of this guy to an avid opposer.

FISA
TARP
renewal of Patriot
No withdrawal of troops, no plans to bring them home, no nothing but more"contractors" oops I mean Blackwater mercenaries
Appointing a pro life Catholic to a post where contraception will be in danger
TARP
bailout, bailout, bailoutS, bailoutS, bailoutS,
that big $11 in everyones checks, big stimulus isn't it????
Bush people still calling the shots in the war effort
Geitner, Sommers, and all the Bildeberger, CFR and Trilateral people in his administration
Now he is not going to challenge don't ask don't tell


There are more but I have only had one cup of coffee! The man is a liar, he has conned the party and is far worse than Bush. We knew and everyone knew what Bush was, Obama is a player in the worst way.

Originally posted by NoHopeForSome
What has he done to piss you all off?

TO START WITH ...

Trillions in debt.
Nationalization of banks and private corporations.
He's a racist. Discussed Here
He's a liar.
He doesn't know what he's doing due to his severe lack of experience.
He's just a New World Order tool.
He doesn't believe in 'selective vaccinations' (so he'll force swine flu
vaccines).
He wants to 'redistribute wealth'.
He wants to punish the productive and reward the lazy with his 'soak the rich' taxes.
He wastes tax payer money on his 'vacations'.
His broken promises about 'no lobbiests will have a job in my White House'.
Discussed here .
His nafarious underworld connections - Discussed here .
Appointment of Eric Holder
ACORN
His power grab bringing the power of the Census to the White House.
His unending 'Apology Tour' - where he goes overseas, hat in hand, and blames America for everything.


Mostly -

Oh .. and in that video when he says that he's the only candidate to oppose the war from the beginning ... he's telling yet another lie. At one point he said that his view on the war is the same as Bush 43.

Obama to Tim Russert in 2004

There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage

transcript

He closed GB, which is good,

You mean GITMO? Closing GITMO is not good.

He wants to give public healthcare, which if done right is fantasic,

He wants socialized medicine.
People die waiting for healthcare with socialized medicine.
It's a good idea that is never done right.

and he is not GW Bush.

6 billion others on this planet are not Bush43 either. So what?
That doesn't make Obama qualified to be POTUS.



[edit on 6/9/2009 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by dooper
He wants to give you public healthcare?

No he isn't.

He's going to tell me I have to pay for your health care.

What kind of crap is that?

What do you think happens when an uninsured person goes to the hospital or doctor? You pay for it!! It's gets added in to your health care premium.

How do you feel about my grand parents retried with health insurance, going broke. Bankrupt after refinancing there house (that was paid off 35 years ago) to pay what they said was pre-existing condition!?!?!

Corruption and greed

The insurance companies, the bankers, the republicans and democrats...all can suck my balls.

reply to post by redhead57


It is refreshing to see yet another former "frothing at the mouth" Obamaton turning to "the dark side". There seem to be nearly as many of you now as there were zealous campaign volunteers and college kids crying at the "chosen one's" campaign speeches. He's soooo dreamy, isn't he? (barf).

I DO have one nagging question though, it's been bothering me alot lately.

It seems that the few supporters of the Obama regime that are left here on ATS have a pat response nearly anytime a post exposes one of the man's lies:

"Where were YOU the last 8 years?"

With that in mind, I ask all former Obama supporters a counter-question, as well as a counter to the OP:

What "pulled the wool over your eyes"? Did you simply ignore the warning and pleading of those of us that have seen through Mr. Sotero from the beginning... Out of spite? It is clear that this man has no intentions of fulfilling any of his campaign promises... Nothing really new under the sun there, but I truly believe that this man IS in fact, "chosen".

...-Chosen by TPTB as the most malleable and natuarally charismatic, in order to trick all of you into voting for him, as if they really count votes anymore...

Is it yet apparant that this man has committed, or continued, more acts of disdain for We, the People in his very short time in office than Bush?

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't fooled- I voted for McCain... Simply because I considered it a vote against Obama, whom I considered much more dangerous. I'm not under any illusions that they don't work for the same people, I just knew that the American people would more willingly accept Obama's edicts, as we are now seeing. This, in a nutshell, is why I "voted"...

I just want to know how all these "tin foil hat wearing" folks were fooled so easily... I thought we were better than that!

Thanks for waking up, now join us all and start DOING something to take our country back!



[edit on 9/6/09 by cbianchi513]

reply to post by Vinveezy


The sand in which you place your head is Fox "News"?

LOLOLO!

reply to post by Vinveezy


MSM Zombie!

MSM Zombie!

reply to post by cbianchi513


I guess the most honest answer would be this: I was truly hoping for a drastic change from the Bush regime. Here he was a newcomer to Washington with what appeared to be a good record on Civil Rights which I saw as good in the face of the Patriot Act. I foolishly believed him when he said he would bring the troops home from this war of lies. I was a Democrat so I felt it was my responsibility to work for the candidate and would have done the same work for Hillary if things had worked out differently.

I was also just starting down this road of education on the NWO and all the rest of the things we discuss here. I found ats around this time last year and was focused on the UFO sections, it took me a couple months to get to the political stuff, but I was not convinced until after the election. As I read and researched my heart sank and my gut hurt to see how I had been fooled all these years. Many of my family thought I was nuts spending up to 10 hours a day reading and researching. Now that I have somewhat of a grasp of all this I am doing what I can to educate those around me that went for the charm and charisma of this guy.

I do think that McCain threw the election and was forced to choose Sarah, she is a piece of work and I believe she cost him the election. I am in full agreement....they are all on the same team and that no matter what things will continue on until the people revolt. I do think nothing short of a real revolution will change this course and sadly most of the US is just too focused on stupid crap to care. Think "I am a celebrity get me out of here"...I rest my case.


[edit on 6/9/2009 by redhead57]