Ok, I have to ask you about Obama.

What has he done to piss you all off? He closed GB, which is good, He wants to give public healthcare, which if done right is fantasic, and he is not GW Bush.

In all seriousness, I don't understand what the issue is. Please can somebody tell me why. I mean, We all know why Gordon Brown is hated, but I don't follow US politics much, so I would love to know why the American people are so mad at him when he has seemingly not done much so far...

He wants to give you public healthcare?

No he isn't.

He's going to tell me I have to pay for your healthcare.

What kind of crap is that?

Ok, my bad, I was going from info from another thread in here.

Still, my question still stands. Apart from the healthcare stuff, which is a hateable offence.

The Obama revolution is going just fine. We who voted for him are still with him, only a few have been disillusioned,they will complain about everything and blame their own shortcomings on Obama.

Originally posted by NoHopeForSome
What has he done to piss you all off? He closed GB, which is good, He wants to give public healthcare, which if done right is fantasic, and he is not GW Bush.

In all seriousness, I don't understand what the issue is. Please can somebody tell me why. I mean, We all know why Gordon Brown is hated, but I don't follow US politics much, so I would love to know why the American people are so mad at him when he has seemingly not done much so far...

No, he hasn't closed Gitmo, that is what he wants to do but none of our allies want to take the detainee's and the citizens here don't want terrorist running around in our back yard.

No he doesn't want to give public health care, that is a rehashed issue the dems have wanted to do for a long time. Personally I don't want our politicians dictating what kind of health care I get. The government can't even make money selling whiskey and running a whore house. Public health care will be a disaster.

He isn't GWB, so what? Do you think that nobody can be worse then W.?

The reason why people are mad and are getting mad at him because he says one thing and does something totally different. He is an inept leader and I don't think he is even a leader.

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Is not about "hate" I even voted for him, the problem is that he was put in power in the "visions and promises of hope and change" he campaigned against what many People hated about the former president and his policies.

So far Every thing has been a chasm, a lie, a deception, his policies have not changed from the ones of bush, his proposed change is not change at all.

Most of the threads regarding Obamas deceptions comes with well documented prof and facts, links and explanations.

I don't see many post base on opinions like this one obviously will become.



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I do not feel safe with obama as president.He is weak in foreign policy and he can't keep his hands off my money.I personally do not care if they torture terrorists and I miss Bush everyday that I see that muslim socialist on t.v.

I just find it problematic that both Obama and Billary Clinton can attend the same secret meeting (Bilderberg 08-Virginia) with only a couple months left before elections and still accept the premise that his interests, or those he serves, are my interests.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
He isn't GWB, so what? Do you think that nobody can be worse then W.?

Hmm, that's a tough one. The Kernel will have to put a lot of thought into this questions. OK, done. Yes.

I didn't vote for him, but I don't hate him. President Obama, for better or worse, is the man in the white house, at a pivotal time in history.

I think that there will always be a large amount of dissent against the sitting President, especially on ATS, regardless of who that President is. I'm not certain that we're an accurate microcosm of the general U.S. poplulation.

Okay, OP, you asked a question. We have to be careful how we answer it, lest we say something that derails your whole thread. So, here is one of my answers. Please don't reply to me, I'm answering the OP.

I'm still very concerned about the birth certificate issue. It's not going to go away, and the longer it goes on the worse it seems. Second thing -- while I agree that the past foreign policy was ineffective, I think it makes President Obama seem naive and somewhat weak as a nation's leader to appear to try to be everyone's friend. Secretary Clinton has been a surprise to me, and I once again wish she'd have been elected POTUS.

I try to keep in mind, especially in these charged times, President Obama has held office for seven months. We can't very well get "pissed" at him for things we think he's going to do. Not yet.

Hope.

Originally posted by dooper
He wants to give you public healthcare?

No he isn't.

He's going to tell me I have to pay for your healthcare.
What kind of crap is that?

You already pay for the poor and lazy's health care! Medicare, Medicade and SS!!!

He wants to set up what is basically a government run insurance company that is NOT FOR PROFIT.

Kind of like the pool government employees have because they don't want people making money off their health insurance!!

Think of how many billions of dollars each year private insurance companies get from you and me!!!

Why not take all the PROFIT out of the cost of the insurance and benefit a whole lot of people instead of a privileged few!

I disagree with most everything he says, but this is something I have been wanting once I found out Federal employees didn't want people making money off their health care but let insurance companies take it from their constituents.

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Well we all know that if Obama was a white conservative the sad and petty Democrats would be running around this country like a pack of chickens with their heads cut off, all screaming for proof of his birth certificate. But most conservatives wont say anything for fear of being called a member of the KKK. Democrats are great at psy-ops!

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The Major is inclined to question the length of your deliberation Kernel. The brevity would leave the Major to believe that only one or two swallows of the old thought provoker could have been imbibed, leaving you quite sober.

The Major will take this moment to remind you that your judgment is more than suspect whilst encumbered by sobriety. The Major suggests some intensive research that will result in the much needed inebriation and clarity to adequately address this issue.

Sir, your blood alcohol level is insufficient to participate at the moment.

Dismissed.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I didn't pay enough attention to the things he promised he would do, but I just don't get where all the negative info is coming from.

There is not much he has actually done so far. Yes, I know things are bad globally with the war on terror and the econamy and the like, but these are problem he has inherited.

The issue with GM for one. I think he is handling that very well. They have 2 choices really. They either go it alone, in which they will go bust, losing jobs and dealing a crushing blow to the econamy, or he can offer to help them, be it with public funds or by allowing them to enter insolvency but continue to operate, which my not be popular, but is the best move he could make really.

The thing wth Gitmo is hardly his fault. Is there any wonder why nobody want to take these people back? It's filled with people who have been demonised (innocent or not) and if they can avoid it, there going to want to keep these people away.

If he does want to give public health care, then he should be praised! Just because people are poorer does not mean that we should not look after you. And it doesn't mean that private health care will disapper. There will still be places like that available to people and there is no assurance that public healthcare will be any different to private care.

Also, have we all forgotten that the war on terror was not actually about terror, but oil/world domination/power/finishing daddys work? Obama has every right to want to stop the war. He may have put it diplomatically, but he should have come out and said "Ok, the last guy was a d!ck, we invaded you for no reason, you attack us back, lets call it peace so no more troops come over and kill the inocennt and torture the ones they catch trying to defend there land that we invaded with no evidence of any threat". This is a place where we constanly say 9/11 was an inside job. If that is the case, then rumors of the thread from the middle east have been greatly exaggerated.

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Obama is not a rock star as they would lead you to believe over there in England. I feel and am starting to see his supporters think that, maybe he wasn’t such a good idea.

As far as Public Health care, The American Government can not properly run Social Security, CHIP, Medicaid, Medicare, and well the budget. What makes you think they will somehow be able to run A nation of 300Plus Millions healthcare? ( I would Regulate the Health Care Business and Place Money Caps on everything)


Gitmo Is not closed, he cant find anywhere else to send the detainees you think he is really going to close it? I see him extending his order.

Your right he isn’t George Bush, At least with Bush you knew what you were going to get, with Obama he changes his mind on policy day in and day out. He apologizes every time he is out of the country for Americas "Sins". Americans can not stomach there leader saying this country is bad, We have done more good then evil, and we try to atone for our sins.

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Do you really think we are going to save billions of dollars by the government managing our healthcare. I give them 5 years before they were spending twice as much as what private insurance did it for. The only thing that will happen when the government controls your healtcare is you will just pay for it through taxes and now if you miss your insurane payment they will be able to take all your property until you catch up on your payments. Sounds great!

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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He apologizes every time he is out of the country for Americas "Sins". Americans can not stomach there leader saying this country is bad, We have done more good then evil, and we try to atone for our sins.

But America HAS done a lot of stuff that you need to say sorry for. I'm not an anti-American, but if were going to sit here on this board and say that the Iraq war was injust, then you can't then start kicking up a fuss when the leader says sorry for starting this war.

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Maybe you should concern your self with your nations affairs before you look to America political downfalls. Obama is nothing as of yet, and the way its looking he will be a one hit wonder.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by NoHopeForSome

 

Maybe you should concern your self with your nations affairs before you look to America political downfalls. Obama is nothing as of yet, and the way its looking he will be a one hit wonder.

I voted on Thursday, thanks for asking.

As hard as I have tried to find credibility and leadership in this man,he lets me down consistantly.
I do not "view" him as the leader of the free world simply because he doesn't truly appear by his words or actions to have a grasp of any depth on the important decisions and situations that are affecting this country.
This country.

Instead to me,he appears to be MUCH more interested in "global diplomancy" and world finances (let's not even get into the war and potentials...a whole other problem IMO) and the statements he makes,the decisions he promotes,and the way he and and staff vascilate constantly really have made me annoyed.

There are HUGE and FAR REACHNG problems within the USA that have been there and are getting worse yet the ugliness of hunger,un-employment and poverty get colored with his broad-brush of "change and reform" as the numbers continue go UP on a monthly basis.

I see one of his main "roles" as the caretaker of the American People in that he has the right to make immediate and solid choices that would force this change in a timely fashion yet most of it is all0owed to get lost in political blabbing and "Bi-Partisan" BS.

He's not using his power wisely.He simply hasn't done enough "right."

Grandstand Buddy...do SOMETHING that we all can believe in will you???

One damn solid thing that is in OUR best interest and for OUR benefit!

He has a narrow- window of opportunity to make a TRUE mark as a leader and to reverse the down-hill spiral this country is on and I'm sorry to say,it's closing as I see it.


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