UCLA Prohibits Student from Saying 'Jesus' in Graduation Speech

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Look on the money. It says "In GOD we trust." This nation was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs...

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Originally posted by ragnarak
Not that I'm a big Jesus fan but she should be able to say it if she wants to. She should just say she won't, then read it anyways. What are they going to do? Rush up and tackle her secret service style? They can't prevent free speech.

Don't Tase me Bro!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Oatmeal
reply to post by Annee

 

Look on the money. It says "In GOD we trust." This nation was founded on Judeo Christian beliefs...

So, the money that you use today that says "In God we trust" was there when our founding fathers made it?

Or was it placed there during the civil war?

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War.

www.ustreas.gov...

Anyone could walk up on stage, trip and fall into the mic, use the Lords name in vain and its ok. No problem with that, but God forbid if someone uses Gods name in a thankful and respectful manner.

If you get offended when someone gives thanks to God, but then turn around and curse using that same name. Then you have real issues. I can not BELIEVE someone is so sissified. I would be ashamed of myself!

It totally floors me that the biggest sin we can commit in America, is offending someone.

I'm willing to bet these are the same people who cried as a child. When given candy, claimed the other child's piece was bigger, or they got two of them.

So you don't believe in God, big deal. This girl doesn't believe in evolution. She does get it crammed down her throat though. All through school, TV shows and the internet. She maintained her faith through that onslaught of brain washing and wants to thank her creator. She should have every right to do just that. Without people whining about it.

I say man up, grow a pair and get over it. Let the girl say her peace.

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The war of 1812 was an unusual conflict. Both sides claimed victory. The winner depends upon which history books or which country's schools you attended. Also, the war lasted well beyond 1812.

During 1814, Francis Scott Key (a.k.a. Frank) had an eventful September. "Traveling under a white flag, Key met with both an enemy general and admiral, recovered a war prisoner, became a war prisoner, watched a historical bombardment, lost a night's sleep, and wrote" what eventually became the American national anthem: The Star Spangled Banner. 1
The final stanza reads:

"And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the Star Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

In 1864, the words were shortened to "In God We Trust" and applied to a newly designed two-cent coin.

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How does that counter anything I said?

How does that show that this nation (in 1776) was founded on Jeudo-Christianity?

Or was it 50 years later that they decided to add the "In God We Trust" to our coins?

Or can you show a US coin prior to the Civil War that says "In God We Trust"?

The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

All one has to do is read the us treasury link I posted to find out.

If you haven't realized yet, 1864 is almost 100 years after 1776. Unless our founding fathers made it to the ripe old age of 120 years old, I doubt they were around then.

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Originally posted by Foxy Nutz

The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

I am/was well aware of the two cent coin that had "In God We Trust" on it.

However - what words did it replace? I don't think any - - as it was designed new.

I object to E Plurbis Unim - - being replace with "In God We Trust".

The fight continues to remove God from government coinage.

I'm not a religious person but I do not agree with this.
It goes against personal freedoms and speech.

I know some people will not be able to put aside their dis like/personal opinions for religion and Christians and that's sad because they can not simply see the bigger picture.

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www.creationists.org...

Research by David Barton, founder of Wallbuilders, Inc. exposes the alleged separation of church and state for the myth that it really is. The words separation of church and state don't appear in any official government documents authored by the founding fathers. This concept and these particular words were invented by an ACLU attorney named Leo Pfeffer in 1947 in the Supreme Court case of Everson versus Board of Education of Ewing Township. That liberal supreme court imposed it on the nation by a 5 to 4 vote. The ACLU and other anti-Christian organizations and individuals have used it to harass Christians with ever since. It is also used by evolutionists to try to keep a theistic explanation of origins out of the public schools. Many young people today are not aware of the fact that this concept is an ACLU invention, and that it is the extreme opposite of what our founding fathers actually intended. In other words, there is virtually no constitutional support whatsoever for it. Let's examine two of the most common myths about the founding fathers that most public school students are being taught today because of the history revisionists.

The ACLU was responsible for "inventing" the Separation of Church and State myth.

Originally posted by Oatmeal
The ACLU and other anti-Christian organizations and individuals have used it to harass Christians with ever since. It is also used by evolutionists to try to keep a theistic explanation of origins out of the public schools.

Could you please now give us the counter argument?

You know - the ones about non believers not wanting God forced on them?

I'm pretty sure UCLA would frown upon anyone thanking their imaginary friend. I would hope that my students would have outgrown that phase by the time they graduate.

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I like the sound of multi-cultural - - if you prefer multi-faith - - that's OK too.

....wow, you keep repeating yourself

a culture is most universally defined by it's faith.

Do you need someone to write that on a cracker and feed it to you?

The point everyone else is trying to make is that if it were a muslim woman up stage talking about "allah" it'd be no big deal and she'd be praised "look how brave she is"

but it's someone talking about Christ, so it's persecuting everyone else's beliefs.

So much for Schools promoting differences of ideas. Didn't we go through this whole argument once - a long time ago - with Michael Moore?

Notice how bleeding heart liberals are faster to turn on you and yours faster than anything as long as it makes them look passionate and concerned?

Originally posted by Fremd
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I like the sound of multi-cultural - - if you prefer multi-faith - - that's OK too.

The point everyone else is trying to make is that if it were a muslim woman up stage talking about "allah" it'd be no big deal and she'd be praised "look how brave she is"

Yeah - you just keep believing that.

I like the sound of multi-cultural - - which I stated in an early post - - as is the one you quoted an early post. If it seems repetitious - - its simply other posters who felt the need to re-post the original.

someone needs to tell our leader obama to stop talking about muslims, and religon,i mean that is if they realy wana seperate church and state.Heck i mean he talked about religon over and over in his "muslim world" speech,so i dont see a prob with someone saying thank u jesus.

I don't know what money has to do with the topic of this thread, but our coins still say E Pluribus Unum on them. One side says In God We Trust, and the other side says E Pluribus Unum.

I also don't know what religion has to do with the topic of this thread, it's not about religious freedom, it's about freedom of speech. The girl's not advocating religion, nor is she attempting to recruit people to her religion, as a matter of fact she is saying nothing at all about religion, she merely wants to thank Jesus. The mere fact of her thanking Jesus, doesn't even give anyone a clue as to what her religious beliefs are. Is she Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Jehova's witness, Lutheran, Born again Christian, Mormon, etc how can you tell just by the mention of Jesus ????? Many people believe in Jesus, but are not religious, just because a person believes in Jesus does not mean that they are religious.

It doesn't matter who she wants to thank. Whether she wishes to thank God, Buddah, Jesus, Lucifer, Thor, Athena, Hitler, Freddy Krueger, Michael Meyers (the boogeymen), or Batman is irrelevant. What is relevant here is the fact that we have freedom of speech in this country, it's her graduation, and she can thank whomever she damn well pleases.

In 1956, E Pluribus Unum was replaced by 'In God We Trust' (on paper money), and a number of other references to God were made legal practice (example the pledge of Allegiance was edited, along with IGWT minted on money).

How does it pertain to this discussion? Separation of Church & State.

Public schools are government - money is government

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Originally posted by Annee
In 1956, E Pluribus Unum was replaced by 'In God We Trust' (on paper money), and a number of other references to God were made legal practice (example the pledge of Allegiance was edited, along with IGWT minted on money).

How does it pertain to this discussion? Separation of Church & State.

Public schools are government - money is government

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Public schools are just that public we pay for them with our taxes. We the public are the goverment after all. This isn't a court room its a public gathering sepration of church and state was never ment to impede the 1st amendment.

Originally posted by DraconianKing
I'm pretty sure UCLA would frown upon anyone thanking their imaginary friend. I would hope that my students would have outgrown that phase by the time they graduate.

Oh yeah, because it's much more realistic to believe we came from a monkey or even walking fish. Enjoy your banana along with the other poster who wrote practically the same thing. I guess originality is not a quality for teachers like yourself.

Hell, it is more believable that we came from ancient astronauts than a monkey or even the entire evolution theory.

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How does it pertain to this discussion? Separation of Church & State.

That would be accurate if the thread topic were seperation of church & state, but it's not. The thread topic is freedom of speech.

Even if it was about seperation of church & state (which it's not) there is no mention of religion in her speech, Jesus is not a religion, it is the name of a person.

UCLA may be a state funded university, however it is not a public (government) school as the students are required to pay for their tuition and for their books, which has already been pointed out to you.

If this student thanks Jesus during her speech it in no way implies that UCLA is advocating, nor denouncing any religion, so there is no issue regarding the seperation of church & state.

The professor very clearly stated that the policy is not UCLA's policy, nor is it a school policy, it is solely a departmental policy. The professor is not even saying that it is a seperation of church & state matter, but rather that it may offend persons of different religions. A person's right to free speech can not be infringed upon simply because one word may offend someone.

The money issue defenitely doesn't pertain to this topic as money has absolutely no bearing on freedom of speech.

You are not carrying out a debate about the thread topic, as you are discussing another topic all together. You are now simply argueing simply for the sake of argueing.

Freedom of Speech is not 100% -- it is subjective.

Invoking your personal God in a government program - - is subjective.

A general god is one thing - - Jesus Christ is specific.

Separation of church and state.

Subjective - freedom of speech.