Overpopulation Makes No Sense!

I got the easiest way to fix the over population. Hands them all a box of rubbers. Thats just common sense. use rubbers, less children being born.

there I solved the problem.

Go look at how the bank works, and you'll understand that the people who OWN the banks MAKE the rules, and they can give themselves billions of dollars in bonuses.

I know how the banks work, but obviously you don't. If you did you wouldn't be going on about the old bankers own the world conspiracy. There's nothing about that bs that's true at all. It's a joke. The entire basis of the bankers conspiracy is that the Zionist Jews are behind it. Now if you want ill explain why thats simply ridiculous.

In the United States foods that are genetically modified don't need to have labels, so you have NO choice on what you put in your mouth. It's food experiments to test on the people because they are their guinea pigs.

Ok, let's get back to reality. Stop and think. Why would they want to conduct experiments and tests on people??? It doesn't make any sense, wait hang on one second, are all companies that manufacture genetically modified food all evil comic book villains trying control the world????? LMFAO

It's impossible for food products or any product for that matter to be sold to consumers without it being checked by officials, by government quarantine laws. It's not like the companies that create big bananas and big apples etc have ulterior motives like.....let's see if we can put secret illegal substances in our products....mwaahahahaaa. And why would you care even if was genetically modified? - it's still food. still healthy food as it was before.

And have you thought that maybe America isn't the world, that maybe in other countries food products might actually have labels on them. big shock, yeah i know.

And you are SO wrong in the part where you say: "The government controls the money flow." I suggest you research Rothschild family, Rockefeller family, and the Federal Reserve as a start.

You're living in a fantasy world. The Jews are not trying to take over the world. I've already gone through reading all about the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the Federal Reserve years back when i was gullible enough to accept this bs as reality. It's not. Grow up.

The government DOES NOT control the money flow. It's a handful of men. Yes, a handful of individuals, and this is not a conspiracy either. It's everywhere you just have to do your research which you clearly have not done.

Ok news flash, it is a conspiracy because one, it's stupid and two, if it wasn't a conspiracy it would be accepted as a reality by the world. I just love how gullible Americans are at accepting every single conspiracy out there. I'll let you on a little secret, every single conspiracy that's not accepted by society, by the world, has been started in America. Some how all the conspiracies in the world revolved around America - think about it - Aliens, NWO, Zionist Jews, Illuminati, 2012, nibiru and every other conspiracy you can think of always revolves around America because it's only the Americans that are stupid enough to believe them.

As the original post stated, we are not overpopulated as a planet. There are still millions or acres for people to live on. But it is not that simple, as simple math. And i want to address some of the other things stated off topic.
First: As a planet, it is not just the space we have that earth can support more people. You refer to China and India as examples. But you don't state the number of people starving, homeless etc. in these countries. You read in the news lately that these two countries are the most industrious nations in the world too. But that is only cause they are behind and trying to catch up. They have a long ways to go to improve their countries. And with China there is no real true way to find any numbers, we can only estimate. Also, the "new" china is a false and govt fabricated economy. The govt gives/pays people to have franchises, businesses. But the govt still owns them and controls the people that have them. Another example is look at china, how it is NOT coping with their manufacturing waste, their polution of their waters and how many people are moving from the rural areas to cities to try to survive. With a population that large, you would think that the rural farms and living would be the ones making a better and more finacial living. But they are not, because it is STILL a communist country.
Genetically modified foods. There is NOTHING good about this at all. Other than making them resistent to some insects, what do you really know about them? Do you think Monostat (sp) is going to release their findings properly? I watched an interview with 2 reporters the other day from Fox(yeah yeah i dont like fox either) and the story they were doing on an injection in dairy cows to produce more milk. They had passed it already thru the FDA in the USA. but canada wanted more studies done. It ended up the reporters finally getting fired cause they were not going to change the story. And in fact this company did not do good research, paid grants to the universities that were doing some research( not going to bite the hand that feeds). my point is this, Without 40 years of testing and research, you will never know what GMF are going to do to harm you and the enviroment. For each "new" seed produced you are distroying and changing the enviroment and biology.
For each new change, you are making insects etc having to adapt and change. to where eventually biology will win. then what?
Do not mess with GOD. Yes I am spiritual and religious, and everything was created for a reason. when you change the inviroment you change everything in the food chain.
And now about the "who controls everything". For the guy that said he knows everything about the world banking system. Please stop saying we are idiots and dont know how the banking system works. You sound like a plant ( meaning you are here only to debunk, but no proof given) The world is controled by a central banking system. PERIOD. The president of the usa , or the prime minister of austraila can go to their respective governing bodies and ask for loans to cover shortfalls. But if the world central bank says NO, then you dont get it. The USA is bypassing this. They are borrowing money from China, India, etc and what will happen when they can not pay? think about it. Please just stop and think about it. There is a group that Controls how the worlds is run. The NWO is real. But the earth was created and controled by GOD. We need to stop this nonsense by the NWO before HE reeks havoc on us all. and it is HE that is trying to control the worlds population with the help of Mother nature. So when you see a natural disaster think this. Why there? why did God do this to these people?

Very good thread. I also heard the planet itself grows even more the more populated it gets which makes for an interesting subject.

I totally agree with the OP 100%

Totally agree with the OP on this. It's the scaremongers who obviously have an agenda and I'm not talking about the elites / NWO, its the wolves in sheeps clothing who try to enforce a depopulation on the masses. Ever hear the UN complain about over population lately? No, infact its the so called 'awake' here lounge on these boards who always push this agenda.

reply to post by andre18


I could debunk each and everyone of your points, but you're so badly informed and so "what I say is reality" that I won't even bother.

Your posts are full of lies.

Yes, the elites control money. And money controls the majority of the population. Almost everyone on these forums knows this. It's not a belief system, it's an observable reality.

Go do your homework again, as you clearly have not put enough effort. You won't debunk a complex issue like overpopulation when you can't wrap your mind around the simplest of conspiracies, which is the FED and fractional reserve banking.

Sorry to be rude, but people like you really wind up my clock the wrong way.

As has been stated many times in this thread, population isn't as simple as 'how many people can physically fit on the planet'. We need vast swathes of wilderness to sustain oxygen levels, the delicate ecosystem and... let's face it... somewhere for the disillusioned to escape to once in a while.

Another point to make is that each country should have the ability for self-sufficiency. Example: Britain is not self-sufficient and cannot be until the population is at least halved. I propose that birthrates would come to a natural halt if we kept a check on immigration, because as it is, groups can breed beyond their borders. If migration wasn't so easy, people would be forced to limit their population based upon their immediate surroundings.

Overpopulation is one thing (perhaps the only thing) where I actually disagree with the anti-NWO'ers. I don't believe it is in the NWO's interests to limit the human population. In fact, I think they encourage overpopulation through their promotion of the 'global community'.

I will say one thing about overpopulation and it's proponents, if they took themselves literally and kindly killed themselves we would quickly not have any problem, not so much because our numbers would go down greatly but more because there would not be any fools talking about it.

As it is who honestly thinks they have the right to call for the death or even the steralization of another human being? Even asking them to have small families is highly abusive? Why? Because we live under a universal principle of coexistance:

Your free as long as your freedom does not limit the freedom of others.

Whenever we forget this basic principle, and principles are worth far more than laws my friends, our entire civilization goes down the crapper.

the fact is humans have no right to produce a child when it cannot be supported, requiring others to insure its survival. There isn't a problem with overpopulation, it is a problem with how we understand how to live.

Yes, the elites control money.

And who are these elites? The jews?

Originally posted by andre18

Yes, the elites control money.

And who are these elites? The jews?

Some of them are, but it would be foolish to think they are actually jewish.

reply to post by andre18


Why the fixation on a label? It dosen't matter. They are people who have controlling interest in corporations, be it financial be it other sectors. Yes, some, very few, jews. But also aristocracy from many nations, all networked and with family relations. It's not a national, or a religious or even a race thing.

At the top it's a family and friends structure. You get your best clues with the attendance list of the bilderberg meetings, where a few of these people show up, but I don't expect it to end there.

Exactly who they are we don't fully know, because not being elitists we're not in the network, are we? But from their footprint we can have a good idea of their weight, direction and speed...

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Overpopulation...get out of here..

Oh, and you think that some let's say 30 billions more people who will abuse this planet, abuse nature and each other -- will be great?

Do yourself a favor and get your bottom off the ATS and unplug yourself from the computer and travel to India.

And to Africa.

And see for yourself.

See all those people who live under conditions that you won't even offer to a dog.

Not enough food.

Not enough water.

Not enough medicine.

Human life is being p*ssed on.

Children are being p*ssed on.

So, then if you will still consider that -- yaay! -- bringing some 30 billions more people will be great...


...well, no my dear friend.

That won't be great at all.



So all of you people here who shout OVERPOPULATION IS GREAT AND THERE IS ENOUGH PLACE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!! - please get your bottoms off the Net, unplug yourselves from the computers and travel to 3rd world countries.

See for yourselves.


And when you come back from your research, let me hear if you still think that overpopulation is so great as you claim it to be.

This is my final note on this subject.



Peace,
Mulder









[edit on 1-6-2009 by Spooky Fox Mulder]

reply to post by uncommon-sense


uncommon-sense gets one of my very rarely given stars for hitting the nail right on the head and presenting actual informed logic.

Here's some other points in a nutshell:

Just because we can house X number of people on Y square meters of land doesn't mean we should. Theres land that has to be used to produce food, theres land that has to be used to manufacture items, etc, there's land tha thas to be used to roads and infrastructure, non habitat buildings, etc.

then lets take into account how much land we have that you can actually live in, and also grow things in. that 57 million starts getting whittled down really quick.

Then lets consider whole ecosystems needed just to regulate the environment and so on

read up on things like urban heat domes and you can start to see what freaky things mass groups of people start doing to the environment simply by being there.

When I was taking Sociology 101, we learned an interesting fact, that there are more people per square mile in Holland and England, than India and Brazil. We were also asked to rate them in terms of wealth and distribution of resources. Fact, most western countries are replacing children at well below maintenance of populations. Fact, developed countries with equality for women, medicare and higher standards of living dont increase in large numbers, but often decrease. Fact, many elitist leaders of the first world and their corporate buddies are responsible for the lack of conditions and freedoms to be found in countries all over the world.

30 billion, that would be a crime all right, orchestrated and played by the elite slave masters. This has nothing to do with people having children. Overhaul the system and create equality, development and well cared for people everywhere, and use clean technology and people freely without any big brother breathing down their necks, reduce the worlds population on their own.

Originally posted by zeineguy48
First: As a planet, it is not just the space we have that earth can support more people. You refer to China and India as examples. But you don't state the number of people starving, homeless etc. in these countries. You read in the news lately that these two countries are the most industrious nations in the world too. But that is only cause they are behind and trying to catch up. They have a long ways to go to improve their countries. And with China there is no real true way to find any numbers, we can only estimate. Also, the "new" china is a false and govt fabricated economy. The govt gives/pays people to have franchises, businesses. But the govt still owns them and controls the people that have them.

These are good and very neglected points. Much of Asia has suffered from a combination of poor governance and overpopulation. Based on how the economies were structured there were too many mouths to feed. Extreme poverty, starvation, deprivation, early death, have been a way of life for
at least a third of the world's population.

Change is coming slowly, but there's still a long way to go. Keeping the population from growing out of control when there aren't enough food and resources available in these countries seems a necessary step right now.


Mike

reply to post by uncommon-sense


Bravo my friend. Your name actually says it all. There is common sense. However, there is an uncommon sense that few have. You have it. Very well thought out response. You do not advocate population reduction like many of the 'NWO' conspiracy theories do. But you still address the most important points refutting the OP.

Do we still have room for a growing population? Sure. Can we keep it up and expect things to continue to go well? No. Something will need to happen to stem the growth. I agree with that. It needs to be done wisely.

Wow, I almost sound like I am backing the NWO conspiracy! hehe

Exactly who they are we don't fully know,

Yeah that really helps.....you claim these elitests are real but you don't know who they are. hmm yeah i'm really convinced now

Originally posted by Eight
I agree,we have a lot of land in the US that is untouched,all it needs is the infrastructure.

And where will that infrastructure come from?

Who will pay for it?

Large portions of that land you mentioned is privately owned. Going to force the owners of it to give it up through eminent domain?

People who think overpopulation is just an evil scheme by the illuminate must not pay attention to ecology, or for that matter hunting.

Herds need to be culled, whether they are human or animal.

Take my home state of Wisconsin for example...

WI is overrun with deer. More deer results in more deer starving to death during winter due to lack of food and an ecosystem that can support the deer population.

Every year a certain number of hunting permits are issued to bring that deer population down to a manageable level. A culling of the herd.....

People will say I cannot compare deer to humans. Well yes I can, the problem is the same: Overpopulation.