Snuff films

I read a book last year by David Race Bannon 'Race against Evil', he was an Interpol hit man that 'cleaned' some of these child porn snuff traffickers that were using global loopholes to sell their wares.

He stated even with all they were doing to stop these evil evil things, the black market is just getting bigger. If you want proof the internet is loaded with this crap (I haven't looked) but you know, if there is a will there is a way. There are many more people looking for darker hits when it comes to perversion and sadism, it is starting to become mainstream. Elite pressure is starting to spill over into Psychology as there is a movement to legitimize pedophilia (I'm sure there people are being paid well)

Here’s Bannons book

Amazon Link

On the subject of serial killers, there is allot of evidence to suggest that that is in fact a myth. That the lone serial killer is a created myth to hide these sorts of atrocities and to scare the hell out of the population


David McGowan has written a really powerful book on the subject called Programmed to Kill:The Politics of Serial Murder

Product Description:
The specter of the marauding serial killer has become a relatively common feature on the American landscape. Reactions to these modern-day monsters range from revulsion to morbid fascination--fascination that is either fed by, or a product of, the saturation coverage provided by print and broadcast media, along with a dizzying array of books, documentary films, websites, and "Movies of the Week".

The prevalence in Western culture of images of serial killers (and mass murderers) has created in the public mind a consensus view of what a serial killer is. Most people are aware, to some degree, of the classic serial killer 'profile.' But what if there is a much different 'profile'--one that has not received much media attention?

In Programmed to Kill, acclaimed and always controversial author David McGowan takes a fresh look at the lives of many of America's most notorious accused murderers, focusing on the largely hidden patterns that suggest that there may be more to the average serial killer story than meets the eye.

Think you know everything there is to know about serial killers? Or is it possible that sometimes what everyone 'knows' to be true isn't really true at all?

Earlier in this thread someone, sorry I can't remember who, stated that snuff films are legal in Mexico, which got me thinking. How could it be legal anyhwere? Like does the girl they are planning to murder agree to be murdered, or do they simply grab a girl and murder her? If the girl does not agree to be murdered and she is just grabbed, how is that legal, how is that not evidence of murder, kindapping, and rape? Well I did a little search on snuff in mexico and came up with this link. I'll paste a little of the article in my post, and if you want to you can go to the link, theres no gory pictures or anything like that.

It is not personal opinion, but fact that thousands of women in Guatemala and Mexico have been raped and murderded. The “body count” in Guatemala is now 1500.

I pray that this website is a hoax, because this is just disgusting.

US citizens are not immune to being the victims of snuff films. This writer has had years of personal contact with people involved in the snuff film industry and its money laundering schemes. They have repeatedly attempted to make me a party to their activities. I am very familiar with the Yogurt Shop Murders. These murders occurred on December 6, 1991, in North Austin, Texas. The Yogurt Shop Murders were a snuff film.

Four exceptionally attractive teenage girls were raped, tortured, mutialted and murdered. Instead of fleeing the scene of the crime, the killers were in the store for nearly an hour. A snuff film of this event would command an exceptional price!

Heres a link to the Yogurt Shop Murders.
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I used to work nights at a company that employed some extremely unsavory characters, mostly 2-strike convicts. When these people got bored they would come into the office and make use of the extra computer. I quickly learned not to take an interest in whatever they might be saying for me to come check out.
There is a lot of bizarre violent and sexual content online, much of it illegal, and somehow a handfull of freaks just know how to find it. One time when i didn't know better than to not go see what the guys were carrying on about I saw a glimpse of what I believe was a real snuff film.

What I observed in the 30 seconds before I became so thoroughly disgusted that I couldn't even look at the men who showed it to me as a woman of no particular sex appeal, bound to stake of some kind, and gagged and seeming looking very genuinely horrified and agonized while being abused in a manner I will not describe explicitly, but which most certainly would have killed her after any length of time.

EDIT: PS, has anybody here ever seen Boondock's Saints? This is one of those issues that really cries out for vigilantism. There's not exactly a moral or legal ambiguity here.

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Unless a snuff film has to be a sex movie, there has been much made over the first "beheading video" of Nick Berg, which was in May of 2004.......That is, if it was real, not just faked. Same goes for the ones that followed.

Then following that, as you all probably know now, were the 6 or 7 other beheadings of americans in Iraq, which were put on video and circled the Internet. I guess they are still there, most of the copies, but when people started to lose interest and be less shocked, they seem to have stopped.

I just ran across this thread, and although I find the subject repulsive, I also find it somewhat interesting. What I just wrote, the beheadings, I have wondered to myself several times that if they really are real, are they Snuff Films?

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Its not really any different then slitting the throat of a cow. A cow is a mammal, we are mammels. The only thing different from us and animals is imagination. Imagination = "Intelligence".

I've seen a few video clips, the Russian one, security cameras showing people murdered in the street, (they mostly just walk up on them with a gun and go BOOM in the head) I would never watch a rape video though. That is a little past my boundries. My g/f told me once that she was almost raped. That is the 1 thing in this world I cannot stand. I want to find the guy, and get a big black friend to rape him. I'd video tape it, then spread it all over his city, not for profit, just to crush him.

It doesnt really bother me, probably because it isnt on my doorstep. But I know if this ever happened to a family member or friend. The guilty would reap it. I'd go vigilante easily.


"ManHunt" - Xbox, You are actually making a snuff film.

HERE COME THE FLAMES.

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The definition of Snuff film posted by El_Topo is as accurate as you will get. All the talk of Nick Berg's death, Faces of Death movies, Cannibal Holocaust/Ferox, the Execution series of videos is incorrect, they are simply faked or exploitation films using actual deaths accidentally caught on videotape.

Anyone who THINKS they have seen a snuff film, has not. Anyone who KNOWS they have seen a snuff film STILL probably has not. If people (and that is a big IF) see an atrocious act against a person on a tape they have purchased or borrowed from a friend, then think about it, would a tape advertising a murder (with documented locations and/or voices and individuals) be that easily available? Of course not.

The fact is that film is an unreliable medium, effects today (and for many years previously) and clever use of camera angles fool the viewer into thinking they are seeing something they are not. Several years ago, the actor Christian Slater gained access to a tape that he believed to be a snuff movie, he took it to the FBI and they too believed it to be genuine. On further examination it turned out to be an entry into the 'Guinea Pig' series of films made in Japan, and although disturbing and graphic, certainly not snuff.

The key to knowing if it is close to being a snuff movie is looking at the way the movie is filmed. Cuts, use of camera angles or multiple cameras or ANY kind of editing indicate production values, and i doubt that many people making a snuff movie would have that, do you?

Check out the book 'Killing for Culture' by David Kerekes and David Slater for the lowdown on supposed snuff movies.

There are reaL. Go ask the russian mafia.

Their are plenty of clips and movies showing people being killed, but i wouldnt consider this snuff this is jsut recording someone being killed for some other reason. To me a snuff film is when the person is killed delibrately and soley for the recording and these are what snuff really are.
It is very hard to find one of these, there are plenty of fake ones (mostly japanese). I have never seen a real snuff but i would say that they would be "VERY RARE" and wouldnt be avalible over the net. It would be in some old mans private collection just like in 8mm.

Originally posted by BasementAddix
Of course thers real snuff films...think of it like this...whatever you cant believe a person can do...has been done...

allow me to add that, whatever you can't believe a person can do...has been done and there's a fetish society out there with a monthly magazine and videos for sale on their website.

i saw a show about a black lady that got paid 10 grand for a fake snuff film where she would be shot in the back of the head at the end of the sex session.....she brought a off-duty police officer with her in case the person was going to shoot her for real....

i'd certainly do one of these movies for 10 grand...probably even 1 grand...as long as it is fake it is not a big deal....people don't need to watch this or anything else they deem objectionable

As horrifying and disgusting and disturbing as it may be.....Yes....there are real sexual snuff films! They sell for as much as half a million dollars...a if you could put a price on life. There are people out there that are totally sick and twisted....I'll leave this thread now....just too despicable. I can't even understand why anyone would have those terrible films of people being killed, mauled, and tortured. Why would anyone want to see such crap!

Originally posted by LadyV
As horrifying and disgusting and disturbing as it may be.....Yes....there are real sexual snuff films! They sell for as much as half a million dollars...a if you could put a price on life. There are people out there that are totally sick and twisted....I'll leave this thread now....just too despicable.

I can't even understand why anyone would have those terrible films of people being killed, mauled, and tortured. Why would anyone want to see such crap!

Why Lady V? Because all life/universe exists in duality. Balance. For every kind soul that reaches to help and nurture humanity there is one who seeks to do the opposite. You can not define "good/right" without defining "evil/wrong".... but I'm sure you know this already.

why are people calling these videos evil and wrong...the people doing the video simply have a different viewpoint than most people in the world..if some man or woman wants to get killed while having sex that is their choice....it is just clearing out some of the wackos but also allowing them the freedom to express themselves....it is a win win situation for everyone else

I happen to agree with you. I was simply answering Lady V's "why"... I'm sure her "why" was rhetorical though.

Originally posted by Yeticha
why are people calling these videos evil and wrong...the people doing the video simply have a different viewpoint than most people in the world..if some man or woman wants to get killed while having sex that is their choice....it is just clearing out some of the wackos but also allowing them the freedom to express themselves....it is a win win situation for everyone else

if the stories are true, the people killed in the videos are often unsuspecting until the end. I think the proper term is murder.

I could never understand the love of movies like this or the "Faces of Death" movies. I have seen enough death and bloodshed and suffering to last me a thousand lifetimes, the last thing I want to do is snuggle up with my wife on the couch, pop some pop corn and watch some poor bastard crying in a pile of his intestines, or burning to death, or being shot, etc.

I see it enough in my dreams

they know what is going to happen.....even if they are drugged and forced into this, they obviously were living a dangerous life to be around these sorts of people in the first place...it's all their fault...don't fault the killers!! they are just playing out their fantasies

Originally posted by SunChaser
The definition of Snuff film posted by El_Topo is as accurate as you will get. (snip)

Very good post and thanks for the support Sunchaser.

To re-iterate and clarify some points I made earlier (and several months ago!) in this thread:
Those claiming to have seen an actual snuff film have not. I work in the fringes of the film industry, as a critic for horror/exploitation/adult films. I see a lot things that most people would prefer to think didn't exist and I get a lot of screeners for films that make me want to scrub out the inside of my DVD player.
Despite the ever increasing brutality of the films, the one thing they have in common is that they are all 100% fake. Companies like WAVE Productions (link is worksafe) produce snuff themed adult features. They are a tame example, other companies produce rape, torture, and necrophilia theme titles as well. There are films such as August Underground, the aforementioned Guinea Pig series, and Psycho: Snuff Reels to name a few that would appear very real and disturbing to the average person. That is their goal. Its a marketing tool, like the Blair Witch Project's assertion that it was "found footage".

I still however believe that "snuff films" as I defined them earlier (films of murder made with the intention of distributing them for profit) exist in the world and more specifically in the USA today. As several ATSers have pointed out, both a market and a means exist. Whoever I stick to my claim that there is a high unlikelyhood that anyone has "stumbled upon" one, on the internet or otherwise. An actual snuff film would be so valuable and rare that it wouldn't be floating around anywhere. Like in the film 8MM, you would have to immerse yourself very deeply in a network of unsavory characters before you'd even be able to come across someone willing to give you information about a legit snuff film.

To address the issue as to why someone would be interested in such an item as those I've mentioned, so-called death films (called Mondo films by people like me ), and various other horrible things, I leave you with this:

Did you ever notice when there is a wreck on the side of the road, all the cars slow down and look? Do you think they are all checking to see if they need to help? Morbid curiosity is unfortunately a very human trait, just like lust, gluttony, and assorted other vices. Some in our society take their addiction for the morbid too far, just as the junkie takes his addiction too far.

Faces of Death and the like are called Shockumentary's. They aren't true snuff films. A true snuff film is one with a thinly laid out plot, with the aim of torturing and murdering one or more people in cold blood to film on camera for pure entertainment. The people that make REAL snuff films need to be strung from a clothesline by their b### & left for the vultures.

Personally I've never seen a real snuff film and I'm not particularly interested in TRYING to see one, but there are plenty of videos you can download on p2p networks of executions, beheadings, self mutilation, rape and every other disgusting, despicable act humans are capable of inflicting on each other. Ogrish.com most likely has a few (that site makes ------------------------- look like a kiddy site).

But anyway, yeah, REAL snuff films are most likely real, but they won't be mass distributed. They most likely would be "made on demmand" sort of deals for one or two "clients", taped onto unlabelled cd's, dvd's or vhs cassettes...no "this is a snuff film" emblazoned in big bold letters on the cover, complete with website & contact details. I'm sure the "film producer" would be smarter than that.

Its not really any different then slitting the throat of a cow. A cow is a mammal, we are mammels. The only thing different from us and animals is imagination. Imagination = "Intelligence".

I've seen a few video clips, the Russian one, security cameras showing people murdered in the street, (they mostly just walk up on them with a gun and go BOOM in the head) I would never watch a rape video though. That is a little past my boundries. My g/f told me once that she was almost raped. That is the 1 thing in this world I cannot stand. I want to find the guy, and get a big black friend to rape him. I'd video tape it, then spread it all over his city, not for profit, just to crush him.

would you give your big black friend some of your gobblinpics as payment for the rape???



to all the others: read about the definition of snuff before you post your crap.






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