Snuff films

Ok, this is a really weird topic coming from me, but it is conspiracy related.

Recently (about 4 months ago) I heard an interview on WLS (wlsam.com... ) with someone who claimed she had been part of a snuff film where they failed to kill her.

Needless to say, I found this extreamly disturbing. Is there any evidence that these films actually exist? I saw that flick with Nick Cage about it, but that was fiction. It was a little while after seeing this film that I heard this interview. Is there any evidence to show that these films exist? I...I just can't believe films would be made where someone kills another person for sexual gratification and the Feds aren't all over them. Well, I don't want to believe. Could it be, or is it true? I pray it is not and this thread will turn into a bunch of drivel...But the realistic part of me thinks that people are capable of doing something like this...

Not a subject that I really want to look into deeply, but yes I think every sick thing you can think of on film is out there.

Then again there's many so called mainstream films where people die in accidents while making the films - who knows maybe they weren't all accidents.

I know they have fake snuff films.
A pornstar named Melissa Ashley was on a website where they pretended to hang her or something.

Can't remember the exact details.

Of course thers real snuff films...think of it like this...whatever you cant believe a person can do...has been done...

snuff films are believed to be urban legends, but then again, there are some pretty sick people out there, so i wouldn't doubt it there truly are snuff films.

It's weird that this topic is up right now because I was told something last night that I just find hard to believe. I was told that the "scenes" flashed in the movie when people visit fear.com (in the movie Fear.com) are real scenes from real snuff films.

Is this right?

Yes, these films exist. Let's not be foolish. Humans are filthy, disgusting creatures with an insatiable desire to 'get their jollies off'. Hell, just check Ocelot's thread about missing children. Would it surprise you if many of those children were used for these purposes? It wouldn't surprise me, and it shouldn't surprise you. Humanity is hopeless. ::spits::

There's an interesting book on the subject called "Gods Of Death" by Yaron Svoray (easily available on Amazon). Svoray is an ex-Israeli agent (if I remember correctly; it been a few years since I read it) turned journalist/author. It chronicles his worldwide search to find & purchase a legit snuff film.
I don't feel like writing a whole synopsis/review of it, so here's one of the better ones off of Amazon...

Admittedly reads more like a potboiler thriller at times, and I strongly suspect it was written with the big screen in mind - understandable, since much of the book is comprised of the author's financial concerns & what his obsession with finding out the truth behind snuff films drives him to do and spend, both monetarily and emotionally.
When his investigation came to end, the author had a problem (another reviewer already gives away the ending, so I don't think I'm divulging any secrets): he hadn't managed to come up with the goods - he'd finally gotten his hands on a tape, but it was stolen from him while he was detained in a Serbian police station. So what do you do? His answer is to make a book out of the subjective experience of hunting down the truth - what he goes through, how it affects his family life, his psychological state, the potentially life-threatening situations he encounters, the characters he meets & how he gets on with them. This makes some sense, because the reader wants to understand the mental and moral state of people who could actually make, enjoy, or be in any way involved with these films, as well as what effects such images have on 'normal' people - as Svoray says, once you've seen them, there's no going back. Unfortunately Svoray doesn't have the psychological insight to make much of this (a much better example of real insight into monstrosity and evil is Christopher Browning's "Ordinary Men," which looks at a single battallion in Poland as a case study to understand how so many people could have committed the Holocaust) - great credit to him for his investigative skills, but his constant efforts at casting himself as moral judge disallow him from genuine understanding, and his portraits come straight from stock characters from standard thrillers. This problem potentially undermines the book's veracity, but one can also argue that he merely understands these people on the same terms borrowed from Hollywood, or that his co-writer (a screenwriter) compressed his character portraits to make for a fast read.
The book is a very quick read and compelling at times, and the reader must admire the author's bravado. So, in the end, does his claim to have seen real snuff films stand up? What proof does he offer? Here's something: he claims to have set up a viewing for the actor Robert De Niro and a friend of De Niro's; he recounts a conversation between the two men in which they say they believed the film was real; and De Niro's press agent has confirmed the viewing. So, while Svoray couldn't come up with any hard evidence, the De Niro story is pretty convincing that such films do in fact exist, and that there is indeed pure evil (in Svoray's terms) in the world.

Well, kinda. The reason it would surprise me is that first, you'd have to have these sick &#$$s who are willing to kill someone for sexual pleasure. But we know those people exist, look at violent rape. However, we now also have to have a camera man who is willing to watch this. Ok, possible, but how do they meet and bring this up? This would lower the probability, at least in my mind.

Ok, now we have the film. If that Nick Cage film is to be believed, there would be underground porn shops selling these illegal films along with child porn, mutilation rape, etc. There would be a community who is aware of this, and somehow finds out about this porn shop. And no one who goes in there would report some kind of snuff film. The probability in my mind keep getting lower and lower for it to be a viable thing. That's why it would surprise me.

Yes, they do in fact exist, but I would not suggest that your curiosity get the better of you as they are probably illegal in some way.

Originally posted by Jonna
Yes, they do in fact exist, but I would not suggest that your curiosity get the better of you as they are probably illegal in some way.

I won't watch faces of death, and have left a party because a friend of mine put it on. There is no chance I'll ever watch, or even try to find, snuff films.

Snuff Films are probably real and exist. I cant think of any better way to bribe and control big politicians and corporate figures.

Whether or not snuff films exist or have ever existed largely depends upon what your definition of a "Snuff Film" is.
If a video of a legit murder is made specifically for profit to be sold (a la 9mm), I would say that the probabilty of this is low if existent at all. However it would not surprise me at all if videos have been made by certain serial killers as a personal record. (Jeffrey Dahmer DID take polaroids...)
As far as being able to purchase them via some underground porno market...pure BS.

Originally posted by Homer Jay
What proof does he offer? Here's something: he claims to have set up a viewing for the actor Robert De Niro and a friend of De Niro's; he recounts a conversation between the two men in which they say they believed the film was real; and De Niro's press agent has confirmed the viewing. So, while Svoray couldn't come up with any hard evidence, the De Niro story is pretty convincing that such films do in fact exist, and that there is indeed pure evil (in Svoray's terms) in the world.

Strange. I ran a search on google and came up with this link: www.geocities.com...

Is Film Fan De Niro Really Up to Snuff?
August 23, 1997
De Niro displayed little more than detached curiosity about pornographers who kill when he viewed a grisly movie in Paris in 1995, investigative reporter Yaron Svoray contends in his forthcoming Simon & Schuster book, "Gods of Death."

Svoray, who went undercover to expose the snuff trade, writes that De Niro asked him to arrange a screening of one of the gruesome videos because the actor was having trouble with a script that dealt with the subject.

I have De Niro's autograph. I'll never be able to look at him the same way.

Originally posted by Homer Jay
Whether or not snuff films exist or have ever existed largely depends upon what your definition of a "Snuff Film" is.
If a video of a legit murder is made specifically for profit to be sold (a la 9mm), I would say that the probabilty of this is low if existent at all. However it would not surprise me at all if videos have been made by certain serial killers as a personal record. (Jeffrey Dahmer DID take polaroids...)
As far as being able to purchase them via some underground porno market...pure BS.

I fully agree. I doubt profit is the motive for any snuff films in existance, but I do believe in them. Serial killer Charles Ng made them that I know of, but I'm sure others did. I wholehearted believe that no "market" for commercial murder films exists though.

Originally posted by el_topo
I wholehearted believe that no "market" for commercial murder films exists though.

This I would have to disagree with, because of the success of Faces of Death. They've made what, 4,892 of em?

Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by el_topo
I wholehearted believe that no "market" for commercial murder films exists though.

This I would have to disagree with, because of the success of Faces of Death. They've made what, 4,892 of em?

I meant "market" as a network of buying, selling, and producing the films. Without a doubt the "market", people willing to look at that sort of thing, would definately be there.

If there were "entertainment" snuff films that were commercially viable they would be online, much like rape & childporn websites and the like.

No doubt real serial killers do record their work. Ian Brady and Myra Hindley tape recorded several hours of screaming whilst they murdered children. (It was those recordings that when played in court led the pair of them to be internationally condemned as the most evil people to live). So in this regards, there is already documented proof of snuff.

There are plenty of killing and accident websites. The most famous perhaps is Rotten.com (CAUTION!! very disturbing)

But in a commercial sense I don't believe there could be an enterprise involved in murdering people for entertainment value. Why commit a serious crime like that then distribute the evidence? I'm sure anyone making recordings like this are going to keep them close.

But perhaps, one day, a serial killer with a video camera might just slip up and his home movies make their way onto the internet.

I saw the film 8mm a few years ago (I am 16 now).
I knew about "snuff films" before I watched the film, so I was pretty supprised to see a film about it.

But I do know, real snuff films do indeed exist. You just have to search the Internet and you will be supprised how much stuff you will find.

Years ago now I did a project on the history of horror films, and just searching the Internet brought up so much stuff on snuff movies (as it's classed under horror).

I wouldn't be supprised if these days, the only *real* films are sold on the Internet - and that's all. As via the Internet you are anonymous (within reason).

Humans are indeed sick people, I don't think there is much good about us - I mean just look at the state of the planet now, and you will see what I mean.

Bangin is right about the missing children cases - or any missing people actually, there is just so many un-solved cases, never found missing people a year. Either they are lost in the oceans, down caves, whisked away by extraterrestrials or captured for sick reasons such as those including snuff movies.

I also wouldn't be supprised if people volunteered to be killed in a snuff movie - I expect many of you have heard about the many cases of caniballism within death metal music bands, and of vampire tribes - where people volunteer OVER THE INTERNET to meet up, and be killed.

So to the question wether it is probable to film a snuff movie, I think the answer, is sadly, yes.

i used to have Snuff films on my computer but deleted it becuz i couldnt beleive they were on my HD when i'd try to go to sleep at night

you can download a ton off of Kazaa, just type in 'snuff'


i had one of a sicko executing a poor blonde woman that was crying her eyes out, he shot her with what looked like a 38 revolver

Also 2 russian terrorists killing hostages in the russian forrests, it showed one of the hostages get stabbed in the neck with a knife that looked like Rambo's


Its disturbing man, really is