Snuff films

Originally posted by Spica

Originally posted by Pisky
Some years ago (I think it was early 80's) my brother appeared with some horror videos he had borrowed. Most were just copies of existig movies (original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, American Werewolf etc). There was one cannibal one (either Ferox or Holcaust - they're the only names I remember) which looked very real. I remember saying then that I thought it was a snuff film. For years it was believed to be one, but recently it was debunked.

Yes, I believe they exist. If you realise that 'Faces of Death' and the 'Executions' movies are legal, you can imagine the depth of depravity some people will sink to in order to turn a profit.

I think the movie you are talking about was called blood sucking freaks.. about a guy who ran a thing called the theatre macarbe, and he drilled into peoples heads in front of an audience, and cut off a ballerinas feet with a hacksaw etc, and in the end he was thrown in teh cage with all the women he held captived, the people who went to see his shows thought it was all illusion but he was really doing it..
(well in the movie he was really doing it at least) i am sure thast what it was called, blood sucking freaks..

He's actually referring to Cannibal Holocaust, which does feature real animal killings (no FX). Due to the fact that it features shaky camcorder footage (think the Blair Witch Project) in scenes, people believed the human violence was as real as the animal violence.

About the German guy last year/early this year who was convicted of meeting another on the net for just such an encounter....????

Who is sicker? The person who kills to get their jollies?
Or the person who dies to get their jollies?

There will never be a mainstream for such films. Think of it, how many people would choose to die before payday????????

G

You guys want to know the pinical of human society? Here's a snuff film. This one wasn't made for monetary gain, however. This one was made to make a political point. These wretched wastes of carbon based atoms put this on thier sick, worhtless webpage because the person they killed was an American, and, from what I've heard, a Jew.

DO NOT VIEW! I haven't seen it, and refuse to. If it's a parody, or some sick twisting of what happened, I appologize. I will not watch it. I clicked on the link, got windows media player, and closed it the second it came up. Please, someone U2U me if it's not what I think it is, because I will not watch such an attrocity. The note on the website:

Note: Original video is like 5 minutes long. Most of it is of those hidden-faced COWARDS talking #. We edited out a few minutes of the talking bull# to reduce the file size. Yes, it sucks to see this #. And yeah, some hippies think we're assholes for showing it- but THE TRUTH MUST BE SEEN! It's not like we're actually psyched to show this crap. But we must. And we do. Don't like it? Change the #in' Bangedup channel, bitch

If any mod wants me to remove the foul language from that quote, please PM me, I haven't been following ATS except for news too closely.

In case you haven't guessed already, this is the murder of Nick Berg. This is legit. DO NOT WATCH IT IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE DISTURBED! I WILL NOT WATCH IT!

Here's the link:
www.bangedup.com...

EDIT: Actually, mods, if you see any of this being inappropriate, please edit it. I will not be on for about 8 hours, and don't want to wait that long to comply with your wishes.

[Edited on 5-13-2004 by junglejake]

Originally posted by Zzub

"There are things that you can't unsee. When you dance with the Devil, he doesn't change, the Devil changes you."

This is why I won't watch that video clip that JJ posted and everyones talking about. I've read a good part of the thread and I know enough to know that there is no way I could handle seeing something like that. And Pisky definitely advised me not to watch it. He knows how prone to nightmares I am.

Just imagining it is bad enough. I'm a very visual person and every since I simply READ a small piece of that thread, I've felt sick with just what I imagined it to be.

No thanks. I think I'll go to BTS to get this rotten taste out of my mouth.

The question of are snuff films real, is a simple matter of is there a market. The sick truth is this if you could find 20 people interested who are willing to pay $500 each that makes $10,000. The truth is that these snuff films are made in third world countries were life is a lot cheaper then $10,000, so there being made. The sicker truth is that there are places in the world were you can do more then watch for a few thousand dollars. The only way to stop it is to track down the people who go to these countries to do this and punish them here because third world government are known to look away if there paid to.


(You could find these kind of psychos thanks to the fact there are over 6 billion of us. the means that the 5% of us who are crazy nut jobs numbers in the millions.)

arcana imperii, it sickens me thinking about the people who are getting off on Nick Berg's death. three posts up is the link to that video, a snuff film made not for money, but for politics. It's sick, and it has caused me to question the non-existance of a "sunff market" out there, because there are a lot more people who would do anything for money then there are people who would do anything for politics. It's a scarey world we live in today...

You should be a lot more sickened by the guy who does it for money rather then for politicks. No matter how screwed up a persons beliefs are if they do evil in the name of some cause it is better then doing it simply for money. For a man to be driven to horror by passion is horrible. But a person who his so empty so devoid of any trace of humanity. To be willing to do such acts of horror for money, that is the type of person you should be real scared of.

Originally posted by project_pisces
Snuff Films are probably real and exist. I cant think of any better way to bribe and control big politicians and corporate figures.

This (again) connects with the child-abuse/abduction threads.

I've read in books (by authors like David Icke - so take it as you will) that the rituals performed in the secret societies involving murder, rape or paedophile activities are filmed, and this is used as a back-up for any whistle-blowers/traitors - blackmail them with the evidence of their disgusting deeds.

Originally posted by arcana imperii
You should be a lot more sickened by the guy who does it for money rather then for politicks. No matter how screwed up a persons beliefs are if they do evil in the name of some cause it is better then doing it simply for money. For a man to be driven to horror by passion is horrible. But a person who his so empty so devoid of any trace of humanity. To be willing to do such acts of horror for money, that is the type of person you should be real scared of.

Well, for a lot of people, money is a cause. It doesn't make it any better, I'm just so disgusted with this, especially now that it seems to have disappeared from the media and they're going back to the prison abuse stuff.

NOTE: It may be coming back, tho, since that sick-o school teacher showed it to their students, without any parental consent...

My mom is mexican and we go to mexico almost every summer we have a house in Guadalajara so thats why we go so often, the last time i went was during the summer of 2002, and one time me and my friends picked up a conversation about the site ------------------------- and then it went from there to the movie
8mm with nic cage, and then they told me if i wanted to see some of those films, and i said no way! never!, but why? i asked them, and they said we could go and by them right now they are really cheap, i said what?! where do they sell them?
In the Tianguis they said, Tianguis its like a tent market that goes along a really long avenue or street, where people sell everything from food, toys, Tvs, stereos, movies , cds, shoes , clothes everything absolutely everything, so anyway i said lets go , i wanna see if this movies are really true. So we went and LO AND BEHOLD! there they were, three movies in vcd's and videocassettes, they were called: TRAUMA 1, TRAUMA2, and TRAUMA3, i asked the two guys who were the owners of the tent , which was selling everything from videogames , to CD,s and movies all pyrate ofcourse ,, so i asked them if any of them had whatched the trauma movies, one guy said yeah i watched number 3 in my psychology class, I said really?! what is it about?? he said that it was about torture, it had various clips of torture one of them showed a man punished by the taliban for some stupid reason that i cant remember, but he said that the taliban cut off his right foot with a huge knife withouth any medicines or freezing they sent him home walking with just a simple bandage, another clip showed a kid in the phillipines or some asian country, in the hands of two rapists, the rapists first sexually abused him, then cut off his legs , then his arms, then they hanged him in the wall by the head and the kid was still alive screaming kill me please! and at last they shot him multiple times with a shotgun. Another clip showed a guy videotaping his suicide, the guy introduce himself name, age, etcc and said that the video was evidence for the police to confirm that nobody killed him and that he was comitting voluntary sucide, he dedicated a song to her ex-girlfriend and said goodbye to most of the people he knew, then grabbed a needle and filled it with cyanide, then injected it into a vein in his right arm, the guy then started to say that it felt like fire burning inside of his body, he was like its spreading i feel it in my legs now, he was like oh my god my head, its burning, no theres no way back now! , i cant go back now ! and he was like screaming in agony with his eyeballs rolled backwards, and then he was just like barely breathing or thrying to breath until he took his last breath.
He shared a few more stories with me, and my friends also told me more stories about what those videos showed, but only one that showed showed a girl been killed that i dont want to put in here, but the bottom line is that THEY ARE TRUE, SNUFF FILMS ARE TRUE, they sell them in mexico in guadalajara to be exact if you wanna go there go a check' em out, another huge market that has them is called SAN JUAN DE DIOS in the same city GUADALAJARA, im not sick enough to buy crap like that, and to any of you interested in them they are only 70 pesos , thats about 7 dollars. I think The guy that was telling me all of this was traumatized from watching that. I asked him a few more questions before i left. Why the hell would a university allow to play those kind of videos in their regular classes,? and he said: THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL HERE> oh my god did you guys here that , snuff films are not illegal in mexico i just can't believe it, that's one of the reasons i havent gone to mexico lately man that is just wrong, the other question i asked him before i left was where the suicide guy from the film was from, and he said from this same city guadalajara, i said no way, that just kinda shook my credibility of what the guy was telling me , and i wanted to buy them and see the videos for myself but hey i decided to go with the guy. Anyways , I hope this finally clears it,, SNUFF FILMS ARE OUT THERE and i just told you one place where you can find them.

Apparently huge numbers of execution films were found in Iraq in government and police facilities. I don't have a link to back this up, I heard it on Public Radio several months ago. Apparently the Baathists had recorded a TON of episodes of torture and execution. These videos made it to the general public and were being sold by merchants on the streetcorners of Baghdad.

Apparently Iraqi civilians were buying these videos to find footage of their missing relatives, so that they could have closure. They interviewed some people who'd found their family members on some of these tapes, people who didn't have to wonder what happened anymore. . .

They also interviewed a lawyer (I believe he was American or British) who did nothing except watch these videos for 10-12 hours a day, trying to identify the torturers and murderers in these films so that they could be tried in court.

How would you like that job. . .?

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Organized crime has long supported documenting "hits" to prove that the "mark" is dead, and to prove who killed the "mark." In some groups, a videotape is a condition for payment. Video documentation aside, people have been killing for money for a LOOOONG time. If a person could kill someone, and make money off of the footage, it would be one step easier than performing a "hit," since that person could CHOOSE the "mark" for the film.

Think of every DEPRAVED ATROCIOUS human act that is currently well-known to exist in video. Sado-Masochism is a thriving industry, this includes physical and psychological abuse. You don't even have to look very hard for that. Accidental death videos aren't that hard to find. New child pornography rings are busted all the time. I think we all know that these items exist without a shadow of a doubt.

There is a film on the market called Bumfights, check it out if you wanna lose some faith in the goodness of the human race. I've opted out of watching this for now. Basically homeless people performing depraved acts for money, very real, almost mainstream.

I think it's also safe to assume that someone, somewhere, gets raped, tortured, and killed every day. I think it's safe to assume that quite a few people do, actually.

Now, knowing what we do, how hard is it to believe that there is someone out there with their camera rolling?

I find it hard to imagine it DOESN'T happen.

--J1m

I've saw a load of stuff on ------------------------- and ogrish.com and it's true. You can never forget the images of someone being murdered on film. I don't look at stuff like that now.

The Nick Berg murder is truly horrifying. Don't watch it.

As for snuff movies. I have no doubt that they exist. The people who make them are Evil to the core.

Originally posted by BasementAddix
Of course thers real snuff films...think of it like this...whatever you cant believe a person can do...has been done...

EXACTLY right ....Theres nothing worse than ourselves as a race. Not that I know of anyway. There is nothing we aren't capable of scary but true.

visions of snuff films through my head...i feel sick knowing these exist, let alone that i've seen the aftermath of death off of websites. how we have fallen.

Originally posted by bartholomeo
My mom is mexican and we go to mexico almost every summer we have a house in Guadalajara so thats why we go so often, the last time i went was during the summer of 2002, and one time me and my friends picked up a conversation about the site ------------------------- and then it went from there to the movie
8mm with nic cage, and then they told me if i wanted to see some of those films, and i said no way! never!, but why? i asked them, and they said we could go and by them right now they are really cheap, i said what?! where do they sell them?
In the Tianguis they said, Tianguis its like a tent market that goes along a really long avenue or street, where people sell everything from food, toys, Tvs, stereos, movies , cds, shoes , clothes everything absolutely everything, so anyway i said lets go , i wanna see if this movies are really true. So we went and LO AND BEHOLD! there they were, three movies in vcd's and videocassettes, they were called: TRAUMA 1, TRAUMA2, and TRAUMA3, i asked the two guys who were the owners of the tent , which was selling everything from videogames , to CD,s and movies all pyrate ofcourse ,, so i asked them if any of them had whatched the trauma movies, one guy said yeah i watched number 3 in my psychology class, I said really?! what is it about?? he said that it was about torture, it had various clips of torture one of them showed a man punished by the taliban for some stupid reason that i cant remember, but he said that the taliban cut off his right foot with a huge knife withouth any medicines or freezing they sent him home walking with just a simple bandage, another clip showed a kid in the phillipines or some asian country, in the hands of two rapists, the rapists first sexually abused him, then cut off his legs , then his arms, then they hanged him in the wall by the head and the kid was still alive screaming kill me please! and at last they shot him multiple times with a shotgun. Another clip showed a guy videotaping his suicide, the guy introduce himself name, age, etcc and said that the video was evidence for the police to confirm that nobody killed him and that he was comitting voluntary sucide, he dedicated a song to her ex-girlfriend and said goodbye to most of the people he knew, then grabbed a needle and filled it with cyanide, then injected it into a vein in his right arm, the guy then started to say that it felt like fire burning inside of his body, he was like its spreading i feel it in my legs now, he was like oh my god my head, its burning, no theres no way back now! , i cant go back now ! and he was like screaming in agony with his eyeballs rolled backwards, and then he was just like barely breathing or thrying to breath until he took his last breath.
He shared a few more stories with me, and my friends also told me more stories about what those videos showed, but only one that showed showed a girl been killed that i dont want to put in here, but the bottom line is that THEY ARE TRUE, SNUFF FILMS ARE TRUE, they sell them in mexico in guadalajara to be exact if you wanna go there go a check' em out, another huge market that has them is called SAN JUAN DE DIOS in the same city GUADALAJARA, im not sick enough to buy crap like that, and to any of you interested in them they are only 70 pesos , thats about 7 dollars. I think The guy that was telling me all of this was traumatized from watching that. I asked him a few more questions before i left. Why the hell would a university allow to play those kind of videos in their regular classes,? and he said: THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL HERE> oh my god did you guys here that , snuff films are not illegal in mexico i just can't believe it, that's one of the reasons i havent gone to mexico lately man that is just wrong, the other question i asked him before i left was where the suicide guy from the film was from, and he said from this same city guadalajara, i said no way, that just kinda shook my credibility of what the guy was telling me , and i wanted to buy them and see the videos for myself but hey i decided to go with the guy. Anyways , I hope this finally clears it,, SNUFF FILMS ARE OUT THERE and i just told you one place where you can find them.

THx dude, you almost made me puke. That was pretty damn disgusting.

Anyone here ever heard of the new concept, 'crush' movies?

Bartholomeo said that he had seen 3 tapes - Trauma 1, 2 and 3. Trauma is the name (as many of you must know) of a small horror production company that specializes in disgusting effects (killing children, eating #, that kind of stuff).

Now I am not saying they were not snuff films, but I just wanted to add that they could have been films from the above company. Did you happen to see any of them at all? Like a snippet?

I didn't watch any of them so I wouldn't be able to tell you if they were real or fake first hand, but according to the people i talked to that have watched them those movies are very real.

My understanding is that the Trauma films are not snuff films. Again for clarification for everyone: "snuff films" are defined as films of murders, where the victim is killed for the purpose of the crime being filmed. Footage of accidents, executions, war deaths, etc are not snuff films in the technical sense, because they are murders that someone has someone has happened to catch on tape, the murders themselves occured for a seperate reason. As examples:
A group kidnapping and murdering a victim while filming for the purposes of distributing the tape is a snuff film.
Footage of an authorized execution of a convicted criminal is not.

As an earlier poster mentioned, 'crush' films are films of small animals being crushed or stomped, most often by women in heels. Its a particularly disturbing sexual fetish, and I remember the FBI cracking down on this in recent years.

Originally posted by el_topo
As an earlier poster mentioned, 'crush' films are films of small animals being crushed or stomped, most often by women in heels. Its a particularly disturbing sexual fetish, and I remember the FBI cracking down on this in recent years.

...WHAT?!

I missed the earlier poster, but I caught your mention of this. That is fargin' sick! I was a bit disturbed by that footage someone here on ATS put up of a 50 cal gun hitting a ground hog or something. That was nasty, but to sit there and watch an animal die while you wack off....wtf?!

As to trauma films, I'm torn on that. Faces of Death, though I've not seen it, seems to have a strange cult following. I do enjoy the Darwin Awards, but that's not footage but rather amusing anecdotes about real incidents where people's stupidity cost them the ultimate price. Would I want to watch the dude demonstrate the strength of an office window by hurling himself at it and plummeting to his death? Never. Like someone said before, you can't unsee some things. I have some things I can't unsee and wish they weren't there, I have no wish to add to that library.

To conceive is to believe. Without knowing this dark side of humanity, I wish not to know of this. However, we know that somone, somewhere has some sort of sickness like this. Even worse is child slavery and or pornography.

As people of the free world, we need to eliminate Snuff films as well as the ones I have listed above all together. In my book, make a snuff film, the law has a right to snuff you. No questions asked. Same with our children of the world. injure or harm innocent children, then suffer the cosequences.

If I had a say in it, justice would be swift; once the actions and crime were confirmed. Let us pray that there is less and less of this as it has partially ruined my eveing merely thinking about it. If you have knowledge, please report any of these crimes to your local FBI office or law enforcement agency.

[edit on 28-1-2005 by HIFIGUY]