Question for Phage, Internos, Chadwickus and Easynow...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Akezzon

 

I didn't say I haven't been puzzled. Did I?
The question used the word "stumped".

I didn't say that you didn't said that you havn't been puzzled. Did I?
The statement used the words "...some would have loved to see a video that had made you rather puzzled".
I don't know how I should say it in english for you to comprehend. ( English is not my main language ).

I try again...

I think some would love to see the clip ( if there are any ) that got your eyebrows raising where you can't in any remotely way explain it as a natural phenomenon, ISS, planets, comets, ice crystals, cgi, planes, birds, chinese lanters, weatherballoons, uhmm....gas....moon, insects....(have I missed something?). Is there sucha a clip, no matter if you have posted a comment on it or not...if so, which one is it?

That was kinda what I wanted to say with that "statement" you responded to. Not if you said puzzled or not.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by Akezzon]

reply to post by Akezzon


The Belgium Wave and the pictures is hard to explain, I know it is for everyone else in ufology. Also there are multiple other cases, specifically the older ones in the Blue Book era, like the Mantell, Gorman, Chiles-Whitted, Tremonton, DC, Lakenheath-Bentwaters. Also some newer ones like the Phoenix lights, Stephenville, Gulf Breeze, Illinois triangle, Hill abduction, Walton abduction, countless ancient cave paintings and accounts, the Discovery transmission, and many, MANY more.

reply to post by Akezzon

The OP says "completely stumped". That is English (American?) idiom for something more than "puzzled". It implies that all mundane explanations have been eliminated. Puzzled, on the other hand, can imply ambiguity.

Maybe if I say it like this it will help. Videos which lack context or enough "clues" (background, points of reference, etc.) can be puzzling. But because there is not enough information, I prefer not to speculate about what they might be because a process of deductive reasoning cannot be used. I can't say what it is (or might be) or what it isn't.

[edit on 7/12/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by bskivss3


Just finding something that cant be explained as doesn't automatically make it credible as an alien space craft. There will always be things we cant explain when we are constantly bombard with out of focus shaky pictures and video as evidence of visitors from other planets.

If the pictures were clear and it was a UFO then that would be easy to identify also.


[edit on 12-7-2009 by VitalOverdose]

reply to post by VitalOverdose


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4f585ad9c2d3.jpg[/atsimg]

Is that clear enough for you?

It looks close but its anything but clear.

Thats the sort of thing i mean..all you can tell from that picture is that you dont know whats in the picture. That doesn't make it an alien craft.

reply to post by VitalOverdose


Your right, but re know it is not a planet, swamp gas, weather balloon, Chinese lantern, flares, mirage, insects, seagulls, regular airplane or chopper right?

So what are we left with?

1.Hoax, extensive investigation seems to rule this out, but still it is possible. (IMO

Skeptics simply do not know how to listen to their hearts. We are entering a new age now that favours right-brain faculties like intuition, imagination and creativity. Those abstract, linear thinking habits associated with left-brain faculties are going to be obsolete in the not so distant future. Say your goodbyes to people like Phage and Internos now, because they have some very tough times ahead as more novel change occurs in less time; they're going to be completely devoured by the storm as they try making sense of it all and analyzing everything to the tinest detail. A lot of these people are very much going to die, especially when the full brunt of the economic collapse arrives and they are forced into a Mad Max-style, every man for himself-type scenario where intuition (right-brain faculty) is the ultimate key to survival.

I remember watching a 9/11 documentary on t.v. and hearing how all the lawyers seemed to be completely lost after the plane struck and they got stuck up in the WTC building. Meanwhile, the custodians were calmly finding ways to escape and guiding them all out -- they just knew what to do next in the face of grave calamity. This is left brain vs. right brain.

Some people will read this and feel a sense of fear. Death is an inevitable part of mortal life and should be viewed upon as waking up from a dream, as you will have another oppurtunity in your next life to learn and climb the ladder of enlightenment. Reincarnation is a natural spiritual law that everyone goes through in the universe, albeit kept secret by TPTB.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by hermantinkly]

reply to post by jkrog08


Love it... keep it coming!

in all seriousness just popped in to see Phage's response and have to admit it satisfies me... Phagism at its finest.

reply to post by hermantinkly


I really do not see why some people try to bash internos and call him a 'closed minded skeptic''. He has NEVER came off as a skeptic to me. I guess you guys do not read any of his excellent threads or posts, many have been in favor of UFOs and aliens. But many have been against it, when most of the time it is obvious to all but a few pseudobeleivers that what is in question is NOT a UFO or alien related event and IS mundane.

I mean the things internos has done for this site and people still attack him(and yes I had a disagreement with him once, but that is over with now and we are fine)! I guess that is the price that comes with being on top your game in ufology like he is. Off topic I know but I had to say something about that, sorry.

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by hermantinkly

 

I really do not see why some people try to bash internos and call him a 'closed minded skeptic''. He has NEVER came off as a skeptic to me. I guess you guys do not read any of his excellent threads or posts, many have been in favor of UFOs and aliens. But many have been against it, when most of the time it is obvious to all but a few pseudobeleivers that what is in question is NOT a UFO or alien related event and IS mundane.

I mean the things internos has done for this site and people still attack him(and yes I had a disagreement with him once, but that is over with now and we are fine)! I guess that is the price that comes with being on top your game in ufology like he is. Off topic I know but I had to say something about that, sorry.

Honestly, I didn't know who Phage nor Internos were, I just used them because it fit the context of my post (supposedly they're skeptics, no?).

reply to post by hermantinkly


Phage, YES and YES(IMO)......Internos, NO and YES(IMO).....Internos is just a neutral investigator as all should be, but many aren't in Ufology, although there has been a push to change that as of late, especially on this site among other mediums.

Internos just posts a lot and there is a lot of bs that comes through here, and he is usually the one to properly debunk it. I guess some think or consider him a skeptic, that is news to me, as he is not by the definition. I really do not even like talking about other members like this- for multiple reasons. But sorry if I jumped on you but I tend to defend people who deserve it.


EDIT to add: I would not be so quick to "use members to make a point". It is unwise to group people in a category that you intend to bash like you did, especially when you know little or none about them. Just a piece of friendly advice. Again, sorry if you feel I 'lashed out' but I did what I felt was warranted.

[edit on 7/12/2009 by jkrog08]

reply to post by hermantinkly


internos' gender = MALE
hermantinkly's gender= UNKNOWN

this is the basic difference between me and you. There's no need to be some rocket scientist in order to realize that you are some old member who has NOT the balls to face me straight, hence created that account (what a genius you are, no one will realize it). Grow, before talking about me.


[edit on 12/7/2009 by internos]

If you don't know what an alien craft looks like in reality how do you know when you see one that's blurry and unfocused?

You just endup looking silly when they get disproved as fakes which IMO is a good 60% of the time.

Almost all the really good credible pictures of UFO's get bought up by people at NASA etc all the stuff you see on the net is all the rubbish that people couldn't get money for.

reply to post by hermantinkly


In case you haven't figured it out most skeptics want to believe the only difference is they want facts. There not willing to take faith as a legitimate answer prove your point. Ive seen a lot of UFO threads that show glowing balls and say thats proof of aliens. Sorry but its proof there was something there but it doesn't prove aliens. I myself would love to come on ATS one day find that one thing that proves to me were not alone in the universe. But I'm not willing to fool myself either so any evidence must pass my own personal test to determine validity.

My dad worked at NASA i grew up in the space program often went to work with my dad at Goddard Space Flight Center whenever i could get the chance. And because of this i happened to learn a lot about NASA and what it does. So one of my biggest pet peeves is when people try to use blatant lies about NASA to prove there right. So in that regards I'm a skeptic however that doesn't mean i wouldn't want to see an alien before i die.

reply to post by internos


Yikes, haha. A little fast on the brash conclusions there matey. You seem to have quite the ego problem.

Read my last post.

reply to post by hermantinkly

Thank you for your completely ignorant assessment of my survival skills. I was fortunate to be provided with an upbringing which included learning analytical thought as well as the means of living off of whatever can be found in my environment to survive. I will be happy to assist you (or maybe not) in your hour of need should the need arise.

In the mean time. I will continue to express my opinions when I believe I can contribute something meaningful to the discussion.


[edit on 7/13/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by hermantinkly
reply to post by internos

 

Yikes, haha. A little fast on the brash conclusions there matey. You seem to have quite the ego problem.

Read my last post.

Perhaps i have some ego problem, but i don't need to hide behind any new account: since you have JUDGED me, and since according to the record you joined ATS some days ago, either you don't know me enough to make any judgement or, as i said (and i DO think) you are an old member who created a duplicate account because has NOT the balls to face me using his real account: anyway i'm wrong because to feed the trolls is always a mistake, so you are right: i have some ego problems, but at least i don't doubt about the existence of a pair of balls, while i don't think that you can say the same thing.

reply to post by internos


I used your name and that other guy'sto make my point, and because your names were the first ones mentioned in the thread title. Nothing more, nothing less. A little brash on my part sure; I apologize.

reply to post by VitalOverdose


Well we know what publically known human craft look like and are capable of, even given a 20 year curve. Of course if you subscribe to the inside rumors of the military being about 2500 years ahead of public technology levels and development times then I guess you have a strong argument for the UFOs (that can not be explained) being secret craft like the TR3B, TAW-50, or many other unnamed spacecraft.

There are many good pictures(pictures are NOT everything) of UFOs, but you also have to review the stories, witnesses, and other evidence (ie;trace,radar,etc). For example the Lakenheath-Bentwaters UFO Incident of 56' has NO PICTURES, but has confirmed multiple UREs (Unknown Radar Echos) by two bases (Lakenheath and Bentwaters) using three different radars, as well confirmed visuals on the air and ground by many military officials and civilians, AS WELL confirmed radar lock by a fighter jet scrambled to intercept, which then was CHASED by the UFO until the jet neared its base. This was all on radar and also seen, there is NO official explanation other than that "there appears to be at least one genuine UFO". I mean you had URE hits of objects going up to Mach 25 (around 18,000 mph) and then stopping and going, then merging into one object and so forth. Ask some radar operators about the "fast movers" they see, especially around the north pole, if they are willing to talk. And no they are not satelittes because their altitude is way to low.

But ultimately it will take a mass landing or disclosure to have absolute prof, but cases like that one and many solidify the UFO phenomena as real and likely not of human origins.