US: I was called a terrorist, and threatened...

I know how You feel my mother told my old lady she was concerned because I was a conspiracy theorist. I told her I thought the government let it happen so they and their boys could make a lot of money. I didn't say they did it but let it happen. She told me she wanted to have a sit down with me and the old lady aluded that it was because of what I said. The sad fact is She wants to lecture me about it but doesn't even know what money is. I haven't spoken to her in like 2 months and the next time I speak to her I am going to inform her that unless she educates herself on the subject of money or 9/11 I might never talk to her again. I can't believe she is going to trust me more than some talking head on TV..


On the other hand I talk to people at work a lot about the banking system and the corruption. I don't get into 9/11 so people listen but then their eyes glaze over and they get back to watching the brain washing tube. I had one diver that was a total neo-con 6 months ago but then He had close to 4 to 5 months of no work. He started doing some research and He came back out there other day. We talked for a good hour about the # storm that was coming and We were on the same page. He told me He had a family to protect and He wanted to be prepared. I was sitting down eating dinner and the company rep said so Your old lady is buying a bunch of silver? I started talking to him about it and He informed me he had gold which says a lot. He then said THEY are just going to create another currency with several people listening. I was surprised at what He said and it goes to show that some people are waking up.

Hey I started looking at this stuff during the primaries like a lot of other RP supporters on here so I am a late comer. I have been preaching this for a while though. I saved a man a lot of money on His house because He sold before the market bottomed out just from listening to me. I know a lot of people think I am strange because I eat and breath this # but its nice to know that I saved this man probably 100k or more since the value went down 40%. I will talk to him soon about buying silver to protect him and his family and possibly to pay off his debts in the future.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


I have discussed my view with many ATP's and encouraged the skeptics among them to find the wreckage. None have been able to do so and since you claim to have found the Jetliner wreckage the please post here.

As for your mythological "friends" please post their statements here aas well.

I've wrecked more airplanes than you claim to have "cleaned-up" but I presume that in all of your clean-ups must have included wreckage equal to the weight of the airplane?

Once again, I request that you post your evidence and stop blowing hot air.

This has gotten off topic and as I've already stated that I don't waste much energy on trying to lead the blind to light.

However, on topic:

Every Sept 11, wherever I am at the time, I locate the local 911 Truther group and carry signs along with them.

It's a very unpleasant experience because every mental defective, every imbecile, and every ignoramus has to stop by and make some sort of comment. Pretty much like happens at ATS.

I enjoy an intelligence exchange of views but it's very tiring to have to read all the comments to find the few that have any depth.

reply to post by swami don


Good point. You explained it well, forcing me to visualize the alleged aircraft explosion at the Pentagon wall in a different manner.

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The jet fuel would have been contained in the wing and belly tanks, surrounded by aircraft aluminum. The seats and passengers would have been above the belly tank. If the fuel which was supposedly enclosed by the aircraft was exploding outward as shown in the parking lot security videos, then how could the aircraft aluminum surrounding the fuel not be also exploding outward? The tail section should have been slowed down and left on the lawn. But it was not.

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When the plane went ka-booom, the fuel allegedly exploding upward and outward should have carried what enclosed it upward and outward also. There should have been pieces of aircraft falling out of the sky for a long time. But where was the shattered aircraft? We certainly couldn't see it on the lawn could we? How could an aircraft allegedly blown to smithereens continue to fly through several holes in the wall?

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And if the fuel was allegedly flying into the building at 530 mph (780 feet per second), then how does the alleged explosion and after-effects remain outside the building, and billowing into the sky in the videos?

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The NTSB estimated that there was about 36,200 pounds of jet fuel remaining in the aircraft tanks upon impact with the Pentagon. Why would the 530 mph inertia of this huge mass of fuel stop at the Pentagon wall and burn off into the sky? Why didn't the majority of the fuel enter the building and blow the roof off? Why did the roof wait 20 minutes to collapse? Where is the aircraft?

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[edit on 5/24/09 by SPreston]

You should have listened to what Jesus said. He said to not cast Your pearls amongst the swine because they will stomp on it.

Pearls = wisdom

Swine = SHEEPLE

Originally posted by Spreston
The jet fuel would have been contained in the wing and belly tanks, surrounded by aircraft aluminum. The seats and passengers would have been above the belly tank.

Only a few seats are above the center fuel tanks.

Originally posted by Spreston
If the fuel which was supposedly enclosed by the aircraft was exploding outward as shown in the parking lot security videos, then how could the aircraft aluminum surrounding the fuel not be also exploding outward?

Because it was also traveling forward, which would cause it to move at a forward angle.

Originally posted by Spreston
The tail section should have been slowed down and left on the lawn. But it was not.

Only if the energy caused by the explosion was enough to overcome the forward inertia. What you are saying is exactly the same as someone who believes that if you jump at the last second in a plummeting elevator, you will survive. While it might sound like it would work, in reality the small upward force is not enough to overcome the greater downward inertia.

Originally posted by Spreston
When the plane went ka-booom, the fuel allegedly exploding upward and outward should have carried what enclosed it upward and outward also.

But it would still have forward inertia, until something worked on it in an equal opposite reaction.

Originally posted by Spreston
But where was the shattered aircraft? We certainly couldn't see it on the lawn could we?

Why would we see the aircraft BEHIND the point of impact, especially when inertia will carry it forward from the point of impact? The point of impact being the building wall.

Originally posted by Spreston
How could an aircraft allegedly blown to smithereens continue to fly through several holes in the wall?

Only parts flew through he building, the heavier ones penetrated further inside. Besides this over half the fuselage is forward of the fuel tanks and would have already been penetrating the building BEFORE the fuel tanks exploded.

Originally posted by Spreston
How could an aircraft allegedly blown to smithereens continue to fly through several holes in the wall?

posted by defcon5
Only parts flew through he building, the heavier ones penetrated further inside. Besides this over half the fuselage is forward of the fuel tanks and would have already been penetrating the building BEFORE the fuel tanks exploded.

And yet a major defender of the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY presented the 44 foot tall tail stabilizer passing through the upper floors unhindered. The tail stabilizer was entirely behind the alleged exploding fuel tanks. How could it possibly pass through three floors of steel reinforced wall at 530 mph without even leaving a mark?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5416f66787c2.gif[/atsimg]

Larger version

Why do you put up with such dishonesty?

No sign of a 44 foot tail stabilizer hitting the upper floors at 530 mph
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Too-scale image from Purdue University Flight 77 Simulation
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Thank you for being there to communicate your views, no matter what the outcome was! I'm sure that most of them still shrug it off as lunacy, but you might have turned at least one towards finding the truth for themselves!

Mr Preston already knows the answers to this from the other thread it came up in:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
But this exactly what I mentioned earlier with this post:

Originally posted by defcon5
Many people find truth movement folks to be even more annoying then Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientologists, etc… I know that they get on my last never with their brainwashed reputation of incorrect “facts”.

Typical conversations with them go like this:
“what happened to the wings?”
“well… this happened to the wings.”
“Yeah… But…But… What happened to the wings?”

So I will reiterate this again just for completeness.

Originally posted by SPreston
How could an aircraft allegedly blown to smithereens continue to fly through several holes in the wall?

The plane was not Blown to Smithereens, the wings exploded when the wing tanks were sheared open. Over half the aircraft was already inside the building by the time the tanks ruptured.

Originally posted by SPreston
And yet a major defender of the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY presented the 44 foot tall tail stabilizer passing through the upper floors unhindered. The tail stabilizer was entirely behind the alleged exploding fuel tanks. How could it possibly pass through three floors of steel reinforced wall at 530 mph without even leaving a mark?

It did leave a mark, just not one as tall as you would like it to be. First off the tail is only 44 feet tall when the aircraft has its landing gear down, its not 44 feet from the bottom of the aircraft, its more like 30 feet for the bottom. Secondly, as I have already pointed out, the tail on a 757 is empty airfoil as it does not A) Support a tail mounted engine, and B) Does not support the Elevators. Meaning its very easy to shear the tail off a 757, 767, 737, or other similar aircraft.

Originally posted by SPreston
Why do you put up with such dishonesty?

The only dishonesty here is truth movement dishonesty, they know their cannon well and repeat it time after time, flaws and all. People disprove truther dishonesty all the time, and still hear the same flawed logic from the next batch of truthers who show up.

Originally posted by SPreston
No sign of a 44 foot tail stabilizer hitting the upper floors at 530 mph

Was the aircraft sitting on its landing gear sir???
If the answer to this is no, then its not 44 feet.
Learn how aircraft are measured please.

Originally posted by alyosha1981
"how dare I go telling lies about the United States government"
Sensing that by now the young marine either wanted to fight me or cry,

With regards to people getting angry in these types of arguments where they haven't examined the facts themselves. I read an article on these types and their subconscious mind knows what was said is the truth but it has definitely challenged their conscious mind, the subconscious always knows the truth but getting there and dragging it to the conscious mind is the challenge.

reply to post by alyosha1981


I'm going to through this out there because all you Above Top Secret Smarty Pants are missing a very important observation.

Shut your mouth, keep you head low and for the love of Applesauce don't put situations like what happened in the OP on cyberspace. This stuff is out there and it's connected to your IP and this stuff never goes away.

And just to let people know......you as citizens do not under any circumstances, have freedom of speech. You gave that up a long time ago. As of these days only publishers have that right, for now.

TA!! Izzy

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Izarith]

Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by alyosha1981

 

Shut your mouth, keep you head low and for the love of Applesauce don't put situations like what happened in the OP on cyberspace. This stuff is out there and it's connected to your IP and this stuff never goes away.

Ya and neither will the memmory of the tragedy on 9/11. Unless that is we all believe what we're told and go on with life like good little sheep.

posted by SPreston
And yet a major defender of the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY presented the 44 foot tall tail stabilizer passing through the upper floors unhindered. The tail stabilizer was entirely behind the alleged exploding fuel tanks. How could it possibly pass through three floors of steel reinforced wall at 530 mph without even leaving a mark?

posted by defcon5
It did leave a mark, just not one as tall as you would like it to be. First off the tail is only 44 feet tall when the aircraft has its landing gear down, its not 44 feet from the bottom of the aircraft, its more like 30 feet for the bottom.

Meaning its very easy to shear the tail off a 757, 767, 737, or other similar aircraft.

Oh really? So the engines sit 14 feet off the ground when the aircraft is sitting on its landing gear?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/87172c7919cf.jpg[/atsimg]

So where is the sheared off tail outside the wall? It certainly did not go through the wall did it? And why did your partners defending the 9-11 perps show the tail moving through the 4 story walls unhindered?

posted by SPreston
Why do you put up with such dishonesty?

posted by defcon5
The only dishonesty here is truth movement dishonesty, they know their cannon well and repeat it time after time, flaws and all. People disprove truther dishonesty all the time, and still hear the same flawed logic from the next batch of truthers who show up.

To-scale image from Purdue University Flight 77 Simulation
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posted by SPreston
No sign of a 44 foot tail stabilizer hitting the upper floors at 530 mph

posted by defcon5
Was the aircraft sitting on its landing gear sir???
If the answer to this is no, then its not 44 feet.
Learn how aircraft are measured please.

Looks to me like the engines are only a few feet off the ground with the gear down. Not 14 feet. Assuming 12 feet per floor, the top of the tail would have hit below the windows against the 4th story wall at an alleged 530 mph. Not much time for the tail to alter its position after the fuel allegedly exploded ahead of it was there? About 1 thousandth of a second maybe? So where are the marks on the wall and where are the tail pieces? The tips of the aircraft wings and tails hitting the towers apparently left marks just fine. So who is being deliberately dishonest? Do you think all your enemies are stupid?

Originally posted by alyosha1981
It should be noted that at no time did I ever engage in any type of threatening behavior or comments that would have given anybody any reason to call me a terrorist, I was polite and respectful at all times during this debate, too bad I didn't receive the same in return.

[edit on 20-5-2009 by alyosha1981]

I HIGHLY doubt this statement. I also doubt the validity of the entire story.


Listen, I am not out to make anyone angry or purposefully call names or anything of the sort, but I am personally getting more and more annoyed at these unchallenged "stories". I am not sure what it is called (if there is a word or phrase for it) but there are increasingly more instances of this on ATS in the last year or so.

I guess I will call it "The Story Method"

The story method is a method of which an ATS Member creates a story, event, or incident, probably loosely based on a certain event, (say with one individual) and incorporates it into a larger event to give the ATS members belief more strength and credibility.

In recent examples on ATS, the location has been a "bar" and the bar patrons (and employees) are all hostile to the ATS Member in question, who of course is right, and everyone else is a raving redneck ignoramus.

The ATS Member is always:
1. Polite to a fault.
2. Never raises voice.
3. Is always calm.
4. Is always the only rational one.

Then we add the protagonists:
1. The angry "Marine".
2. The defiant barkeep or establishment owner.

Then add the gotcha words:
1. "terrorist"
2. "communist"

And of course, the indignant or ignorant responses, the absolute (oddly) resolve to hear every word you have to say (and THEN get mad).

I am sorry, but this is a text book example of how to imbibe your feelings onto many others without challenge.

There are a LOT of holes in this telling (like why the words terrorist and communist even came up as they are irrelevant) but I know no matter what I say those holes will be filled by your rapt readers so I won't even bother, the proof being the lack of a challenge from anyone.



Now you might ask why would someone make this stuff up?
I think two reasons.

1. Simple commiseration.
people need to feel part of a group and there is no better way than to have 100 people line up to espouse your own views right back at you. in story form, who is going to challenge you? This isn't a typical 9/11 thread so debunkers will not show up...

2. Context.
Posting a thread about you talking with your crazy uncle Joe who wont listen to you tell him 9/11 was an inside job is not good enough to get a thread going. No one cares about Joe.

But throw in an entire bar and the gotcha words "terrorist" and "communist" and you have yourself a story where 100 members will line up to proclaim how America and 99.9% of it's citizens are:

1. Ignorant
2. Ignorant
3. Ignorant

(except themselves of course)


Not ONE person in this entire thread (unless I completely missed it) even remotely questioned this account. They lapped it up word for word. And why would they? They are fellow believers and therefore every syllable is 100% correct.

You being the only sensible and intelligent person is a tip off that your story is either embellished quite a bit, or a fabrication altogether to get your feelings out there.

>>"Sensing that by now the young marine either wanted to fight me or cry"

Or cry?

>>"the female bartender came back over and asked me "what terrorist organization" I belonged too? and why was I trying to disturb the peace of the bar by telling lies?"

Not even the ignorant speak like this.

>>"So I did followed by verbal threats of violence and name calling at my back. "

Nothing like reinforcing the ignorance by a threat of violence.
They couldn't leave it alone at being stupid and throwing you out because of your "views", no, this gang had to threaten violence.

This is a story.... that is all.

A story to convey someones opinion and solidify it through the perceived ignorance of others. There are better ways of getting your point across.

Using "terrorist" and "communist" as insults are helpful to the story because ATS'er in general are more sensitive to them, using these words in an insulting rather than descriptive manner evokes bigotry, ignorance and hatred. Thus giving the story more color and belivability (to the susceptable)


Just so you all know...

This is how people start hating each other. Misinformation, mistrust, seeding hatred based on hearsay, conjecture and personal chest beating.


Note:
If you are one of the people who posted some sentiment that Americans are ignorant, or anti-inside job people are sheep then you will not be able to see this for what it is no matter what I say, you will jumpo and hollar and scream that I am a schill, a disinfo agent and all that, but if you were to turn the story around and read a story about a guy going into a bar who was pro "official story" and the bar was entirely "inside-job" how credible would this story be then?

reply to post by swami don

As for your mythological "friends" please post their statements here aas well.

Their statements are part of the record. You can go read them. I am not going to post their names, because too many people like you, like to find their phone numbers and call them.

I've wrecked more airplanes than you claim to have "cleaned-up" but I presume that in all of your clean-ups must have included wreckage equal to the weight of the airplane?

So, you are a p*** poor pilot? And no, you rarely recover the total weight of an aircraft after an accident. Too many components can either be consumed by fire or end up in small enough pieces you cannot find them all.

Once again, I request that you post your evidence and stop blowing hot air.

Gee, I figured such a salty poster as yourself (all 23 or so posts) that you would have seen these on ATS before..but here goes....

www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...
www.911myths.com...

Sure looks like plane wreckage....

Then there are these...

GILROY - Sometime today, Frank Jensen will spread his wife's ashes in Monterey Bay, where the San Martin couple spent countless joyful hours scuba diving together.

Two years ago today, Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon. She was homeward bound from a business trip and planned to celebrate her and Jensen's 20th anniversary the next day. Her 43rd birthday would have been just a few days later.

Rescue crews were able to pull Calley's body from Flight 77's wreckage. Now, after a long period of hesitation, Jensen plans to let the Pacific waters take her cremated remains

web.archive.org...://gilroydispatch.com/news/contentview.asp?c=73724

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him

www.usatoday.com...

Face it, the witnesses, physical evidence and photographic evidence shows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001. Your continued belief in the no-plane theory only calls into question your intelligence.

Originally posted by SPreston
Oh really? So the engines sit 14 feet off the ground when the aircraft is sitting on its landing gear?

No the engine bottoms come about up to my stomach, so they are around 4 feet off the ground when the plane has its gear down.
However this:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c161d1e54ddd.jpg[/atsimg]
Picture is BS...
An aircraft does not sit all nice and pretty on its engine cowlings in a belly slide. The wings are flexible after all. I believe that a 747 wing can flex over 45 degrees before sustaining any damage. The body would sag down, the wings would flex to allow that to occur. Same as this 737:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a7fdbe605024.jpg[/atsimg]
Is that B737 sitting all nice and pristine on its engines of did the wings flex allowing the body to lay flat down on the ground?

Originally posted by Spreston
So where is the sheared off tail outside the wall? It certainly did not go through the wall did it? And why did your partners defending the 9-11 perps show the tail moving through the 4 story walls unhindered?

Um... Again I am not partners with, no do I necessarily endorse that Purdue Video, but if you seem to need to make some connection there to win your argument. I believe that I have already explained that I simply chose that picture because it showed how the wing is split by the pilings.
You know what is funny though...
You all engage in the tactics of making relations between people were there are none, and twisting people words, yet you think that other posters/readers cannot see this?
It makes you look quite bad, and really hurts your case in the long run.

Now what I said happened is that the tail, which is empty airfoil, sheared, and some of the more pliable material such as: hydrolic lines, cables to static masts, cables to the electrical system, would have remained connected between the tail and the body. Thus dragging it inside with the main body.

reply to post by gormly


Hi there! I'll tell you that my credibility here on ATS has never (to my knowledge) been in question. If I was making this up I would not have posted it in the 9/11 board I would instead have placed it in member short stories, My actions and statements that night, were as stated and as such I felt compelled to share them here.

I don't require anybody to "believe" me. I wanted to convey the situation that I experienced, nothing more, nothing less. Please feel free to review some of my writing contributions here on ATS and I believe you will find them to be less then spectacular, don't let my writer status fool you. I respect your opinion and thank you for taking the time to make it known. If you have any specific questions please feel free to U2U me and I'll answer promptly as this thread was not meant to debate facts or the like, only to share an experience.

Originally posted by gormly

But throw in an entire bar and the gotcha words "terrorist" and "communist" and you have yourself a story where 100 members will line up to proclaim how America and 99.9% of it's citizens are:

1. Ignorant
2. Ignorant
3. Ignorant

Are you seriously saying that 99.9% of the citizens of America are not Ignorant?

See this is what drives me mad about all you "Deny Ignorance" people!! When I read posts like this and see a "Deny Ignorance" logo next to it my mind registers "Ignorance in Denial".

You don't believe this guys story? Why?

Do you honestly think that a marine that just killed who know who because he signed a document saying he is property of the United States is going to want to hear how the fact that he was sent to a Muslim country like Iraq to force all those people to accept the rule and order of a foreign country over miss-informed intelligence and a supposed inside job that killed over 3,000 Americans, while he is trying to have a beer, is not going to get upset?

Or that the bartender who I suspect serves many marines and *SNIP* is not going to be on the HooooAhhhh side of things?

I bet you have one of those yellow "support our troops" ribbons don't you?......

I would just like to Take this opportunity to tell All the brave soldiers of the armed force of the United Stats Of America that anyone, any person who does not have a family member in the military but yet has a stupid yellow ribbon on his SUV is a hypocrite and will as soon as spit on your face than ever give you actual respect.

If you don't believe me just look at how they walk right by a Nam vet. When is the last time these people with yellow ribbons have ever taken a homeless Nam Vet in his house for a sower and a meal?

Well that Nam Vet is you when he was young.

I'm not saying that people don't support the troops I'm just saying that it's usually the dumb guy trying to tell you that your fighting for the wrong reasons at a bar. Not the hipocrate cheering you on with his little... yellow ....magnetized ....ribbon.

So next time Give the kid a break will ya.


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[edit on 5/26/2009 by Hal9000]

i dont mean to sound rude but what did you expect? this country isnt in bad shape because people know the truth and cant do anything about it, its in bad shape because people are stupid and or dont want to look for the truth and then when they heard the truth they wouldnt believe it anyways. everyone on here is basically an extreme minority. this is why great men like Ron Paul get laughed at, even though he is telling the truth and is probably the only government official looking out for us. i did a presentation at COLLEGE on 9/11 and almost every single person laughed and thought i was some nut, even though i had tons and tons of info. this was at a college too, a supposed place of learning i would kind of expect that to happen to you at a bar. im sorry it happened though, people are stupid what can i say that is why i have dual citizenship and am not wasting anymore time, the country is dead man time to let her go it was fun while it lasted (kinda)

Originally posted by alyosha1981

Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by alyosha1981

 

Shut your mouth, keep you head low and for the love of Applesauce don't put situations like what happened in the OP on cyberspace. This stuff is out there and it's connected to your IP and this stuff never goes away.

Ya and neither will the memmory of the tragedy on 9/11. Unless that is we all believe what we're told and go on with life like good little sheep.

I'm just looking out for ya kid.

You got a big heart and a big mouth Just like me.

But take my advice and keep it of cyberspace. Keep things abstract and hypothetical.

It gets frustrating at times but taking it out on upper middle class yuppies who don't know that there world is gone because they gave it away in exchange for a good credit report will make you feel better trust me.

TA!! Izzy

reply to post by gormly


ya, that seems more along the lines of what really took place. or he started and argument and everyone got mad at him, and whatever else is just fill.