Avoiding the 'mandatory' vaccination ...

reply to post by projectvxn


Let me know if you want two compatriots- we're ready to bounce, as well, after hearing those two words- mandatory and vaccination- in the same sentence. Gun-point medicine kind of reminds me of why the trials at Nurmburg took place- I won't be part of a second project for the 3rd generation Dr. Mengele's...

[edit on 16-5-2009 by CultureD]

Originally posted by total newbie
What a bunch of chumpstains with this virus and the response.

Repeat. What a bunch of chumpstains.

Worthless bunch of M/Fers.

I'm sorry you feel the need to deride- personally- the facts and opinions on this thread. It is highly disrespectful. Civilized discourse if superior to base name-calling and mud-slinging. Are you, by chance, a member of Congress? I ask only because you speak in a way that reminds me of contentious sessions on C-SPAN.......

A small joke notwithstanding- I know I would appreciate positive dialogue- even if it differs from that which you read. I may even speak for others, though I would never presume to do so.

If this is offensive to you, perhaps CNN has information that better suits you.

reply to post by dreamseeker


Dream-

I never had allergies until I began to get the annual flu shot- around 19 or 20 years old- in college. I became allergic to plants, animals, etc. Now- some 15-20 years later, I've developed a few food allergies, although I've stopped injections, ecxept for HEP B (I worked with blood-borne paths in labs) and one flu shot last year before a business trip to Asia (that made me violently ill for 2 weeks). I then got the worst flu I can remember end of Feb/early March- down for 3 weeks. With all of the components of the vaccines on the market- from preservatives to adjuvants, etc., I'm not surprised we have been sensitized allergically.

Great link between the two- star and flag and all the accolades I can give.

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[edit on 16-5-2009 by CultureD]

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Flu vaccine is a different story for now, but if it becomes mandatory it will have approximately the same amount of participation.

You have no way of knowing that. As example, I asked a bunch of people I know and only about 1 in 4 said they would comply. Most said they would have nothing to do with flu shots no matter what. Of course I have no way of knowing if this is representative of the entire population. Ask a bunch of your friends and family and see what they say. I'm curious.

We currently house approximately 1% of the population behind bars. Add in the assistance of National Guard, Military, or FEMA camps and the physical challenge of containing several million people does not seem insurmountable.
www.washingtonpost.com...

Again, keep in mind that the government couldn't help/house the katrina victims effectively.

And finally, I am not playing chicken little. I don't think there will be mass imprisonment, or martial law, but it is certainly a possibility that has been discussed by the government, and laws put into affect to expedite the process.

Let's say person A gets the swine flu. We know it's very contagious and certain segments of the population are very susceptible to it and it can kill them. We know there is short incubation period for the swine flu and typically you're only contagious for a week. Wouldn't you stay home for a week instead of walk through your community, putting everyone else at risk?

The point of my post was to make sure everyone is aware that mass vaccinations with punitive consequences are already part of the existing emergency plan for a pandemic. Mandatory vaccination will come in small increments, and most people will comply, others will be chastised by their doctors or ridiculed by their peers until they comply, and the few that are left will be easy to contain.

1. Yes most will comply
2. Yes doctors might pressure their patients to get the shots for their own good.
3. Of course friends and family will ask you to get the shots because they don't want to see you die.

You seem to be playing it like it's a massive conspiracy. I tend to believe that people would want you to get the shots because they generally care about your well being.

I would also like to clarify that I am not against all vaccines. I voluntarily go in for my tetanus shot, because I tend to injure myself a lot. I would gladly accept all the recommended vaccines before leaving the country. I just think it should be a choice in all cases. I am not for mandatory anything!

[edit on 15-5-2009 by getreadyalready]

We can absolutely agree on this !!!!
Your last quote sums up EXACTLY how I feel about the whole thing. I do think everyone should take personal responsibility and the government wouldn't have an excuse to mandate vaccinations.

But you are 110% correct. Once our choice is taken from us, we are not Americans anymore.

They don't care if YOU take the vaccination, all they need to do is get your kids to take it. If YOU choose to not take it then lol, you will be depopulated by the disease.

Then they own your kids, new genetic changes and all.

No adult will be injected by force, but really every kid will.

What... really who will stop the school vaccination program LOL who has, this is going on decades now.

I couldn't go to college without my "shots"

So who knows exactly what has been in them?

If you went crazy about it you'd be singled out in seconds, don't kid yourself, no one would miss you if the irs took you away.

What?

You think you will be arrested for the Vaccination thing?

Nope

It will be something you "deserve" to be punished for rofl

They don't need to get whatever it is they want into you, just your children.

reply to post by gavinaskew


Re: missing samples from Ft. Detrick: it was published about 8 weeks ago that they had "lost" three vials of Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis (VEE). In the article you linked, there are no references to what went missing.

The VEE report was either truthful or a psyop- or it was a strain of flu.

I think it's interesting (in a cynical, disgusted way) that the Army were the first to report missing VEE samples (how could someone walk out of Ft. Detrick with ANYTHING from the labs?). Now- the Army is not saying explicitly what went missing. I think the Army, Gov., etc., think this public has about a 5 minute short-term memory...and maybe many do- but thousands- even millions of us paid attention and now want to know EXACTLY what dissapeared.

Great link! Thank you

reply to post by gavinaskew


Re: Baxter release.

This is very scary. A live vaccine- even as it's being administered (at your local pharmacy, while people wait in line) or while being handled in a lab, etc., is just that: LIVE.

I worked at Baxter (briefly) until I found WHO samples against which we were constructing an assay (ELISA) which were meant to be at -20 degrees F--- and the samples were in the lunch fridge of the lab office. I left for lunch and never returned. They are a shady, irresponsible group- and that's one of the USA affiliates. God only knows what this could cause. I know for a fact one simple thing- after working for them, Abbott, and the Government, in infectious disease, cancer, biodefense and drug development- and having seen 15 years of lying, fudging data and stone cold disregard for life- I will never consume a product they make- nor will I trust the FDA (who approved these things). And anecdotally- many of the FDA auditors of the pharma labs have degrees in English or History- only about 1 in 10 had a science background!
As well- and believe this from one who was there- the concept of "biodefense" is a psych trip. Government labs all over the country are making weaponized strains of everything they can. The US is fully prepared to destroy any and all countries with microbes- take your pick.
Remember the first Anthrax attack on Capitol Hill was domestic- the Ames strain of anthrax- made right here at home.

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reply to post by jfj123


Agree with you completely about self-quarantine.

If I should fall ill, the last thing I would do would be to go out into society and share it. It's bad enough that people go to work when ill with colds and seasonal flu- which makes all sick at the workplace. It's disgusting that people fly when ill- in circulated air. When I travelled for business I started wearing hospital masks to prevent illness, as others would freely travel while ill, and I could not take time off it it were my turn...

I know my family would do the same. In a case like this pandemic it is our fundamental responsibility to sequester ourselves if ill (or.. if ill with anything!.. but, alas, we're too afraid of loosing our jobs...). I agree with you about quarantine. For millenia, it's been shown to be the only method that truly reduces morbidity and mortality. Well said.

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reply to post by mopusvindictus


Good lord- you make your point well- and frighteningly. We don't have kids, but as an aunt, I worry. My friends have all sheepishly complied with the vaccine program and out of about 15 couples, there are 4 cases of autism, 3 congential defects (no doubt due to aspartame, MSG, etc., in the mothers' diets) and every time someone gets pregnant I cringe- rather than rejoice for them- knowing what's coming.

So much for a future if we wipe out our children, eh?

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
I couldn't go to college without my "shots"

Thank you for making my case.
People scream 'I won't take them no matter what'.
But there are ways the gov't can force you.

Kids can't get into school without shots.
If parents dont' get them the shots, the gov't takes the kids away.
They'll say you 'abused or neglected' the kids.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

“I am not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.” - Obama .. Sept 5, 2008

can you tell us, me.. just what this quote means?

is he saying that allowing individuals to select just what immunizations they will take (selective vaccinations)....
might lead to folks not taking the available Plague or Polio or yearly Flu shots or the battery of DPTs et al ....
~ thereby allowing these sickness to flourish and spread ? ~



sorry, i can't determine if he's 'For' or 'Against' vaccinations


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OK, i went & read more replies...
the one by jfj123, #6305012.html
i think spell it out better:

...I would also like to clarify that I am not against all vaccines. I voluntarily go in for my tetanus shot, because I tend to injure myself a lot. I would gladly accept all the recommended vaccines before leaving the country. I just think it should be a choice in all cases. I am not for mandatory anything!

[edit on 15-5-2009 by getreadyalready]


We can absolutely agree on this !!!!
Your last quote sums up EXACTLY how I feel about the whole thing. I do think everyone should take personal responsibility and the government wouldn't have an excuse to mandate vaccinations.

But you are 110% correct. Once our choice is taken from us, we are not Americans anymore

the term 'Selective Vaccination' is a wordy term for freedom-of-choice...

thus if President Obama is Against a 'Freedom-of-Choice' option,
He is then For 'Mandatory Vaccination',
regardless of any individual's health, religious, philosophical, financial considerations...


[edit on 16-5-2009 by St Udio]

Seriously,

I know I can't win or do anything in this society if i fight the vaccine issue, not unless allot of people stand up.

So I have concentrated my efforts into being a sort of expert in detoxification and a few other areas some would.... mmm choose to doubt

regardless,

Knowing how to detoxify is incredibly important in the world we live in, the problem that happens when your not in functioning right in the head is... you dont know because your...not functioning right in the head lol

so it's best to remove it all, regularly

Originally posted by OmegaPoint

The right to the integrity of your physical body against injection should be enshrined in the constitution and in US law.

It already is...

It already is...

Please read the Constitution and Bill of Rights immediately. You are slipping.

reply to post by FlyersFan


And so it begins again- Baxter- of all companies- is working on an H1N1 vaccine for Illinois- and the world. RUN, while there's time::


www.wqad.com...

BTW-

Illinois has other Draconian vaccine laws- for example, the HPV vaccine. Girls must either receive it before entering school, or have "permission' not to have received it. I wonder in whose pocket our senators, governor,
Daley, etc., sit? Merck???????????

www.hslda.org...

reply to post by CultureD


That would be an Unconstitutional Law.

No where in the Constitution does it give anyone the right to violate anyone else's Constitutional Rights.

This is often ignored.

*We are a Republic, not a democracy.
(Democracy: where 51 percent of the people can take away the rights of 49 percent of the people.)

I bet you know what Thomas Jefferson would do to anyone or anything who dare attempt take such action against his person...

[edit on 16-5-2009 by Exuberant1]

I havent had a chance yet to read everyone reply, but I thought I would post my story about GB and the flu shot. I replyed to an older thread that died off so I will just copy and paste it from there.

""Aha, Finally a reason to bring up my story! It's an odd one so I hope I can get a reaction from it. And please try to believe me/

My name is Ryan Pulsifer, I live in Nova Scotia, Canada.
I too, acquired GB after getting a flu shot.
I was diagnosed about a week after getting the vaccine. Because of the rare nature of GB doctors in my rural area were not familiar with the syndrome. I was diagnosed, via spinal tap, about an hour before being rushed to the hospital to be put on life support.
The strange thing about this terrible event in my life is the fact that I acquired the syndrome the morning of my 18th birthday!
I woke up around 8:00 with a tingling sensation in my toes and double vision, I had to wait at the out patient clinic for about 7 hours before they could do anything for me, the nurse just kept pumping me full of morphine to keep me calm as I slowly lost the ability to move.
I was diagnosed with the miller-fisher variant of GB ( a rarer variety). I was given some medicine called IVIG, which took about 5 days to work,
and was on life support for two weeks. I then slowly regained the ability to breathe on my own and some muscle control. after another two weeks of recovery and agony at the rehab I was able to go home.

Oddly enough, a couple days before my birthday I was also diagnosed with bells palsy, which went away once I acquired the GB. The doctors think this along with the flu shot may have triggered the syndrome.

On top of that, the strangeness continues... A few months ago I went back to the same hospital to visit a lady I had heard about who was there suffering with GB. A mother of a 12 month old son, she lives about 5 minutes down the road from my house. She too, was diagnosed with GB on her birthday! (her 31st). The odds of this happening are staggering.

My sense of reality has been shattered since this happened to me, I still don't know what to think.
I have reoccurring nightmares of my time in the hospital. The pain I experienced while my nerves regenerated was so intense I would never wish it on anyone.

From what I have read the odds of getting GB are 250 000- 1 000 000 (seems to vary depending on source) I wish I could calculate what the odds are for something that rare to happen on my 18th birthday. And also, for it to happen to someone so close to me, and on her birthday!... its surreal.
cont.
I forgot to add.
Based on my experience I recently thought that maybe there could have been some sort of environmental cause for my GB? I know that there is a lot of evidence that leans towards the flu shot but the odds of what happened to me and the lady down the road are staggering.

I am anxious to get some feedback and hope to see some contribution.

Thanks! ""
""

Hey! You guys don't mind if I interject some facts into this pathetic hysterical thread?



Vaccines aren't mandatory.

That is just disinformation that school officials push...

When push comes to shove... NO ONE has the authority to force you to get ANY innoculations... Unless YOU are stupid enough to fall for their idiotic arguments.

My personal favorite is when they tell you that you will be aiding in the spread of disease by not getting innoculated...

To which I ALWAYS answer. What are you worried about if you've been innoculated and you're now saved? (Ah... safe! )

Innoculations DO NOT safeguard you from ANY diseases.

If fact, they are the CAUSE of diseases. (Not to mention death (such as SIDS, an extreme form of adverse reaction) as well as extreme immune system adverse reactions such as Gulf War Syndrome and DOZENS of other immune 'diseases' (depending on the symptoms)).

You guys might want to actually TRY to think about the so-called 'swine flu' and understand what is occurring...

And who 'manufactured' this phony pandemic.

Diseases don't cause you to get sick...

You get 'diseases' when you ARE sick.

The allopathic (disease model) is total BS.

reply to post by unityemissions


I agree. And as long as I have a choice, no vaccines for me. I would also be highly p*ssed if I was forced to take a vaccine I didnt want.

I would raise hell!!! =]

reply to post by Snozaz


Snonaz, my wife's story (read earlier post) is very similar to yours. She was diagnosed around her 17th birthday. She had a hepatitis shot and then a short time later a flu shot. She was getting tingling and numbing sensations in her hands and feet, but the doctors didn't know what to make of it. One day in the school hallway people starting asking her why she was walking like that. She hadn't even noticed that she was dragging one leg, and within days she was fully paralyzed. After finally being diagnosed properly, drugs and blood transfusions helped her, and now she is 27 and fully recovered.

Since that time she has been diagnosed with Celiac's disease, another auto-immune disorder and a lot of research says GB and Celiacs are connected. You may want to see a GI specialist and see if you have an allergy to Gluten.

Good luck.