Avoiding the 'mandatory' vaccination ...

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I know this may sound absolutely insane to some people..but...

what if Obama actually CARES and vaccines are a good idea.

No of course not, this is America. No one cares about anything except for mind control lol

If they really "cared" about us, then with a single pen stroke the POTUS could remove the fluoride from the water.

Right!

This issue of making vaccines mandatory, and using scare tactics, statistics taken out of context and used inappropriately to mislead people, as this word wide NAZI FASCIST state is doing, akin to mesmers and magicians that rely on NLP, and misinformation to be peddled by their false media, must be met by non-compliance and our voices.

To begin with, the entire notion of legislation and what is considered to be laws, must be addressed. Most laws are crimes against humanity. As sovereign people, who know that this "law" is a crime, its actually a crime to comply with it. And thats the real laws that have developed historically to protect citizens from injustice and corruption and that have been defined by the courts. It is actually a crime to comply with an unjust law.

Next, and this is really important. I love Max Igan's video here about the codex:


He not only depicts the situation facing us, but goes one step further. He very calmly suggests to us what to do. How to face this. And, to be positive, because in the end, the leaders and the magicians behind the seens already know the fundamental laws of the universe, that our combined thoughts create the reality, so that going about making changes in a fear based manner will only draw more fearful things our way.

The steps are basic and simple, though, I highly recommend watching all 5 videos if you havn't already, because they are very good. The concept of forced vaccination, controlled nutrients, its all rolled up into one, and not so far off topic. The solution to taking our power back is universal, and can applied to every new scenario or law we may face.

They are: turn off the tv. Do not give the mesmers their NLP platform. Talk to others. Recognize how deeply immersed in the false reality they are, so be understanding and don't push it when they get angry, but move onto the next person. Remain open to the fact that when others lead, the sheeple will eventually follow, so the ones initially resisting waking up, will soon change their minds too!

Write to your government officials, (phone as well), and let them no under no circumstances will you comply. The answer is NO! Also, let them know that you are aware that these laws are crimes against humanity and that if they support them, you will be working to ensure they be brought to justice for crimes against humanity.

Organize if possible, peaceful protests.

Most of all, do not comply. This is the part you must understand. Do not comply with the "crime against humanity".

Support each other. Don't just allow for your neighbor to be hauled off. Sign round table agreements to support each other. If one person is messed with, hopefully thousands will all step forward, eventually millions, and say, "we are all in non-compliance. This is a crime,not a law. you have to deal with all of us!" and clog up the legal system. Do this! Support each other.

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reply to post by baseball101


I got my last shot on some day in primary school. Since then nothing and i'm 36 now perfectly fine too!

Ko3

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by jfj123

 

What I'm getting at is that I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is no way to enforce universal, mandatory vaccinations so that "could" not happen. There is simply no way to police 320 million people in the US.

Read the previous posts on the first couple of pages. It is certainly possible to 'force' all 320 million people to do it in case of a pandemic.

Actually there simply is not enough government personnel to force 320 million people to get vaccinations if they didn't want them.

In the case of Florida, anyone exposed or having contact with an exposed person will be given the choice of vaccine or quarantine. Mandatorily administered vaccine or quarantine/jail/FEMA camp for entirety of episode.

Or maybe they'll just be asked to stay home......
Can't put them in jail because they'd expose everyone else in jail (convicts, guards, guards families, support personnel, etc...)

Therefore if you live in a community, go to Wal-mart, go to work, go to school, and several cases are found in the community, it will be vaccine or lock-up.

See above.

I guess you could argue that you have not left your home in several months and could not have been exposed, but effectively you are already locked-up in that case.

Why several months as opposed to 1 week to 10 days? Sounds like you're trying to make this out to be worse then it is.

This is not chicken little,

Yeah it is.

the steps go voluntary, then mandatory for work/school, then mandatory to stay out of quarantine. That is the current law, for current outbreaks, if we face a global killer, the law could get even more restrictive and punitive!

Ok so where are we going to lock up millions of people where they won't infect anyone else? Can't put them in any camps, hospitals, jails, etc... so do we put them on an island and drop food ?

They won't have to lock up 320 million, as 95% will rush to get the vaccine voluntarily,

What makes you say that? So many people now don't want to get vaccinations and fight about it. Let's pick a more realistic number...let's say 75 % get vaccinations. That leaves 80 million who won't for whatever reason. There is simply no way to control even this size of a population who doesn't want to be controlled.

the others will be in small pockets here and there, easily contained. This is not a difficult scenario to envision.

The government had a hard time trying to help katrina victims who numbered in the thousands and those people wanted help. The government had a hard time just housing them.
How do you think the government is going to house millions when they couldn't even effectively house thousands? Just doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I know this may sound absolutely insane to some people..but...

what if Obama actually CARES and vaccines are a good idea.

No of course not, this is America. No one cares about anything except for mind control lol

This is such a reasonable statement, I must give you a star.

Heaven forbid that we accept something that may actually be a good idea.

Good post

reply to post by FlyersFan


To answer the post directly;

The incubation period is 1-3 days after exposure. If a person just "lays low" and isn't the first in line to get the vaccine then you can follow the reports.

If the vaccine is poison you will get some indication by the infection rate, it will follow the areas most heavily vaccinated.

Then if the individual feels that the vaccine is too dangerous to take, some decisions will have to be made.


Personally, I havn't made up my mind what to do. I guess I will just play it "by ear".

reply to post by FlyersFan


Try vaclib.org.

reply to post by jfj123


Thanks for your very organized reply. Sorry I'm not addressing point by point. Just to hit a couple of points though,

The law on the books says "quarantine," you are correct to mention that could be in our own homes, but it is still a restriction of your very basic rights.

When it comes to mandatory vaccination 95% is already a conservative number. The amount of people who choose to keep their children from being vaccinated is actually less than 1%.
www.msnbc.msn.com...
Flu vaccine is a different story for now, but if it becomes mandatory it will have approximately the same amount of participation.

We currently house approximately 1% of the population behind bars. Add in the assistance of National Guard, Military, or FEMA camps and the physical challenge of containing several million people does not seem insurmountable.
www.washingtonpost.com...

And finally, I am not playing chicken little. I don't think there will be mass imprisonment, or martial law, but it is certainly a possibility that has been discussed by the government, and laws put into affect to expedite the process.

The point of my post was to make sure everyone is aware that mass vaccinations with punitive consequences are already part of the existing emergency plan for a pandemic. Mandatory vaccination will come in small increments, and most people will comply, others will be chastised by their doctors or ridiculed by their peers until they comply, and the few that are left will be easy to contain.

I would also like to clarify that I am not against all vaccines. I voluntarily go in for my tetanus shot, because I tend to injure myself a lot. I would gladly accept all the recommended vaccines before leaving the country. I just think it should be a choice in all cases. I am not for mandatory anything!

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They aren't going to come to your house and force a needle into you. Just don't go out and get the vaccine, period.

What a bunch of chumpstains with this virus and the response.

Repeat. What a bunch of chumpstains.

Worthless bunch of M/Fers.

I some how got out of having the vaccines necessary to enter high school. I just skipped out on it that day and never had to get it. I will also be doing the same thing before I go to college...Havent had shots since I was 5! I hate them.

I think I will be going by hear say and wait about three days after people start getting the shot to see the outcome of what happens to them. The outcome should be more than enough for me to come to a conclusion as to if I get the shot or let any loved ones take it as well.

Thank you for posting this- we have all been discussing the possiblity of a mandatory vaccine, or else face felony charges or internment.

I assume that if this were to happen there will be no exemptions for religious groups who refuse medical care, etc.

It's also possible that if there are dissenters, or if there are not enough military personnel to enforce the "law" the Government can use Chemtrails to disseminate the vaccine, so those of us who breathe will be vaccinated.

My family and I will NOT take the vaccine. Nor will we take anti-virals. Apart from the preparedness checklist, does anyone have any ideas about some kind of social engineering method to get around this? I'm not above identity theft, etc., in this case- and this is coming from one who has a spotless record, etc.

Thanks for this info. God bless us all.


BTW, I'm NOT advocating breaking the law in a malignant fashion- I merely ask if there's anything we can do to protect ourselves from wearing a band on our arms.... thanks for understanding my intent.

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reply to post by Mindmelding


Mindmelding-

I wonder if the Government has taken into account the percentage of the population who are peaceful intellects, and yet dissenters, who would resort to violence in the face of mandatory vaccinations ( like all of us here), if we were forced to make that unfortunate choice.

I am as peaceful as anyone could be- to a limit--, and yet I would choose anyone over myself of my family in that event. This portion of the population whom all believe are peaceful questioners may be a real fly in "their" ointment.

As well- how many troops are in the US, for example, who would enforce this? They're all in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, PI, or Bethesda. I don't see enough manpower to enforce this- and I can't imagine how they will respond when we resist....

And if it comes to a choice of vaccine or felony- I'll take the mark on my record. I don't even have a speeding ticket, but I'm not afraid of a big bad wolf "felony" for refusing poison. In fact, I'd be proud to resist. And if they try to round us up- well- that happened before, and I won't let my grandmother down- she made it to Canada, and lost everyone else in her Hungarian family. I'll follow her example and dissapear with an anglo name and a P.O box.

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reply to post by opal13


i have found some articles you may be interested in-

baxter product

cia link to swine flu 1971

baxter product 2

missing disease samples

strange how the mainstream media are covering this

reply to post by conjure314


Conjure-

We were just discusing the "semantics" of "curing" diesease vs. "managing" disease. It's not just cancer here in the Us of A-have you heard the FDA is suing Cheerios for claiming that whole wheat can reduce cholesterol, becuase cereal is not a "drug"? As well, the blood levels of cholesterol that are the "guidelines" right now are some 400 points lower than in the '70s, when statins hadn't been invented (which, in cutting of the biosynthetic pathway of cholesterol, also cut off CoQ10 production, hormones, and about 100 other CRITICAL molecules for life). The pharmas here want to keep us ill- plain and simple.

Is there ANY place on Earth where we are safe from this insanity? Will I be arrested for posting that Slippery Elm, Q10, Vit D, C, A and E, as well as plant sterols, green tea, garlic, tannins in berries and red wine- etc., all help kill microbes and boost the immune reponse?

BTW, Slippery Elm WORKS- the Native Americans used it for hundreds of years, as did the American Colonialists- without it, there would be no USA-

So- here goes- take the above- eat a largely veg. diet full of beans, rice, raw veg, a small amount or organic meat (if desired), sleep well and use soap and water to wash, rather than these anti-bacterial hand cleaning crap- they contain Triclosan, which breaks down to Dioxin and will kill you faster than any flu.

Phew...

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reply to post by FlyersFan


"Mandatory". I need to digest that word for a while.

We don't have kids, but all of my friends have- I have begged and pleaded that they "become" Hindu or Jehovah's Witnessess or something and forgo vaccines so their kids can go to school w/o shots. Same for my nieces and nephews. I'm met with anger, avoidance, more anger and finally, loss of friends. Many are 20+ year friends.

When the autumn comes I will not have the vaccine, nor will my family. I'm saddened but I know my choice is correct.

I used to get flu shots during college, but stopped many years ago. I had one last year before a business trip to Asia- I was sick for two weeks. I had the Hep B vaccine ten years ago as I worked with blood-borne paths in the lab. I was sick for months. I will never take another vaccine again. I would rather stay in my peaceful house, use the herbs and supplements that I know work- as a chemist!- and que sera.....

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reply to post by FlyersFan


Guillan Barre is as bad as MS; far worse than flu and can kill or leave a patient with permanent neurological damage. It is a terrible side effect of flu vaccines- and another example of why we should all eschew the needle.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Thank God you're teaching your kids well. Bravo!