US Torture (warning, graphic)

reply to post by DohBama


Yes, lots of evil things produce quick results. So lets just be evil?

I imagine your words or similar are used in many terrorist training camps in order to sooth away the last pangs of conscience of the new generations of Islamic terrorists.

[edit on 24-4-2009 by Malcram]

Oh please, this is not torture in the classical sense of the term, which IS obviously how you are attempting to portray it. What is so wrong with humiliating insurgent combatants, and smacking around a few terrorists? Your lack of fortitude in regards to the "roughing up" which many of our MIL personnel have taken part in, truly displays your lack of understanding of the cultures of those whom we are currently waging war against.

These individuals are not your average criminals, and they do not understand nor respect the same basic principles which we typically apply towards arrested and incarcerated people. In their society, beatings are commonplace, while sympathy, empathy, and "soft" treatments are seen as weaknesses, and thus laughed upon.

I have plenty of close friends and acquaintances who hail from the regions where these terror suspects emanate from, and you obviously, and utterly lack even the most basic of knowledge behind the culture and society which harbors such evil.

Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by DohBama

 

Yes, lots of evil things produce quick results. So lets just be evil?

If we wanted to attain quick information, in only a matter of days, and thus not face the necessity of water boarding a suspect over 100 times, we could simply begin by pulling fingernails and cutting off limbs. We obviously do not take part in such activities however, and thus we must wear the suspects down over a more prolonged time period. Psychological depravations take longer to produce results as opposed to Physical torture, and thus our elongated enhanced interrogations prove that we do not partake in actual torture.

reply to post by Malcram



i forgot to mention that they also believe that mean = evil.

liberals couldnt be more wrong, the term 'useful idiots' couldnt be more apt.

when god flooded the earth and killed all those humans, sparing noah's and some animals, was very mean indeed.

when a lion kills a helpless young antelope, that is also unpleasant, and mean.

but evil?

predators are evil? god is evil?

the truth is, that stupidity and ignorance are truly evil, as evidenced by the resutls. they speak for themselves.

so, we will sacrifice american citizens upon the altar of the liberal assumption that mean is wrong and evil.

like i said, evil is just the opposite. political correctness assists the jihad like no suicide bomber could ever hope for.

torture and waterboarding were just dandy with pelosi and her ilk before, but now suddenly it is fashionable to weaken the united states like no other government has before.

the enemy has infiltrated our offices of power, aided and abeted by the mainstream media who continues to serve as the state propaganda outlet.

its a dark time indeed. i wonder if the states will survive this internal coup detat?

Umm....where is the torture?
Most of the pictures are of people who are blindfolded and tied up for transportation or just sitting on the ground.

Oh, the humanity.

The other pictures show some of the terrorists naked!

Oh, the humanity.

There are a few other pictures where you don't even know who is in the picture or who is holding them. It could be any picture from anyone.

Other pictures look like fraternity pranks.

Oh, the humanity.

Give me a break with all this torture crap!!
Real torture is actually hurting someone permanently like breaking of bones, chopping off heads, sticking bamboo under the fingernails, burning people and hanging them from bridges, etc.

This entire subject and thread is nothing but propaganda.

[edit on 4/24/2009 by WhatTheory]

Originally posted by HulaAnglers

Originally posted by Divinorumus
If these creeps had murdered your son or daughter in cold blood, would you still weep for these sacks of scum?

I think this whole deal is insane I do not believe sadists and deceivers have a right to life - I wish them ALL off the Planet!!!


[edit on 24-4-2009 by HulaAnglers]

But who decides who is a deceiver or a sadist or a terrorist???

No, the only answer is no torture, no murder. We become what we are chasing down and then are no better.

Killing is wrong and so is torture... for any reason. Nothing justifies it... nothing. Not even the murder of my own family. Life is sacred to me and I will go to my grave protecting it. I will not fight death with more death. All that equation gives you is more death... and then only death wins.

You fight it with life, love, and by living the example.

It sucks but honestly... those pics are pretty tame. Humans have and do inflict so much more on eachother than any of that the US is doing there. You can find much worse in the bible even.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen


What is so wrong with humiliating insurgent combatants, and smacking around a few terrorists? Your lack of fortitude in regards to the "roughing up" which many of our MIL personnel have taken part in, truly displays your lack of understanding of the cultures of those whom we are currently waging war against.

Humiliating? Dehumanizing. The problem with dehumanizing people is that you have to dehumanize yourself in order to carry it out. And who says they are "terrorists" or "insurgents". That's as ridiculous a comment as "what the problem with drowning a few witches", which was done supposedly to find out if they were witches. They have not had a trial so have not been determined to be terrorists.

I have plenty of close friends and acquaintances who hail from the regions where these terror suspects emanate from, and you obviously, and utterly lack even the most basic of knowledge behind the culture and society which harbors such evil

"It's the only language they understand" right? Yes, the Romans justified their worldwide Empire with the exact same sentiments, and how they justified using the "savage" citizens of these "backward" nation in the their Arenas where they watched their torture and death for sport. I'm reminded of grinning soldiers, giving the thumbs up to the savage abuse of their prisoners and of those here who exclaimed "Good!" at the pictures of US forces torturing foreigners. Thin end of the same sick wedge.

[edit on 24-4-2009 by Malcram]

reply to post by Alienmojo



killing is wrong, which means killing is evil and mean.

like killing in self defense.

making those who have information spill the beans, in order to save american lives is mean, evil and wrong.

allowing people who mean to do us harm to get away with it is not mean, after all, we americans deserve to be slaughtered, and jihadis probably have a good reason, right?

stopping them is oppression, and by definition 'mean', right?

remember kids, electing liberals has consequences.

reply to post by DohBama


The problem with your argument is the assumption that the people being tortured are terrorists.



[edit on 24-4-2009 by Malcram]

Originally posted by Malcram
Humiliating? Dehumanizing. The problem with dehumanizing people is that you have to dehumanize yourself in order to carry it out.

another wrong assumption, thus your point of view is fundamentally flawed.

And who says they are "terrorists" or "insurgents". That's as ridiculous a comment as "what the problem with drowing a few witches"

terrorists are people who do what terrorists do. in your view, is anyone really a terrorist? i bet not.

these 'terrorists' have been ordered to fight until all religion is for allah. period.

their god demands this of them.

these arent your typical criminals who knock over a liquor store... being so knowledgeable about other cultures, i'm surprised you arent awre of the difference.

Yes Divinorumus it is your right to demand that these horrible acts are committed, and that one can sanction them for all those suspected of terrorism. I would ask you...what is the definition of terrorism? Do you know? Perhaps you can also define what a terrorist act is? Do you think the U.S. has ever committed a terrorist act?

Rage and anger, and the desire to inflict pain upon a human before understanding the situation is not uncommon. But through the use of critical thinking and educating oneself, it becomes apparent that little is gained from such desires. Do you know how many of the Abu Ghraib prisoners were released without charges? Do you know how many of the Guantanamo prisoners were released without charges? Many, if not most, were innocent civilians who were subjected to horrible things.

I wonder how those that wish undue harm to those they do not even know, or know about, would feel if innocently persecuted, or if a family member were persecuted. We live in extraordinary times, and things are not always as they seem. Face value is fleeting. Once one begins to understand this, one does not see any benefit in the destruction of human life and other forms of natural life.

I wish you well divinorumus.

Originally posted by Divinorumus
If these creeps had murdered your son or daughter in cold blood, would you still weep for these sacks of scum? Torture not only can extract information, it serves as a deterrent to those that are thinking about committing cold blooded murder in the future. Let those pictures serve as a warning to others that think they have nothing to fear or loose when they murder the innocent in the name of whatever b.s. they believe and feel justifies their acts and actions.

More pictures to be release, eh? GOOD!

[edit on 24-4-2009 by Divinorumus]

Don't worry, I have a feelin we will be attacked again and I bet these liberals will be singin a different tone.

Anyone trying to defend torture or condone it's use is a sick, twisted #.

reply to post by PullThePin


Tell me now how would you get info out of terrorist??

Originally posted by Dark Jester
reply to post by PullThePin

 

Tell me now how would you get info out of terrorist??

Did you even read this comment above?

Do you know how many of the Abu Ghraib prisoners were released without charges? Do you know how many of the Guantanamo prisoners were released without charges? Many, if not most, were innocent civilians who were subjected to horrible things.

Innocents are being tortured. You're falsely calling these innocent torture victims "terrorists".


[edit on 24-4-2009 by Malcram]

Originally posted by PullThePin
Anyone trying to defend torture or condone it's use is a sick, twisted #.

Nobody here is defending torture.
Some people have a different opinion of what torture actually is and waterboarding is NOT one of them. Neither are most of the pictures.

Originally posted by Malcram

Originally posted by Dark Jester
reply to post by PullThePin

 

Tell me now how would you get info out of terrorist??

Did you even read this comment above?

Do you know how many of the Abu Ghraib prisoners were released without charges? Do you know how many of the Guantanamo prisoners were released without charges? Many, if not most, were innocent civilians who were subjected to horrible things.

Innocents are being tortured.

Who says there innocent? Obama?

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by PullThePin
Anyone trying to defend torture or condone it's use is a sick, twisted #.

Nobody here is defending torture.
Some people have a different opinion of what torture actually is and waterboarding is NOT one of them. Neither are most of the pictures.

Sure they are. Plenty of people just on the first page. The guy who said we should "amend the Constitution and get to work" is just one.

Originally posted by Dark Jester
reply to post by PullThePin

 

Tell me now how would you get info out of terrorist??

Torture is not a reliable method to obtain information. Like has been said before, people will say anything to get the torture to stop.