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n120by60w,awsome closure,I love the overlapping maps idea,I believe that it is an accurate way of providing "proof"of the possibility that anomolys exist,and that in turn opens up the possibility that any of the realities you just listed also exists.The maps are existential "proof"that there is a real possibility that these things exist and this in itself without any further "proof"is enough to force non or dis believers to open up their minds.

If you have already overlapped these maps ,would you be able to post this data,I believe you 100% but I have made claims like this in the past and have realised that the data I "had"wasnt anywhere to be found and due to the sometimes lengthy amounts of time spent on initial research I become reluctant to repeat the task so I never do post my original findings and I hope that the readers follow up.I have learned that the extra time is a dealbreaker with a lot of people.

You may want to look into the compatability of bovine/human dna and note that the most current research focuses on the nasal tissues,I can tell you that this is why cattle are mutilated near abduction areas,its all there,one of the top researchers also lives near me,but to really ice the cake,this researcher also grew up several kilometers away from the place I was abducted from as a child,we both now live very far from our original meeting place.

Why not toss two bones,the craft that we are trying to "catch"will never be caught with sheer power,this is because of the method they use to defeat physics.The russians developed a torpedo that was an incredible magnitude of speed faster than the best American or Chineese torpedos.This torpedo travells in a bubble of gas which allows it to defeat conventional physics by "hiding in zero point".Zero point happens to be the exact spot where two different forms of matter interact or meet,every time two forms of matter meet there is a "zero point",this is also how the coral castle and other huge monolithic things were built in some not all cases.


If you take the PRINCIPALS that the russians used and creatively apply them to the problem our FASTEST AIRCRAFT have keeping up to their targets in the skys and PRESTO you have solved the problem,PLEASE SIMPLY SUBSTITUTE AIR FOR WATER AND OUR PLANES FOR THE OLD TORPEDOS.

I apologise for not posting the exact sites I got my data from but I assure you that any of the top ten google hits will suffice ,dont reject data simply because it was googled, where do you think ALL OF THE MOST CURRENT TEACHING MATERIAL PROVIDED TO THE BEST LEARNING INSTITUTIONS ON THE PLANET IS POSTED?Thats right ,on the net,accessible by,google.

It might also be fun to overlap those maps with one of all abductions reported,then that map with all sightings reported[this gives us their travel routes which I have already explained elsewhere are dictated to them by NATURAL factors related to our earth like we have to avoid mountains there are things they have to avoid as well],then we can overlapp these maps with one of all reported cattle abductions and abra-ca-dabra we can all say case closed.

SERIOUSLY,this is my small contribution,this suggestion to overlap all these maps,and I would like to see one of the stronger skeptics do the legwork for once.In my case I have a dream book I keep by my bed so I can quickly write down terminology so I dont forget it.Places,theories, ect. this is what led me to ATS.I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE FOR TWO DAYS OR STUDY SCIENCE OR GENETICS FOR TWENTY OR THIRTY YEARS,THATS WHAT THE INTERNET IS FOR ITS A TOOL,I am given the keys in my dreams and by simply googeling for ten minutes I find the exact INFORMATION I WAS DIRECTED TO MAINLY IN TEXTBOOKS OR IN ALREADY ACCEPTED STUDYS.

I have an immunity to the time/life sapping doubts or questions if you will,I dont find I need to pick up every piece of popcorn along the trail,I am gifted keys in my sleep, and I make absolutely confident leaps in my acceptance of the possible realities I have to choose from every day without doubting myself or the source of the data,simply because I believe WE ARE ALL BORN WITH ALL THE THINGS I DREAM OF ALREADY PROGRAMMED INTO OUR DNA,WE ARE ALL BORN AND CREATED EQUAL,our differences are only a matter of how much of our potential we have been able to unlock from within the mental vault "someone" has kept us in.

Either way ,I dream of things I can prove,so what?others can do it to,whats the big deal?

This is disclosure my friends and I am starting to believe that it is a belief based process,if you cant even open your mind up to the possibility then you cannot EXIST in this POSSIBLE reality,and if this reality becomes a numerical majority in the thoughts of humanity it will physically occur or come to be,because we collectively create our reality every single second.

This could be a way to seperate the"good"from the "evil" or some other such nonsense,but it could also definately be a terminal condition if you dont even have the ability to CHOOSE A REALITY OR PERSPECTIVE THAT WILL IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLY MAKE YOU EXTINCT---because IF THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY CAN SEE THE POSSIBILITY YOU WILL BE LIKE THE DINOSAURS.

Sometimes you have to fight to remain alive and this is one of the battles we sometimes face,becoming unable to remain openminded enough to stay in step with the currently accepted "majority"perspective.

This is why our lives can seemingly change in an instant,we think its an instant because we fell out of step and we rae simply "forgotten"and our participation in the "majority"perspective or reality ENDS.

This is why only education of the masses immediatly via cell phones or laptops is critical and we are running out of time.I'm serious,airdrop billions around the world so we can all REALLY SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO US WITHOUT STATE CENSORSHIP OR CORPORATE CENSORSHIP.

The world will change only then when "critical mass"of educated "real time informed" humans exists on earth.Then the change will seem like that :second it takes for it to all change"for the despots and the hurtful humans on our planet.

Sorry to go so off topic but I am an abductee,and I am serious about what I have brought to the chat so I feel somehow validated in my little detour..

n120by60w,awsome closure,I love the overlapping maps idea,I believe that it is an accurate way of providing "proof"of the possibility that anomolys exist,and that in turn opens up the possibility that any of the realities you just listed also exists.The maps are existential "proof"that there is a real possibility that these things exist and this in itself without any further "proof"is enough to force non or dis believers to open up their minds.

If you have already overlapped these maps ,would you be able to post this data,I believe you 100% but I have made claims like this in the past and have realised that the data I "had"wasnt anywhere to be found and due to the sometimes lengthy amounts of time spent on initial research I become reluctant to repeat the task so I never do post my original findings and I hope that the readers follow up.I have learned that the extra time is a dealbreaker with a lot of people.

You may want to look into the compatability of bovine/human dna and note that the most current research focuses on the nasal tissues,I can tell you that this is why cattle are mutilated near abduction areas,its all there,one of the top researchers also lives near me,but to really ice the cake,this researcher also grew up several kilometers away from the place I was abducted from as a child,we both now live very far from our original meeting place.

Why not toss two bones,the craft that we are trying to "catch"will never be caught with sheer power,this is because of the method they use to defeat physics.The russians developed a torpedo that was an incredible magnitude of speed faster than the best American or Chineese torpedos.This torpedo travells in a bubble of gas which allows it to defeat conventional physics by "hiding in zero point".Zero point happens to be the exact spot where two different forms of matter interact or meet,every time two forms of matter meet there is a "zero point",this is also how the coral castle and other huge monolithic things were built in some not all cases.


If you take the PRINCIPALS that the russians used and creatively apply them to the problem our FASTEST AIRCRAFT have keeping up to their targets in the skys and PRESTO you have solved the problem,PLEASE SIMPLY SUBSTITUTE AIR FOR WATER AND OUR PLANES FOR THE OLD TORPEDOS.

I apologise for not posting the exact sites I got my data from but I assure you that any of the top ten google hits will suffice ,dont reject data simply because it was googled, where do you think ALL OF THE MOST CURRENT TEACHING MATERIAL PROVIDED TO THE BEST LEARNING INSTITUTIONS ON THE PLANET IS POSTED?Thats right ,on the net,accessible by,google.

It might also be fun to overlap those maps with one of all abductions reported,then that map with all sightings reported[this gives us their travel routes which I have already explained elsewhere are dictated to them by NATURAL factors related to our earth like we have to avoid mountains there are things they have to avoid as well],then we can overlapp these maps with one of all reported cattle abductions and abra-ca-dabra we can all say case closed.

SERIOUSLY,this is my small contribution,this suggestion to overlap all these maps,and I would like to see one of the stronger skeptics do the legwork for once.In my case I have a dream book I keep by my bed so I can quickly write down terminology so I dont forget it.Places,theories, ect. this is what led me to ATS.I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE FOR TWO DAYS OR STUDY SCIENCE OR GENETICS FOR TWENTY OR THIRTY YEARS,THATS WHAT THE INTERNET IS FOR ITS A TOOL,I am given the keys in my dreams and by simply googeling for ten minutes I find the exact INFORMATION I WAS DIRECTED TO MAINLY IN TEXTBOOKS OR IN ALREADY ACCEPTED STUDYS.

I have an immunity to the time/life sapping doubts or questions if you will,I dont find I need to pick up every piece of popcorn along the trail,I am gifted keys in my sleep, and I make absolutely confident leaps in my acceptance of the possible realities I have to choose from every day without doubting myself or the source of the data,simply because I believe WE ARE ALL BORN WITH ALL THE THINGS I DREAM OF ALREADY PROGRAMMED INTO OUR DNA,WE ARE ALL BORN AND CREATED EQUAL,our differences are only a matter of how much of our potential we have been able to unlock from within the mental vault "someone" has kept us in.

Either way ,I dream of things I can prove,so what?others can do it to,whats the big deal?

This is disclosure my friends and I am starting to believe that it is a belief based process,if you cant even open your mind up to the possibility then you cannot EXIST in this POSSIBLE reality,and if this reality becomes a numerical majority in the thoughts of humanity it will physically occur or come to be,because we collectively create our reality every single second.

This could be a way to seperate the"good"from the "evil" or some other such nonsense,but it could also definately be a terminal condition if you dont even have the ability to CHOOSE A REALITY OR PERSPECTIVE THAT WILL IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLY MAKE YOU EXTINCT---because IF THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY CAN SEE THE POSSIBILITY YOU WILL BE LIKE THE DINOSAURS.

Sometimes you have to fight to remain alive and this is one of the battles we sometimes face,becoming unable to remain openminded enough to stay in step with the currently accepted "majority"perspective.

This is why our lives can seemingly change in an instant,we think its an instant because we fell out of step and we rae simply "forgotten"and our participation in the "majority"perspective or reality ENDS.

This is why only education of the masses immediatly via cell phones or laptops is critical and we are running out of time.I'm serious,airdrop billions around the world so we can all REALLY SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO US WITHOUT STATE CENSORSHIP OR CORPORATE CENSORSHIP.

The world will change only then when "critical mass"of educated "real time informed" humans exists on earth.Then the change will seem like that :second it takes for it to all change"for the despots and the hurtful humans on our planet.

Sorry to go so off topic but I am an abductee,and I am serious about what I have brought to the chat so I feel somehow validated in my little detour..

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n120by60w:

Make sure you clean the Dash board switch's, your shifter & steering wheel.
After they are clean wipe them down again with light bleach water solition.
If you are a hauler.
Heven knows what you had in the trailer. Have Truck wash clean it out.
We use those tools every day.
We have to take care of them.
We depend on them to take care of us.
When we are on the road a lot some times it gets over looked.

PS - Have you been to Alamogordo, Santa Fe, Dulce area with your truck?
Have you been to the Navajo Res or the Petrogliphs on Serria Blonka?

To answer your first question, I did that. The semi was a total wreck a few weeks later, I was able to clean it out, the company I drove for stole it from the wrecker yard. (I owed but two payments on it, about $750) The next day, the truck mysteriously disappeared from their locked yard. The company president stated this in open court, and showed a police report.

To answer your next question, I hauled mostly high fructose heavy and light corn oil. soy sauce, animal fat, such as chicken and beef, and pork, chemicals for pharm. companies, such as Ross Labs, and food plants such as General Mills, Kellogs, Pepsi Bottling, Coca Cola, and even dog food plants. I remember one load that was insured for 1 million dollars, I had to take out special insurance to be able to broker lease the load. All loads were loaded inside, and sealed and locked at point of origin. I saw a lot of very strange stuff out there on the road.

I have never been to the places you mentioned, my OP area was 42 States, the entire East Coast, and the lower States. I have been as far north as Traverse City, Mi., as far South as the Gulf, as far West as L.A., and all points in between. Every thing I saw, for the most part, was through a semi wind shield, which leaves much to be desired.

Not trying to push this thread, but didn't want to start a new one. I think it happened again last night. I had a dream? or maybe an out of body experience. I was on a table and could not move. There was a device holding my head in place, and some kind of earphones on both ears. I was trying to listen to the sounds coming into my ears, but the headphones, if that's what they were, hurt my ears a lot, and I fought them, trying to get off the table. when I woke up, I have these little scratches on both ears, and my head is bruised on both temples. I cannot remember what it was I heard....and don't even know what happened exactly. The dream seemed so real, and my wife says I tossed and turned all night last night, until about 3:00 am, then she remembers nothing until we both woke up at 11:00. Is anyone else having these experiences, or is it just me?

What I saw on my son, and indications are strong on my friend as well, was something on his head. He has little wounds frequently on the top and back on on both sides. He's had them since he was at least around 10-12, his older brother too. And my friend has wounds down his head to neck. My friend pulled two wires out of the wound on his neck about 5/8" long.

Are people being hardwired to something? If so why?

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I'm not for sure. There has to be a reason for anything they might do. This is theory only, but I think many people are being used as repositories for information, to retrieved at a later time, and are being tagged so they can easily be found again. I have a feeling of a covert action on the part of some of the alien beings that are here watching us. Some have talked about aliens wanting to control our souls, and this may be so, but it also stands to reason that some others would want us to be free. By the way, isn't this supposed to be that day of something big? (May 26) Someone posted this, there was a video on the History Channel website, but I failed to find it today.

Has anyone noticed the sky of late? It seems like [they] are attempting to hide something from us all. I haven't really seen the stars for days now. Is Planet X coming into view? I have a friend who lives in Alaska, and she tells me she can see something right beside the rising Sun every morning. I am certain some of you have seen the many posts on this. Has anyone considered the ramifications of the Annunaki coming back here? The last time they were here, people worshipped them as Gods, will this be repeated in the near future? Will the Annunaki make an attempt to repair the problems they caused before? I have many questions, and very few answers. I am also sure I am one of many here who has this problem.

Autowrench,I believe you are bang on about the repository theory ,I feel the exact same way .

I believe that there is a joint effort by a group of human races who are simply trying to seed a specific number of "smart cells" in geographic areas that will at some point be areas of high survivability in the near future,I say near future because I believe the implanting was done in order to achieve a task specific result ,or,in other words to achieve full "value for their expenditure of resources"WHATEVER THE ULTIMATE AGENDA ,IT MUST BE ACHIEVED AT SOME POINT DURING THE NATURAL LIFESPAN OF THE MEDIAN OR AVERAGE ABDUCTEE.

Ask a supreme court judge how to suture shut the gash on your leg or deliver a ladys baby,ask a computer tech how to start a fire in the rain,ask a plumber how to make pennicillan,you get the idea, I believe that a constantly-lifelong well read and cross-cross-cross trained individual could carry the potential to re-start an entire society on their own or re-teach extremely important theories in a proufoundly more efficient wat than say one hundred seperately trained specialists.

The value,just imagine the value of say ten or twenty of these people in noahs ark is what I am trying to say.

Originally posted by one4all
"WHATEVER THE ULTIMATE AGENDA ,IT MUST BE ACHIEVED AT SOME POINT DURING THE NATURAL LIFESPAN OF THE MEDIAN OR AVERAGE ABDUCTEE.

A more efficient way than say one hundred separately trained specialists.

The value,just imagine the value of say ten or twenty of these people in Noah's ark is what I am trying to say.

Wow.

Nice reply. Meaty thoughts. Very well thought out & expressed.
One4all keep it coming.....

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hey all

i've found alot of the stuff here very helpful and has allowed me to take a step back and get some perspective. this all seems strange to me and i'm still not quite over the denial

well, i am 18yrs old and at the beging of the year i started to remember a heep of strange dreams and experinces of see these beings and being abducted.

lol, man this is harder than i thought it would be

scince about the age of 4 i've seen these beings in my room and standing over my bed. i've always been afrad of the dark so i've always dismissed them as dreams or delusions. but i guess i can't do that now

anyway i don't want to get into my experiences right now because i'm have i lot more dificulty than i thought i would but i do have some drawing of some of them i've seen while i was definataly a wake. maybe you guys will recognise them or maybe i realy am delusional, ether way i want to know more about them

Drawings

thx

RocNinja,I encourage you to post anything that your instinct tells you to share with the world and to not be intimidated by the difficulty you may have when you first begin to connect random or seemingly unrelated dreams or memories.Dont doubt yourself ,just keep communicating things as they are put together by your mind,dont set your mind on identifiing a pattern because there probably wont be one at first,just let the information or memories flow out how they want and they will come together.You are young enough to relate to the Terminator science fiction movies,so remember the second one where the bad cat is a silver shiny guy that can dissolve himself into a puddle of liquid metal and then reform as a solid shaoe??This is what your seemingly random thoughts or memories will do if you just let the information flow out in the order it chooses.

Good luck,and please keep posting.

For the people who have experienced abductions in their bedrooms: read Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural". It is about his work on the theories that the shamans and other people actually visit another realm or dimension. He also hypothesizes that one out of one hundred people may be able to have the experience without the aid of any type of drug or other enhancement. There are allegedly three million people who may have this ability in the United States alone.

Reading the book, I was blown away by Mr Hancock's experiences with his trips to the Otherworld. Another words, it may not be aliens, but supernatural beings. They may take on the form of aliens (as some of Mr Hancock's did), but they are very real.

I am tossing out my sleep hypnosis claims after reading that book. Highly recommended and written by an acclaimed person who thoroughly researches his material.

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Did you ever notice them waving at you ?

Or if you did something they would copy you for example you smile they smile you move your head left to right and so do they ?

Take care.

Regards
Lee

Hey again

thanx for the suportting words and i hope that i will be able to post my experences once i work through them.

Did you ever notice them waving at you ?

to be honest i tried my best not to notice them, however there was one that i've seen at least twice that was very bazar. he would mouth the words that he spoke tellapathicly (at a least made it seem like he was), i don't know if thats what you meant?

also a question for n120by60w, you mentioned some thing about mold (or was it moss?) could you give some more details on why that is? what you said got me thinking that the only place ive seen mold in my home is on the top of the windowcil above my bed?! its proberly nothing but i've checked the whole house and its no were else (my brothers bed is under a window to, so if it was from conensation of my breath in the winter then wouldn't it be there too?)

Thnx again

Originally posted by RokNinja
Hey again

thanx for the suportting words and i hope that i will be able to post my experences once i work through them.

Did you ever notice them waving at you ?

question for n120by60w

you mentioned some thing about mold (or was it moss?) could you give some more details on why that is? what you said got me thinking that the only place ive seen mold in my home is on the top of the windowcil above my bed?! its proberly nothing but i've checked the whole house and its no were else (my brothers bed is under a window to, so if it was from conensation of my breath in the winter then wouldn't it be there too?)

Thnx again

Mold only sometimes!

It looks like there is some type of Acidity shift
to soil & things around an abduction site.
I think this is a natural effect of the craft or portal moving threw the area.

It may effect soil, plants, paint, what ever.
I do not believe it is Malicious.

I have personally witnessed these after effects.

They appear sometimes over time.

Like over months/years the soil shift might cause a ring of moss or fungus to form. This is a symptom not the cause. Moss likes acid soil. The acidly can & usually will last until it is treated with lime.

This is not to say that a leaking roof, excessive humidity or condensation are not going to cause mold to form naturally. This is much different.

We in the last post were speaking about a small blistering on the hands or fingers after an abduction. I just wanted to make sure that the readers used every possible approach to cure their skin problems. Cleaning up frequently is the best solution from it comeing back from any cause.

A teaspoon of bleach in a 1/2 gallon of water.
Cleaning frequently touched objects can stop re spreading what ever is happening. I would not want to carry this to extremes though.

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One caution.

If you begin to see animals with a

"bright blue" or "blue green" like hair fungus on there skin

take all measures to aviod touching the poor creature.

Get a Picture if you want.
But
Call MUFON right now.
Trust them to deal with it & then drop it like a rock.

I had 2 such occurrences.

One was a live toad in my closed crawl space after a series of abductions.
He was pathtic.
Alive but just bearly.
The fungus was all over his back.

Another seprate insident
was the next day just after a abduction.
I was in public & working with a cround of customers outdoors.

I noticed on the lower surface of the tarp of the overhead canopy.
There was the largest bottle fly I have ever seen.
It was just hanging upside down walking on the tarp.
Normal but it looked as if it had tiny little blue green antlers.

All & All
I find with every thing that I have seen
This has to be one of the strangest.
It was in the middle of a large crowd....

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I don't know why I am lead to say this but

Remember above all
All we are responceable for is to...

Take One right step at a time.
If there are no right steps.
Sit.
We do not have to do anything until a good step presents itself.

Under no circumstances
Is there anything or anyone
That we should allow ourselves to be provoked
to anything our than love of pity.

We may just be there as a righteous witness.
The weight of any wrong should be born by those perpetrating it.
If we are provoked we then take on that tear able weight on ourselves.

Respectfully,
Watcher

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Hey all

Mold only sometimes!

Thanx for clarifing about that, is not some thing i'm worried about i just found it curious that i've only found it in the one place.

anyways, i feel like i should post a dream i had the other night, i'm not sure what to think of it so i just try to give as much detail as i can remember. (sorry if i'm being bothersome)

i dreamt that i was outside my grandmothers house and on a table next to me that was a cage with a white rabbit inside (i don't think the rabbit had any importance but its the reason i remembered the dream at all). i toke the rabbit out of the cage and carried it in my arms, but it kept tring to escape and i had to chace it to make sure it didn't get away. once i had managed to catch it agian a car pulled up to the front of the house (i can't remember what happened to the rabbit but i think it just disapeared). i waked up to the car and i got in the back seat (the door opened and closed itseld) and it began to dive. their was noone else in the car but i didn't even question how it was moving with no one driving. i began to feel tierd and the chair reclined untill i was lying flat on my back (the lighting had changed when i got in the car, outside everything was overly bright and there were no shadows, inside the car it was darker and was more like what you would see normaly). i began to think about the 2012 senario and that the date was wrong it would happen sooner or later.
the next part i remember the clearest.
i thought "ethier way it'll happen when you least expect it"
as soon as i thought it there was a flash of light (the only way i can explain the sensation in more detail is that i was 'hit' with it) and there was a woman ontop of me. she smiled, placed her hand on my chest (i physicly felt her hand on my chest) and she lent down and wispered something. i can't remember what she said and the next thing i remember was waking up (i woke up on my side, i don't know if that matters).

i knew the woman, or at least she was familar. she's not a person that i know in reality or have even seen but i think she goes way back in my dreams. shes one of the things that i am unsure of as i don't know if i'm putting things together wrong.

this may seem like a stupid question but are you suposed to be able to feel physical contact in dreams?
its never ocoured to me to ask before

anyways sorry again if i'm being bothersome
thnx

Originally posted by RokNinja
Hey all

i thought it there was a flash of light (the only way i can explain the sensation in more detail is that i was 'hit' with it) and there was a woman ontop of me. she smiled, placed her hand on my chest (i physicly felt her hand on my chest) and she lent down and wispered something. i can't remember what she said and the next thing i remember was waking up (i woke up on my side, i don't know if that matters).

i knew the woman, or at least she was familar. she's not a person that i know in reality or have even seen but i think she goes way back in my dreams. shes one of the things that i am unsure of as i don't know if i'm putting things together wrong.

this may seem like a stupid question but are you suposed to be able to feel physical contact in dreams?
its never ocoured to me to ask before

anyways sorry again if i'm being bothersome
thnx

Never bothersome.........
We all are looking for order in the stew of life.

I was on a previous post talking about how I learned to interrupt the wakening dream like abduction experience. I am 50 and it took me years to come to the conclusion that I never felt any actual feelings during a normal dream. That maybe only my own experience but it proved a turning point for me.

I took direct action to bring myself to consciousness if it did happen.
A few times I became aware long enough for a alien to turn to say.
"Hey your sleeping!!!"

But my break threw in this dream substitution was all but the same as yours.
The actual feeling of pleasure was not a normal thing for me in a dream.
I woke to the same thing.
Under hypnosis that memory melted away to a surgical table.
Along with an embarrassing medical device.

Don't beat yourself up about it.
Should we belive the lie that we remember?
The lie that we awoke to?
Or the later truth that we understand with prospective?
Dose it matter anyway in the skeem of things.

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Well I have been preoccupied getting back too work for the last few weeks.
I have not been active sorry.
I have been watching from the sidelines although.

There is much going on in Mexico.

A very cool "Giant gypsum crystal cavern.
See it on U tube & National Geographic.

BUT Oh WOW !!!

2 knocked me out of my chair.

#1 - Caught on film attempted abduction of a child in Mexico.
The abduction did not surprise me.
The lasting measurable effects did.

#2 - Orbs captured on film that emitted mutable ORB's
as they were being filmed.

I think we could talk about the implications of these events.

Are these events leading anywhere?

Are these events just so blatant

That in effect they just don't care anymore if we know or not?

Or has our tech advances enabled us to have arrived at the point.
That we now have the goods, not just the stories.

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I have not just been watching the wheels turn.
I & Geo1066 have been looking into something that is starting to pan out.

I hoped to have a working model to roll out for a major UFO get together in the USA before the end of the year.

Tonight my wife & I were speaking about the applications that Geo & I have been focusing on for the last few weeks.

She has not been involved at all with it up to this point.
I may have been too close to what I wanted to see coming out of this.
She effortlessly threw out another tie in I had not vaguely put together.
If her input proves true.
Implications might go international.

The process Geo & I have have been speaking about.
May have been used thousands of years ago.
The proof will be under our feet.
We will just have to lift the hood & look.

Looking forward to hearing from everyone again.
Special codo's to Yummyfree lunch for some great posts of late.

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Interesting thread, my experiences are quite different so I'm afraid it would be inappropriate for me to participate.

[edit on 11-7-2009 by Dragonfly79]

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
my experiences are quite different so I'm afraid it would be inappropriate for me to participate.

DragonFly.

Before "I came out" so to say.
I had only bits & pieces of my experiences.
They were not in relation to a contiunuious timeline.
Believe me it was nuts.

I was looking for answers under every rock.
Beleive me there are many rocks.
Many proved positive.
Many that I wished that I left unturned.
My life was like I was placed on a slide that I could not control.

Many of us have gained with time.
A prospective.

What I mean to say
If you had asked me when I first started being allowed to recall events.
I would have given you an answer from my prospective then.
My answers would be very different now.
Time & experience has changed my prospective.

I have developed at gut reaction to events.
This has let me control physical interaction during abduction experiences.
Not always.
But sometimes.

I went down the bunny hole.
I am some what threw it now.
I still am looking for my answers but ---

If I can cut a path.
If I can knock down a few obstacles.
If I can prevent you from tripping over things that I tripped over.

Then maybe

Maybe my & my families pains have not been for naught....

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